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On August 25 2009 06:33 o[twist] wrote:
haha everyone hoping he comes to college with them
seriously, he could allkill most csl teams SIMULTANEOUSLY in a 1v4 
i really think that financially going to college would be the better option in the long run. a guy with his passion and work ethics can easily get a job that pays 100k a year, lets say 5-7 years after graduating. but he can perform this job for several decades then, whereas his career as an active top-progamer wont last for much more than 4-6 years from now on. and as people mentioned earlier, if he doesnt join college in time chances are high he wont get a good paying job. guys who graduate at the age of almost 30 virtually never get those 100k-jobs...
on the other hand payment as a progamer always comes lagged to success. he now is at the peak of his performance and success, which means that the next few years would be his biggest years income-wise. (as a progamer...)
if he retired now, he would throw away much of the to-be-expected payment that he built up during the past years. but then again, if he doesnt find another team or a way to force hwaseung to pay him more than those disgraceful 140k, he will miss this payday even if he stays a progamer. its a tough decision, but i personally think financially it would be the better choice to retire and go to college if and only if he indeed doesnt find a better paying contract than the 140k oz offered him.
oh man, these kespa rules are so goddamn retarded and rigged. if i were jaedong id be soooo fucking pissed XD"
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On August 25 2009 04:44 ReS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 15:52 Waxangel wrote:At the Bacchus OSL 2009 Final:
"After FA was declared, I avoided speaking to the media because I thought it might put pressure on Jaedong. I didn't expect a victory today, I was actually just hoping that he win even one game, so I didn't have any flowers prepared."
So this is saying he had no faith in his son winning the OSL or even one game? Is he crazy? After reading that (assuming it was translated and I interpreted it correctly) it just seems like his parents are fucking crazy wackos.
That quote could be interpreted a number of ways (e.g. he didn't expect a victory in the sense he didn't want to build up unnecessary pressure for Jaedong (which the quote heavily implies).
On August 25 2009 05:42 motbob wrote:
Who are you to say his mom and dad are being bad parents?
^Agree.
Seriously, what's with people calling Jaedong's parent's douchebags and whatnot. We all know that Jaedong is being grossly underpaid by Hwaseung, so how is it wrong that his parents want to negotiate a higher salary for him? For all the "my parents suck" blogs I've seen here and there on this site, people really don't seem to respect parents that are going out of their way to try and get their son better playing conditions and the money he deserves for his level of play.
As much as Jaedong's parents support him and his love for Starcraft, I'm sure they can't bear to watch himself kill himself with the obscene practice load, which is higher than most players of his caliber.
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On August 25 2009 05:37 starPride wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Jaedong is no ordinary person in any case. I have no doubt he has both the intelligence and perseverance to be successful in a lot of careers.
Not to mention he works way more than the standard 8-hour shift right now. Anyone can go to school and work in a career. 100k salarys aren't just ok SChool-College-100k salary. And hes not too young to make his own decisions. Parents shouldn't be making life choices for a 19 year old. This whole situation is absolutely fucking retarded. And i feel bad for jaedong is put into this situation. Being in this stress only hurts his training even more. Jaedong should do what he wants and what he loves. He shouldn't go to college and skip pro-gaming just cause you or his parents think in the longrun its the better choice. You shouldn't even be talking about what jaedong should do Cause as far as im concerned hes far more accomplished then anyone on TL.
That's just wrong. I think too many people here are making erroneous judgments based on Western culture. Asians prize education more than Westerners do.
You must live in the boondocks here in the U.S. if you think $100k salaries are hard to do. For somebody with Jaedon's work ethic, it's pretty common. With a computer science degree, he can easily hit that amount in 5 years or so, working closer to standard hours than his current hours.
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On August 25 2009 06:56 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 05:37 starPride wrote:On August 25 2009 05:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
Jaedong is no ordinary person in any case. I have no doubt he has both the intelligence and perseverance to be successful in a lot of careers.
