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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Well be it an English speaking country of course. | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
And as for being #1 ... at the most, players are currently making something like $250K a year. And like LosingID8 said, it's not exactly an easy life - plus you don't get to make this money FOREVER, just as long as you are good. Jaedong is clearly extremely intelligent, disciplined, and hard-working. If he gets a good education in the right area, he can easily make that kind of money EVERY YEAR for the rest of his life. I would rather develop a skill which will make it possible for me to make $100K a year for the next 25-50 years than one in which I can make $250K for 4 years and then who knows what (if e-sports collapses, what is his fame worth??). As great as it might sound to be a progamer, I don't think it's worth it at all - I know this isn't true for everyone, but as an example, those fortunate enough to be well-educated in the USA can spend half the time progamers spend honing a more generic craft in college these days and expect to make six figures. Some of my friends are software engineers at companies like Google and make nearly 6 figures right out of college, and will make progressively more each year. Other friends of mine work at hedge funds, make 6 figures right off the bat, and have a decent likelihood of making 7 figures one day. This is just two of many examples, but what's shared is that they work 8-10 hour days (and only FIVE days a week unlike in progaming) doing something they really enjoy and with 1/1000th the pressure of what JD goes through. Even a crappy job like investment banking only involves two years of insane hours, only again it pays off for a long long time. Of course my examples involve a specialized skill set, but I'd be willing to bet almost anything that somebody who's accomplished what Jaedong has is fully capable of developing these skills. Anyway, my point is that I obviously hope JD keeps playing for a long time, but e-sports needs to step up and figure out how to become a legitimate business. What SC in Korea is right now is nowhere near good enough. I'm not asking for MLB/NBA/NFL style here, but there needs to be something here. I hope for the sake of e-sports that somebody steps up to the plate and offers JD the $300-500K that he deserves. But it probably won't happen, and you know who else is to blame here? Undoubtedly Kespa, or whoever made up these stupid rules that make it prohibitively expensive to buy another player. If JD actually quits (again I find this to be highly unlikely but still), this is a HUGE blow to the legitimacy of progaming as a career. | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:57 darktreb wrote: I would rather develop a skill which will make it possible for me to make $100K a year for the next 25-50 years than one in which I can make $250K for 4 years and then who knows what (if e-sports collapses, what is his fame worth??). I would rather make 250k$ for 4 years then be a wage slave for 25-50 years. Money are vastly overrated beyond point when you can buy good food internet, and other things that actually gives you something. You will work 25-50 years making good money, and without even time to use things that you had brought. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On August 24 2009 18:04 Polis wrote: I would rather make 250k$ for 4 years then be a wage slave for 25-50 years. Money are vastly overrated beyond point when you can buy good food internet, and other things that actually gives you something. You will work 25-50 years making good money, and without even time to use things that you had brought. That's great - you're entitled to your opinion. But most people don't have the goal of saving just enough money to get by for the rest of their lives - it's not like Jaedong is planning to NOT work either. He's going to be doing something, so why not start developing skills for it now instead of playing catch up later. Calling it a "wage slave" is also grossly misleading and borderline stupid. You say it as if it's not possible for people to enjoy their jobs - the only appropriate reference to slaves here is the progamers themselves. Not to mention $250K over 4 years or $100K over 10 is but a 6 year difference (give or take some other details of course), only in the 250 case if you decide you want more money you might be screwed, whereas in the 100 case you have much more flexibility. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On August 24 2009 17:14 chongu wrote: Wow, they're probably underestimating their son there. they need to either watch more starcraft, look at some stats or read fanboy articles here at TL Asians are supposed to be humble and talk about how their son/daughter is useless. You guys don't understand. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On August 24 2009 18:11 Aus)MaCrO wrote: Lol saying your son is useless is pretty mean IMO. Nothing wrong with being humble, but that is too much. It's just a culture difference - many Asians also see perfectly reasonable statements like "my son is good at [something]" to be incredibly arrogant and disrespectful. And who knows, they could be telling the truth 100%. After all, they just saw him lose 0-3 in PL finals and 1-3 in his best matchup in MSL. Beating Fantasy eases the pain but doesn't erase those memories. | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On August 24 2009 18:09 darktreb wrote:That's great - you're entitled to your opinion. But most people don't have the goal of saving just enough money to get by for the rest of their lives - it's not like Jaedong is planning to NOT work either. He's going to be doing something, so why not start developing skills for it now instead of playing catch up later. I don't know what JD wants long term, he said that he wanted to stay in programing in his last interview, also it is well possible to study in late 20s, the same can't be said about backing to programing. Calling it a "wage slave" is also grossly misleading and borderline stupid. You say