EPT[News] MBCGame: "Gretech is asking for too much" - Page 9
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robertdinh
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On August 12 2010 18:30 newvsoldschool wrote: He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA? How are they doing that? Apart from saying they want to do that, everything they have done is in opposite to globalizing eSports. Just because GomTV might have foreign commentary that isn't globalizing eSports considering the qualifiers are in Korea only. What have they actually done that's a positive thing for global eSports? It just seems to me to be obstacle after obstacle and even going as far as disrupting the BW scene. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 12 2010 12:05 wiesel wrote: pfftff. BW without korean screamings? blasphemy.. But yea a lots of the new people who just found out about sc in '08 enjoyed the english commentary. Haha yeah I guess I fall into that category. I got into the scene around 6 months before the first season... when I didn't know much at all about hte game. I also just liked how many friggin' games were played for it, and just how they were overall set up. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 12 2010 18:30 newvsoldschool wrote: He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA? Where has Blizzard been for the last decade? What is Blizzard doing for BW now? -_- | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 13 2010 04:37 Mindcrime wrote: Where has Blizzard been for the last decade? What is Blizzard doing for BW now? -_- but do you still think that Blizzard can't globalize e-sports? | ||
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Zeridian
United States198 Posts
Companies are made for explicit means of making money. Corporations exist to satisfy the interests of shareholders. If neither existed for profits they would be the government, which produces 0 and takes your money. "everyone is bad" nice solution to everything guys. Good job being constructive onlookers. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 13 2010 04:46 AyJay wrote: but do you still think that Blizzard can't globalize e-sports? It doesn't matter, because they're not. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 13 2010 04:46 AyJay wrote: but do you still think that Blizzard can't globalize e-sports? Can't? Blizzard/Activision theoretically could finance a new space program with their funding.. that doesn't mean that they will. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 13 2010 05:45 moopie wrote: Can't? Blizzard/Activision theoretically could finance a new space program with their funding.. that doesn't mean that they will. Why not? | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
Cause for the 10th time (at least) in this thread, its not in their best interest. Planning tournaments takes a lot of time, effort and money. They are not looking to support a pro scene for a decade. They are going to try to throw money at it for a year or two, get the sales that the hype generates, and move on, as they always have. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9566 Posts
Dear God.... why don't you please just stay away from Broodwar forum? | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 13 2010 05:52 moopie wrote: Cause for the 10th time (at least) in this thread, its not in their best interest. Planning tournaments takes a lot of time, effort and money. They are not looking to support a pro scene for a decade. They are going to try to throw money at it for a year or two, get the sales that the hype generates, and move on, as they always have. Does it explain why Blizzard had thrown money in 2007 for GomTV? | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 13 2010 06:24 AyJay wrote: Does it explain why Blizzard had thrown money in 2007 for GomTV? Yes, so they could try to capitalize on the Korean market, which they were shut out from (and had absolutely nothing to do with as far as its growth). Korea developed BW into an e-sport on their own, without any support from Blizzard. Blizzard never envisioned it would be a professional e-sport when they released it, I don't think anyone did. But Korea suceceded, got teams set up, sponsors, regular leagues and made BW huge. Blizzard decided they wanted a piece of that cake and tried to strong-arm KeSPA. KeSPA told them to piss off with their demands. Blizzard then tried to get in through GOM, and failed miserably. Now they are threatning to kill all of BW, all to make a buck. Also, as far as I remember, Blizzard didn't really step in until 3rd season of GOM Classic (which was 2009). | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 13 2010 06:28 moopie wrote: Yes, so they could try to capitalize on the Korean market, which they were shut out from (and had absolutely nothing to do with as far as its growth). Korea developed BW into an e-sport on their own, without any support from Blizzard. Blizzard never envisioned it would be a professional e-sport when they released it, I don't think anyone did. But Korea suceceded, got teams set up, sponsors, regular leagues and made BW huge. Blizzard decided they wanted a piece of that cake and tried to strong-arm KeSPA. KeSPA told them to piss off with their demands. Blizzard then tried to get in through GOM, and failed miserably. Now they are threatning to kill all of BW, all to make a buck. To take control of whole e-sports in Korea and abandon it in 2 years sounds like no brainer to me. They are not threatening to kill Bw. They want chunk of a pie. I don't see how that is killing BW and how killing BW will make them buck. