EPTOn August 25 2009 17:04 Waxangel wrote:
2~3 hours till deadline
2~3 hours till deadline
can't wait
when will news come out, will it be out by the time masters is finished today?
[News] Jaedong's dad says retirement is an option - Page 12
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
can't wait when will news come out, will it be out by the time masters is finished today? | ||
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TheRecliner
Sweden103 Posts
Whats with the $100k nonsense... What makes you think he will earn that in Korea or earn it period. He may as well end up in a cubicle for the rest of his fuckin life. Thats right. The people in cubicles were "smart kids" too. Not everyone has a career, and to idly say you will automatically earn this money is ignorant. Jaedong doesnt live in the States, possibly has no interest in living in the states so why are you talking about what you can make over there? What does a KOREAN programmer make? Thats far more relevant than your $100k guarantees. What you dont realise is that theres NO synergy between having been a good gamer and a programmer. He wouldnt just be changing jobs - its a complete swap of careers. He cant draw upon his game skills to be a better programmer, and he cant draw upon his fame in this career. If you think he'd be some kind of awesome game developer because of it - no. Being able to play a game well doesnt mean you can make better games than anyone else. Programming games is low on the luxury food chain and good luck getting your magical $100k out of the blue programming games, and forget vacations. The only effect of it all is that he would completely throw away what hes accomplished in Starcraft, and that is something that actually matters in S. Korea. Being the best SC player has value in Korea - its something he can build on. Unless hes unhappy being a pro-gamer, he should see it to the end. After that he can change jobs. If e-sports is still his passion, he should find another job within e-sports. To change career into something you dont care about to chase a wage would be nothing short of stupid if you are well aware what your passion is, and if you have a foot in the door in that field. Or... he could get a job as something he doesnt really care about, knowing what he'd really want to do, hate his boss, hate his job and be like most people out there. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
then comeback at SC2. or coaching some crap. life is not the end for JD. As for Oz should really give him his fucking option. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On August 25 2009 17:44 TheRecliner wrote: What you dont realise is that theres NO synergy between having been a good gamer and a programmer. He wouldnt just be changing jobs - its a complete swap of careers. He cant draw upon his game skills to be a better programmer, and he cant draw upon his fame in this career. If you think he'd be some kind of awesome game developer because of it - no. Being able to play a game well doesnt mean you can make better games than anyone else. Programming games is low on the luxury food chain and good luck getting your magical $100k out of the blue programming games, and forget vacations. So false, I don't even know where to begin, but whatever. There's synergy between being good at things, period. For instance, top hedge funds like to hire kids who did math or programming contests, even if they never took an economics course in their entire life and don't know a thing about econ. An extension of that is that there's absolutely no question in mind Jaedong would be great at a top quantitative hedge fund, where he'd literally be making over a million dollars a year after three to five years. Those of you who are saying "he might be in a cubicle" are selling him so short it's ridiculous. People who are talented, disciplined, and driven will always find a way to be successful almost no matter what they do. Obviously there are limits - I'm not saying Jaedong could play in the NBA or something. | ||
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TheRecliner
Sweden103 Posts
On August 25 2009 17:56 darktreb wrote: So false, I don't even know where to begin, but whatever. There's synergy between being good at things, period. Theres no synergy between being good at two arbitrary things. You could be a fantastic guitar player but be a bad cook. Two different fields, just as playing a game which involves intense eye/hand coordination, multitasking versus something requiring math, problem abstraction. Ofc Jaedong could be multitalented, but Im not assuming it. All I know is hes good at Starcraft. Edit: Your top hedge fund example requires being a top mathematician or programmer then being trained within a top hedge fund. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On August 25 2009 18:17 TheRecliner wrote: Theres no synergy between being good at two arbitrary things. You could be a fantastic guitar player but be a bad cook. Two different fields, just as playing a game which involves intense eye/hand coordination, multitasking versus something requiring math, problem abstraction. Ofc Jaedong could be multitalented, but Im not assuming it. All I know is hes good at Starcraft. Edit: Your top hedge fund example requires being a top mathematician or programmer then being trained within a top hedge fund. Smart people are often good at improving at things in general. They're good at evaluating their own weaknesses, and they're good at making connections between things, both of which are extremely valuable in almost all places. I'm not saying all fields are equally distinct or similar, but there are usually more similarities between seemingly different fields than meets the eye. A fantastic guitar player could just be extremely naturally good at guitar, in which case he/she might be a terrible chef. But in most cases, if a great guitar player had a desire to be a very good chef, they could probably do it by applying many of the same concepts of identifying your mistakes and weaknesses and working on them. On the other hand, I can definitely see how it might be harder for a great chef to become a very good guitar player, though again not impossible. A lot of times the missing ingredient is not skill, but rather passion. But the thing with SC is, while people can definitely have innate talent for it (see Flash?), it definitely is not the kind of thing where skill alone can carry you. In fact, it's been demonstrated time and time again than discipline, work ethic, and intelligence/innovation are what play a gigantic role in SC, once you get past the physical mechanics that are more innate. Thus, I liken the "conversion" from being good at SC to being good at a more "standard job" to more like stud guitar player -> chef than the other way around. Note that I'm not saying Jaedong can become the BEST at anything he wants to. But here's the thing - while you have to basically be the best SC player to make $250K a year, you simply have to be pretty good at a lot of other fields to make a comparable amount of money, especially over a long period of time (jury's still out on the sustainability of progaming skills converting to salary). Money isn't the only thing matters, but when you factor in general education, amount of time spent working, stress, and the time to enjoy the finer things in life ... it starts to add up. | ||
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On August 25 2009 17:04 Waxangel wrote: 2~3 hours till deadline This means news should come any minute now. | ||
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stone13
Korea (South)7 Posts
Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=98734&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd= From Fomos; there has been no offer at all for the greatest overmind Jaedong Lee It has been revealed that there has been no offer from 10 progamer teams to recruit Jaedong Lee, who is the biggest star for sale in the market. /// From here is my own opinion. I think that there has been conspiracy among the teams behind the scene. I was literally stunned for a while when I saw this article, and it seems that things will fall on Jaedong’s hands again. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
On August 25 2009 20:28 stone13 wrote: Quick translated result of FA for Jaedong Lee Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=98734&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd= From Fomos; there has been no offer at all for the greatest overmind Jaedong Lee It has been revealed that there has been no offer from 10 progamer teams to recruit Jaedong Lee, who is the biggest star for sale in the market. /// From here is my own opinion. I think that there has been conspiracy among the teams behind the scene. I was literally stunned for a while when I saw this article, and it seems that things will fall on Jaedong’s hands again. well, i guess oz screwed jd and his parents, kespa is cackling in the corner, jd doesn't really care, oz managers are jumping for joy whilst counting their cash, and his parents are hella pissed off... gg | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
FUCK U KESPA FUCK U OZ I just hope that he retires and goes to the uni, I dont want to see Kespa and Oz winning. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
On August 25 2009 17:04 Waxangel wrote: 2~3 hours till deadline omgggggggg So exciting, this will have a pretty big impact on the E-sports scene and if he/his parents "win" it might just set a precedent. Looks like they will lose though, I hope Jaedong parents don't force him to retire. Someone mentioned stigma about studying age in Korea. it's very complicated if he spends 2 years more progaming and then has to make sacrifices because of his age difference to regular students later on. Yes I am awake right now.  edit: and yes this "free agent" system is designed to limit freedom. They are making the player purchase completely improbable, they know teams don't have 400 million won sitting around to buyout top players. edit2: holyfuck at all of the comments in that link, people are like "????????" and "-_-"-ing | ||
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citi.zen
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On August 25 2009 20:35 FranzF1 wrote: FUCK THAT FUCK U KESPA FUCK U OZ I just hope that he retires and goes to the uni, I dont want to see Kespa and Oz winning. jeeze. I would rather see the best player ever keep playing and enjoy his play rather than delight in his misery and stick it to the man. | ||
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stone13
Korea (South)7 Posts
Also like to say congratulations to Kespa, since in the future, there will be no players at all want to pronounce FA. Now front managers of the teams will also be happy since they keep the players with slavery contracts and promote their disgraceful names to the ignorant public. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
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