Not to mention he works way more than the standard 8-hour shift right now. Anyone can go to school and work in a career. 100k salarys aren't just ok SChool-College-100k salary. And hes not too young to make his own decisions. Parents shouldn't be making life choices for a 19 year old. This whole situation is absolutely fucking retarded. And i feel bad for jaedong is put into this situation. Being in this stress only hurts his training even more. Jaedong should do what he wants and what he loves. He shouldn't go to college and skip pro-gaming just cause you or his parents think in the longrun its the better choice. You shouldn't even be talking about what jaedong should do Cause as far as im concerned hes far more accomplished then anyone on TL. That's just wrong. I think too many people here are making erroneous judgments based on Western culture. Asians prize education more than Westerners do. You must live in the boondocks here in the U.S. if you think $100k salaries are hard to do. For somebody with Jaedon's work ethic, it's pretty common. With a computer science degree, he can easily hit that amount in 5 years or so, working closer to standard hours than his current hours.
keep in mind exchange rates dont necessarily reflect the difference in cost of living, at least not exactly. the amount of won that makes 100k $ might have a much higher purchasing power in korea than it does in the USA.
see for example here:
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:dNGu0YuEEGAJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Korea korea purchasing power&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a
ie in ppp units the salaries of progamers are in fact 12.3% (945/841 -1) higher than the conversion into nominal $ would suggest. the salary proposed by oz would yield an equivalent (ppp) salary of almost 160k $ in the USA. now, theres quite some jobs where u can reach 100k, but 160k, within 5 years after graduating? and a guy like jd can plan on getting quite some of the special incentives included in his contract, which would put his ppp salary over the 200k $ bound easily. so even with this bad contract he would make more than most guys with a master´s degree 5 years after graduating.
as explained in my previous post, i personally think the "break-even point" between focusing on education and career in the corporate world on the one side and continuing his career as a progamer on the other side lies pretty much between 150k and 200k (nominal).
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why is everyone so obsessed with money? I think he's having a really good time playing starcraft with friends. He gets food, shelter and a decent amount of money already as it is. By the time he starts seeing starcraft as his job that's when ppl should worry about his payment etc, but until then I dont see why everyone is so upset T_T.
But yeah I understand that his parents hate to see him overworked but they have to realize jaedong chose the practice schedule himself, he's not forced by his coach, for example, to play more than everyone else.
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On August 25 2009 07:15 ZpuX wrote:
why is everyone so obsessed with money? I think he's having a really good time playing starcraft with friends. He gets food, shelter and a decent amount of money already as it is. By the time he starts seeing starcraft as his job that's when ppl should worry about his payment etc, but until then I dont see why everyone is so upset T_T.
But yeah I understand that his parents hate to see him overworked but they have to realize jaedong chose the practice schedule himself, he's not forced by his coach, for example, to play more than everyone else.
no, but to have high success in the individual leagues aswell as carrying his pl team pretty much on his shoulders alone cant come together unless he practices that much. and it doesnt matter how much of a good time he thinks he has, he is ruining his health (both physically and mentally) and he maybe doesnt even know what he´s missing. even if he changes to a team with a strong lineup, he would still be in the individual leagues and play at least 1 game during every pl match. often times he´d also be the ace.
his workload cant be reduced, but he can get a fair compensation for it. and by finding a stronger team the mental pressure could be reduced because the team is not entirely relying on him and him alone. call me arrogant, but i indeed do think that jd doesnt realize (yet) what he puts himself into in the long run by choosing this path.
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i think he should wait until he is not bonjwa anymore at least. it's true that $100k is not hard to get
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On August 25 2009 07:21 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 07:15 ZpuX wrote:
why is everyone so obsessed with money? I think he's having a really good time playing starcraft with friends. He gets food, shelter and a decent amount of money already as it is. By the time he starts seeing starcraft as his job that's when ppl should worry about his payment etc, but until then I dont see why everyone is so upset T_T.
But yeah I understand that his parents hate to see him overworked but they have to realize jaedong chose the practice schedule himself, he's not forced by his coach, for example, to play more than everyone else. no, but to have high success in the individual leagues aswell as carrying his pl team pretty much on his shoulders alone cant come together unless he practices that much. and it doesnt matter how much of a good time he thinks he has, he is ruining his health (both physically and mentally) and he maybe doesnt even know what he´s missing. even if he changes to a team with a strong lineup, he would still be in the individual leagues and play at least 1 game during every pl match. often times he´d also be the ace. his workload cant be reduced, but he can get a fair compensation for it. and by finding a stronger team the mental pressure could be reduced because the team is not entirely relying on him and him alone. call me arrogant, but i indeed do think that jd doesnt realize (yet) what he puts himself into in the long run by choosing this path.
I didn't know you spoke on behalf of Jaedongs body/mind.
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jaedong can choose whatever field in computers and be one of the best students in the field.
but only if he has proper guidance.