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 13 2010 06:34 AyJay wrote: To take control of whole e-sports in Korea and abandon it in 2 years sounds like no brainer to me. They are not threatening to kill Bw. They want chunk of a pie. I don't see how that is killing BW and how killing BW will make them buck. lol... this is going nowhere. I suggest you start reading up some, I'm done here. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 11 2010 04:15 AyJay wrote: THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS IN BUSINESS For the last fucking time. Every company wants some dollah and each has it's own way of achieving it: Blizzard making good games, Activision having Bobby Kodick and EA releasing tons of shitty products. While this is kind of true, there's a big difference between say, Activision and Valve. Activision over charges, doesn't listen to their fanbase, and pumps out games to create franchises causing the original game to become absolutely ruined. Valve, continually releases new IPs, updates their games for free, releases free expansions on PC, releases free games (see: Alien Swarm), and takes their time (usually) making new games which prevents the horrible staleness that Activision has created with franchises like Call of Duty or Guitar Hero. Sure, even companies like Valve have their faults and do things that are clearly for profit and not for their fan base, but there are obviously some companies who care more about profit than others. Can you honestly tell me that while MBC and Activision/Blizzard are both looking to make money that Activision/Blizzard are in the right in this situation? Why don't they just allow MBC to continue and make royalties off it? They're already making money for doing absolutely nothing extra and that's not even counting the people who will buy Brood War and SC2 after watching the MSL or other broadcasts. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
You will need a vague argument to change my opinion. E-sports have such big potential for Blizzard it just seems fucking retarded for them to ignore it. No way. On August 13 2010 06:39 TeWy wrote: It's funny, no one knows the MBC turnover nor has any idea about how much money Gretech is asking, but most of the people are still going to take sides for one camp, no matter how clueless they are about the whole issue. Also this. I remember threads few months ago: * Blizzard isn't negotiating with Kespa Teamliquid: FUck yeah, die Kespa * Kespa says Blizzard asked too much/wasn't enough negotiation Teamliquid: Fuck Blizzard, go Kespa * Mike Morhaime writes letter for fans in Korea Teamliquid: Fuck yeah, die Kespa * GomTV and Blizzard contract Teamliquid: Die Blizzard, we neeed Kespa Stick to what you think, not what other companies or people tell you. There also have been discussions how SC2 would fail as an e-sport since 2007 and I won't believe it until it actually does :D | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
AyJay, I love how you try to lump TL as a single entity for its opinions to try to twist an argument that isn't there to make, kudos. Most people haven't flipped sides so many times on the issue (if at all). If you honestly believe that Blizzard wants to help esports grow worldwide, how come they haven't tried to replicate Korea's achievements elsewhere instead of trying to take over their progress? because its not worth the investment for them. To make an esport in another nation, you need players (and they need contracts so they don't bail after a week), you need sponsors for the teams, you need arrangements with TV stations so that you can guarantee constant air time for your leagues, and most of all, you need big sponsors to shell out a lot of money to fund your leagues. Now if any of these factors fail, you're out a ton of startup cash, months of intense effort and worse a lot of PR lost from the flop. Blizzard's idea of a worldwide e-sport is a ladder on battlenet and some air time on a fake TV station like GOMTV, and even that is thanks to what Korea did for BW, otherwise BW would have ended up like WC3. However, since Korea already developed their market, if Blizzard comes in with its lawyers and C&Ds and makes its demands, they stand to lose nothing. They either grab profits for work they don't need to do, or kill off a scene they have no stake in. From a fiscal risk vs reward perspective, its worth it, so they will go for it regardless of how many fans/players could get hurt. You just keep waiting patiently for Blizzard to swoop to save the day and develop proleagues and starleagues in the US and Europe, should happen any day now... any day... | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On August 13 2010 06:24 AyJay wrote: Does it explain why Blizzard had thrown money in 2007 for GomTV? you are either gullible or trolling either way .. they throw money because SC2 is doing poor .. they want another 6 million copies in korea alone like what happened to BW .. you guys talk about blizzard taking over esport when they clearly dont give a damn about it .. they are boasting b.net2 to enhance the "gaming experience" but it ultimately separated the world from each other .. but wait! you can connect with them! BUY ANOTHER COPY NOW! esport my ass .. | ||
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