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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
August 25 2009 08:20 GMT
#221
On August 25 2009 17:04 Waxangel wrote:
2~3 hours till deadline


can't wait

when will news come out, will it be out by the time masters is finished today?
TheRecliner
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden103 Posts
August 25 2009 08:44 GMT
#222
First off... you are talking about the best player in SC, not a B-teamer that has little or no chance of making the A-team. To say he should retire because "Oh, he can make this and that" in other fields of work is speculative and useless at best. He can make alot of money NOW, and its not a "what if"-scenario. It's fact. He's a celebrity in Korea due to his SC success, and that has value. Another fact.

Whats with the $100k nonsense... What makes you think he will earn that in Korea or earn it period. He may as well end up in a cubicle for the rest of his fuckin life. Thats right. The people in cubicles were "smart kids" too. Not everyone has a career, and to idly say you will automatically earn this money is ignorant. Jaedong doesnt live in the States, possibly has no interest in living in the states so why are you talking about what you can make over there? What does a KOREAN programmer make? Thats far more relevant than your $100k guarantees.

What you dont realise is that theres NO synergy between having been a good gamer and a programmer. He wouldnt just be changing jobs - its a complete swap of careers. He cant draw upon his game skills to be a better programmer, and he cant draw upon his fame in this career. If you think he'd be some kind of awesome game developer because of it - no. Being able to play a game well doesnt mean you can make better games than anyone else. Programming games is low on the luxury food chain and good luck getting your magical $100k out of the blue programming games, and forget vacations.

The only effect of it all is that he would completely throw away what hes accomplished in Starcraft, and that is something that actually matters in S. Korea. Being the best SC player has value in Korea - its something he can build on. Unless hes unhappy being a pro-gamer, he should see it to the end. After that he can change jobs. If e-sports is still his passion, he should find another job within e-sports. To change career into something you dont care about to chase a wage would be nothing short of stupid if you are well aware what your passion is, and if you have a foot in the door in that field.

Or... he could get a job as something he doesnt really care about, knowing what he'd really want to do, hate his boss, hate his job and be like most people out there.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
August 25 2009 08:55 GMT
#223
hes going to chillax, do some college, military, etc.
then comeback at SC2. or coaching some crap.

life is not the end for JD.
As for Oz should really give him his fucking option.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
August 25 2009 08:56 GMT
#224
On August 25 2009 17:44 TheRecliner wrote:
What you dont realise is that theres NO synergy between having been a good gamer and a programmer. He wouldnt just be changing jobs - its a complete swap of careers. He cant draw upon his game skills to be a better programmer, and he cant draw upon his fame in this career. If you think he'd be some kind of awesome game developer because of it - no. Being able to play a game well doesnt mean you can make better games than anyone else. Programming games is low on the luxury food chain and good luck getting your magical $100k out of the blue programming games, and forget vacations.


So false, I don't even know where to begin, but whatever. There's synergy between being good at things, period. For instance, top hedge funds like to hire kids who did math or programming contests, even if they never took an economics course in their entire life and don't know a thing about econ. An extension of that is that there's absolutely no question in mind Jaedong would be great at a top quantitative hedge fund, where he'd literally be making over a million dollars a year after three to five years.

Those of you who are saying "he might be in a cubicle" are selling him so short it's ridiculous. People who are talented, disciplined, and driven will always find a way to be successful almost no matter what they do. Obviously there are limits - I'm not saying Jaedong could play in the NBA or something.
TheRecliner
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden103 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-25 09:19:08
August 25 2009 09:17 GMT
#225
On August 25 2009 17:56 darktreb wrote:
So false, I don't even know where to begin, but whatever. There's synergy between being good at things, period.

Theres no synergy between being good at two arbitrary things. You could be a fantastic guitar player but be a bad cook. Two different fields, just as playing a game which involves intense eye/hand coordination, multitasking versus something requiring math, problem abstraction.

Ofc Jaedong could be multitalented, but Im not assuming it. All I know is hes good at Starcraft.

Edit: Your top hedge fund example requires being a top mathematician or programmer then being trained within a top hedge fund.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-25 09:34:08
August 25 2009 09:31 GMT
#226
On August 25 2009 18:17 TheRecliner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2009 17:56 darktreb wrote:
So false, I don't even know where to begin, but whatever. There's synergy between being good at things, period.

Theres no synergy between being good at two arbitrary things. You could be a fantastic guitar player but be a bad cook. Two different fields, just as playing a game which involves intense eye/hand coordination, multitasking versus something requiring math, problem abstraction.

Ofc Jaedong could be multitalented, but Im not assuming it. All I know is hes good at Starcraft.

Edit: Your top hedge fund example requires being a top mathematician or programmer then being trained within a top hedge fund.


Smart people are often good at improving at things in general. They're good at evaluating their own weaknesses, and they're good at making connections between things, both of which are extremely valuable in almost all places. I'm not saying all fields are equally distinct or similar, but there are usually more similarities between seemingly different fields than meets the eye.

A fantastic guitar player could just be extremely naturally good at guitar, in which case he/she might be a terrible chef. But in most cases, if a great guitar player had a desire to be a very good chef, they could probably do it by applying many of the same concepts of identifying your mistakes and weaknesses and working on them. On the other hand, I can definitely see how it might be harder for a great chef to become a very good guitar player, though again not impossible. A lot of times the missing ingredient is not skill, but rather passion.

But the thing with SC is, while people can definitely have innate talent for it (see Flash?), it definitely is not the kind of thing where skill alone can carry you. In fact, it's been demonstrated time and time again than discipline, work ethic, and intelligence/innovation are what play a gigantic role in SC, once you get past the physical mechanics that are more innate. Thus, I liken the "conversion" from being good at SC to being good at a more "standard job" to more like stud guitar player -> chef than the other way around.