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On August 25 2009 06:52 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 06:33 o[twist] wrote:
haha everyone hoping he comes to college with them seriously, he could allkill most csl teams SIMULTANEOUSLY in a 1v4 i really think that financially going to college would be the better option in the long run. a guy with his passion and work ethics can easily get a job that pays 100k a year, lets say 5-7 years after graduating. but he can perform this job for several decades then, whereas his career as an active top-progamer wont last for much more than 4-6 years from now on. and as people mentioned earlier, if he doesnt join college in time chances are high he wont get a good paying job. guys who graduate at the age of almost 30 virtually never get those 100k-jobs... on the other hand payment as a progamer always comes lagged to success. he now is at the peak of his performance and success, which means that the next few years would be his biggest years income-wise. (as a progamer...) if he retired now, he would throw away much of the to-be-expected payment that he built up during the past years. but then again, if he doesnt find another team or a way to force hwaseung to pay him more than those disgraceful 140k, he will miss this payday even if he stays a progamer. its a tough decision, but i personally think financially it would be the better choice to retire and go to college if and only if he indeed doesnt find a better paying contract than the 140k oz offered him. oh man, these kespa rules are so goddamn retarded and rigged. if i were jaedong id be soooo fucking pissed XD"
in the US, it's easy to go to college at any age if you have a good reason. I'm sure if he did well enough in progaming, he can come to college in the US, get a CS degree or something, and do well.
your statistic about people aged 30+ doing poorly out of college is flawed. Just because most people who get out of college at age 30+ don't do well doesn't mean it's because employers are colleges discriminate against older people. more likely than not, it's because the people who dont get into college until their 30s have more hurdles in their life and thus are not able to focus single mindedly on their career.
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On August 25 2009 07:15 ZpuX wrote:
why is everyone so obsessed with money? I think he's having a really good time playing starcraft with friends. He gets food, shelter and a decent amount of money already as it is. By the time he starts seeing starcraft as his job that's when ppl should worry about his payment etc, but until then I dont see why everyone is so upset T_T.
But yeah I understand that his parents hate to see him overworked but they have to realize jaedong chose the practice schedule himself, he's not forced by his coach, for example, to play more than everyone else.
This isn't relevant. Your job isn't worth less just because you enjoy doing it. Jaedong's play deserves adequate compensation, period.
On August 25 2009 07:57 genwar wrote:
I didn't know you spoke on behalf of Jaedongs body/mind.
The amount of practice he has to do would be taxing for anyone. Even if he is the best Starcraft player in the world, he's still human.
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On August 25 2009 01:31 mcgriddle wrote:
I think JD deserves a chance to relax a little. Maybe a girlfriend?
JD already has Lomo, why does he need a girlfriend?
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ye 100k job sallarys so easy to get. like lol im making 500k a year sallary with a little effort.
For the record. Ur all a bunch of retards for even suggesting JD to go to college right now. He would be wasting away what it means to be young. The ability to compete.
If he went to college he would just become like everyone else. a nobody There is nothing to gain going down that route. And every single person that even suggest such a thing Shame on you.
Jaedong is set for an opportunity to become the greatest SC player/RTS player ever. So you think he should just give it all up. to go to college and TRY to make 100k a year? you idiots actually think its as simple as going into college coming out and landing 100k salary? You do realize that Jaedongs worth ethic comes from his passion for SC and some self control. That is why hes the best atm, Whose to say he would succeed in college doing anything else. Love and passion is what drives him forward. not $. You all need to take your heads out of your asses and think properly for a moment
Succeeding isnt about intelligence, its about passion.
You cant succeed in doing something you hate.
and you cant fail in doing something you love.
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On August 25 2009 09:41 starPride wrote:
ye 100k job sallarys so easy to get. like lol im making 500k a year sallary with a little effort.
riiiiight
well before this economy they were pretty easy to get for a smart kid like jaedong
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On August 25 2009 09:41 starPride wrote:
He would be wasting away what it means to be young.
You heard it here first from starPride, everybody. What it means to be young is to sit in front of a computer 10 hours a day and share bunk beds with 5 other dudes. Ah, if only we could all have our youths back so we could spend more time not getting laid.
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If Jaedong asked Blizzard to join SC2 balance team, you think they would say "no"? 
That would be cool, plus we'd get BR's of him destroying David Kim.
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While I would be sad by Jaedong's absence I don't think a 19 year old should be working 90+ hours a week while forgoing his future education.
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On August 25 2009 10:38 zazen wrote:If Jaedong asked Blizzard to join SC2 balance team, you think they would say "no"? That would be cool, plus we'd get BR's of him destroying David Kim.
Don't think so
David Kim = SC2 Gosu #1.
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He can come to Toronto. We got tons of Koreans =)
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Lol university leagues would be pretty messed up..... loool
edit and he can sell his golden mouse for $$$$ and piss off kespa by playing sc2 for a non-kespa league
yeah!
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