it as if it's not possible for people to enjoy their jobs - the only appropriate reference to slaves here is the progamers themselves. You can do things you like without it being your job, actually that makes it much easier to like them and there can alweys be some part that you will likely not like in job. You are slave becouse you loose choice/freedom you must do it, even if your interest will be lost. He likes to be a programer now, and he can quit anytime he want now and in near future, and start diferent carrier or stop working, he would cut his option if he would go to the University now not the other way around. Somebody may be fine with being a wage slave, there is nothing misleading about it you are slave to having to make your wage. Not to mention $250K over 4 years or $100K over 10 is but a 6 year difference (give or take some other details of course) Some details like at least 4 years of studying? You have 4 years vs 14 already. Wast majority of people don't like they jobs, or at least would rather do something else in that time, and wast majority of people that 100k$+/years work allot. Your post are just examples of wishful thinking that goes against data that we have. If you have something that you really like to do like programing, and there will not be allot of things that you dislike in job that can be true but for wast wast majority of people that is just a wishful thinking that end with disappointment. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Kage
India788 Posts
Parents don't talk you down just cause you are Asian, whoever said that prolly was joking (else retarded). They are far more "humble" than the Euro/US counter parts, but then again it's the culture, you don't see Phelps' mom screaming out her son's the shit. Secondly it might be a whole build up media thing about this and get Oz some more publicity after losing their league and now that JD's got the golden mouse they can finally get some cash from their sponsors. The army's going to take him down anyway unless he gets out of the country and comes back after the enlisting age or whatever, that way he can kick ass in sc2 or who knows even be awesome in some other game while studying at the univ abroad. I'm pretty sure he'll win every tournament abroad with half the practice he puts in now added to an education on the side. (I'm just mulling over this..) | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On August 24 2009 18:20 Polis wrote: Somebody may be fine with being a wage slave, there is nothing misleading about it you are slave to having to make your wage. So basically as long as you have a job, you're a "wage slave"? I just find it extremely annoying when people look at things like having a regular job to be "enslaving". It's an extremist way to look at it, which makes it misleading, in my opinion. You can quit jobs that aren't progaming too you know. On August 24 2009 18:20 Polis wrote: Some details like at least 4 years of studying? You have 4 years vs 14 already. Okok can we stop wasting time on the numerical details? Especially when the numbers $250K and $100K were almost completely arbitrary in the first place. So now we've got even more arbitrary numbers, such as 4 years of progaming (a stretch perhaps), $250K salary, 4 years for school (it often takes more or less depending on what you're doing), and $100K for a random job (the most arbitrary number of all). I mean, if that $100K is actually $80K it's a huge difference, similarly in the other direction, so why are we talking about exact years here? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On August 24 2009 18:09 T.O.P. wrote: Asians are supposed to be humble and talk about how their son/daughter is useless. You guys don't understand. No wtf. They always want to show off that their son/daughter is going to good schools and doing well whenever the hell they could. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
Jaedong stands to make a lot more money right now from progaming than he would most likely make with a computer science degree. Correct me if I'm wrong but even 115,000 dollars is a great salary for most people with a computer science degree. Now is obviously not a good time for retirement in my opinion. There is no way Jaedong would retire right now. It would almost be like throwing money away. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
His parents are wise for trying to show him that he has this alternative aswell. | ||
Waxangel
United States33502 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On August 24 2009 18:29 darktreb wrote: just find it extremely annoying when people look at things like having a regular job to be "enslaving". It's an extremist way to look at it, which makes it misleading, in my opinion. You can quit jobs that aren't progaming too you know. Yes but then you have to find a diferent job. You slave to the having to make a wage not to the specific job. I had never said that it is as bad as being a slave to some other person, (and that would also differ significantly depend on that person). Okok can we stop wasting time on the numerical details? Especially when the numbers $250K and $100K were almost completely arbitrary in the first place. So now we've got even more arbitrary numbers, such as 4 years of progaming (a stretch perhaps), $250K salary, 4 years for school (it often takes more or less depending on what you're doing), and $100K for a random job (the most arbitrary number of all). I mean, if that $100K is actually $80K it's a huge difference, similarly in the other direction, so why are we talking about exact years here? Well when you estimate it you end up with significant differences, the thing is that he knows on how it is to be a progamer, and he wants to be one now, how is choosing something that he have no idea on how content he would be about (study/job) sensible at all? He can study in late 20s if he choose so. Leaving his carrier now based on wishful thinking that he find good job that he will enjoy is irrational becouse he does not loose that possibility later in life if he stay in progaming. | ||
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