Note that I'm not saying Jaedong can become the BEST at anything he wants to. But here's the thing - while you have to basically be the best SC player to make $250K a year, you simply have to be pretty good at a lot of other fields to make a comparable amount of money, especially over a long period of time (jury's still out on the sustainability of progaming skills converting to salary). Money isn't the only thing matters, but when you factor in general education, amount of time spent working, stress, and the time to enjoy the finer things in life ... it starts to add up.
HanN00b
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany1441 Posts
August 25 2009 11:18 GMT
#227
Hopefully those koreans realize that 14 hour training isnt they way to go. It isnt even effective since players wont learn much after like 5-7 hours training just like in any other sports.
Team name: Borussia Dortmunds Star(craft) Team (10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain) (7) (P)JangBi (2) (T)Bogus (2) (Z)sAviOr (2) (P)BackHo (0) (Z)YellOw (7) Lecaf Oz
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 25 2009 11:24 GMT
#228
On August 25 2009 17:04 Waxangel wrote:
2~3 hours till deadline


This means news should come any minute now.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
stone13
Profile Joined August 2009
Korea (South)7 Posts
August 25 2009 11:28 GMT
#229
Quick translated result of FA for Jaedong Lee


Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=98734&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=


From Fomos; there has been no offer at all for the greatest overmind Jaedong Lee

It has been revealed that there has been no offer from 10 progamer teams to recruit Jaedong Lee, who is the biggest star for sale in the market.

///
From here is my own opinion.

I think that there has been conspiracy among the teams behind the scene. I was literally stunned for a while when I saw this article, and it seems that things will fall on Jaedong’s hands again.
ng in sarang
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
August 25 2009 11:34 GMT
#230
On August 25 2009 20:28 stone13 wrote:
Quick translated result of FA for Jaedong Lee


Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=98734&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=


From Fomos; there has been no offer at all for the greatest overmind Jaedong Lee

It has been revealed that there has been no offer from 10 progamer teams to recruit Jaedong Lee, who is the biggest star for sale in the market.

///
From here is my own opinion.

I think that there has been conspiracy among the teams behind the scene. I was literally stunned for a while when I saw this article, and it seems that things will fall on Jaedong’s hands again.


well, i guess oz screwed jd and his parents, kespa is cackling in the corner, jd doesn't really care, oz managers are jumping for joy whilst counting their cash, and his parents are hella pissed off... gg
| MLIA | the weather sucks dick here
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
August 25 2009 11:35 GMT
#231
Seeing as how it would have cost a team something like 600 million (need to pay 2X to Oz) because of the ridiculous rules, this really isn't surprising.
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
August 25 2009 11:35 GMT
#232
FUCK THAT
FUCK U KESPA FUCK U OZ

I just hope that he retires and goes to the uni, I dont want to see Kespa and Oz winning.
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 25 2009 11:47 GMT
#233
Thats lame
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-25 12:02:10
August 25 2009 11:54 GMT
#234
On August 25 2009 17:04 Waxangel wrote:
2~3 hours till deadline


omgggggggg

So exciting, this will have a pretty big impact on the E-sports scene and if he/his parents "win" it might just set a precedent.

Looks like they will lose though, I hope Jaedong parents don't force him to retire.

Someone mentioned stigma about studying age in Korea. it's very complicated if he spends 2 years more progaming and then has to make sacrifices because of his age difference to regular students later on.

Yes I am awake right now.


edit: and yes this "free agent" system is designed to limit freedom.

They are making the player purchase completely improbable, they know teams don't have 400 million won sitting around to buyout top players.

edit2: holyfuck at all of the comments in that link, people are like "????????" and "-_-"-ing
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 25 2009 12:31 GMT
#235
So sad... How can it be that no team is willing to pay $300k for the greatest player in the game? Is this a sign E-sports is doing quite poorly? Or collusion? Something else?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
August 25 2009 12:48 GMT
#236
On August 25 2009 20:35 FranzF1 wrote:
FUCK THAT
FUCK U KESPA FUCK U OZ

I just hope that he retires and goes to the uni, I dont want to see Kespa and Oz winning.

jeeze. I would rather see the best player ever keep playing and enjoy his play rather than delight in his misery and stick it to the man.
stone13
Profile Joined August 2009
Korea (South)7 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-25 12:55:48
August 25 2009 12:50 GMT
#237
ShaperofDreams// Some Korean netizens call it Free Auction, not Free Agent. Really sucks... isnt it.

Also like to say congratulations to Kespa, since in the future, there will be no players at all want
to pronounce FA. Now front managers of the teams will also be happy since they keep the players with slavery contracts and promote their disgraceful names to the ignorant public.
ng in sarang
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
August 25 2009 12:56 GMT
#238
Gee, that was unexpected. I guess this means Jaedong is going to retire. That must suck a lot: the greatest potential in the scene right now going away so young
perfecting the art of five pool forever
HanN00b
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany1441 Posts
August 25 2009 13:04 GMT
#239
Honestly I hope he retires and it will result in a big bang for progaming!
Team name: Borussia Dortmunds Star(craft) Team (10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain) (7) (P)JangBi (2) (T)Bogus (2) (Z)sAviOr (2) (P)BackHo (0) (Z)YellOw (7) Lecaf Oz
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 25 2009 13:05 GMT
#240
Well now I guess he can go back to Oz right? I mean no teams bid for him probably because either they think they will do fine with the zerg they already have or they can't afford him. Oz has already said they would uphold their offer if he doesn't get any. So I guess JD will get to stay with Oz in the end, now the only thing I hope is that maybe Coach Cho was able to convince their sponsors to dish out more cash, and that Coach Cho will spend more time propping up other players (as well as players training harder) so that JD won't have to carry the team entirely again.
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