|
On August 25 2009 01:34 Tien wrote:
Jaedong retiring would be like Seinfeld retiring.
It would pain me more to see him slump like Savior than to see him retire and go on to better things.
Some progamers that stay in starcraft too long burn out their lives. They come to a point where they can't branch out into other industries because they've played a game for way too long.
That said, there's no way he can retire now. 1-2 more years.
He could always claim to retire when he's on top, say he's going to leave when he's in his prime, come back again, retire again, say he's not going to come back ever to the scene again, and then come back again...
...just like Jay-Z.
|
On August 25 2009 01:31 mcgriddle wrote:
I think JD deserves a chance to relax a little. Maybe a girlfriend?
No. Diamond mouse first, getting laid later.
|
On August 24 2009 16:15 riptide wrote:
Yeah, I really don't see him reaching as high up in any other field as he has done in SC. It's not that he's not talented, but to get to #1 in any field is an uphill task, and it doesn't make much sense to withdraw when he is clearly at the peak of his game.
Still, worrying about kids' futures is what parents do, and I understand why they'd want him to qualify. He's doing great now, but history tells us that progamers do fall, and that when they do, they just go completely off the radar. What they say about free time is true as well. He's 19 - he should be out with his friends, not single handedly carrying a pro team by practising 12 hours a day.
In the end it's all about opportunity cost, I guess. I hope he gets to do what he wants though, because that's the most important thing.
Edit: I'm not ruling out that this may be a negotiation tactic at all, just thought I'd take their statement at face value, since it's good to look at it from that perspective as well.
Agree with you
The parents are right to care for his son life. If the guy woke up and play SC until sleep everyday theres something very wrong in there.
Even if SC lose one of the best players, his life must come first, and his fathers have an important role there.
Im happy to see they are fighting for better play conditions for JD.
|
On August 25 2009 01:29 baubo wrote:
They have no agents. Jaedong has to rely on his parents, who likely doesn't even have negotiation or business skills, negotiating his contract. He is going to be underpaid relative to regular professional sports players.
I would argue that JD's parents have done a remarkably good job of exploiting the KeSPA rules to act as an agent on their sons behalf. Their tactics resemble many American agents like Scott Boras'... really what seems to be holding them back is that they can't maintain public solidarity with their son on what is required for him to sign. When Boras was threatening to have Strasburg play in foreign/independent leagues when the Nationals wouldn't sign him to what he thought was an appropriate contract in Major League Baseball, he made sure Strasburg was not making public comments contradictory to his position. If JD's parents made sure that JD did not publicly and privately make comments about how he wished to stay with Oz and that he was trying to negotiate with his parents they would be in a much better position to force a higher salary.
|
On August 24 2009 15:56 Red_Storm wrote:
Jaedong: Coming to a university near you.
Hopefully to mine. ^^
But yea, I expected his parents to be quite parenty about this. It's great if your son is making more a year than his dad (presumably), but to see their son exhausted like this... I can fully understand their reaction.
I do wonder why no team has approached them yet. Too high a price for a solo player?
|
On August 25 2009 01:40 danieldrsa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 16:15 riptide wrote:
Yeah, I really don't see him reaching as high up in any other field as he has done in SC. It's not that he's not talented, but to get to #1 in any field is an uphill task, and it doesn't make much sense to withdraw when he is clearly at the peak of his game.
Still, worrying about kids' futures is what parents do, and I understand why they'd want him to qualify. He's doing great now, but history tells us that progamers do fall, and that when they do, they just go completely off the radar. What they say about free time is true as well. He's 19 - he should be out with his friends, not single handedly carrying a pro team by practising 12 hours a day.
In the end it's all about opportunity cost, I guess. I hope he gets to do what he wants though, because that's the most important thing.
Edit: I'm not ruling out that this may be a negotiation tactic at all, just thought I'd take their statement at face value, since it's good to look at it from that perspective as well. Agree with you The parents are right to care for his son life. If the guy woke up and play SC until sleep everyday theres something very wrong in there. Even if SC lose one of the best players, his life must come first, and his fathers have an important role there. Im happy to see they are fighting for better play conditions for JD.
I'm sorry but i couldn't resist ...
|
I really wonder why no teams have been in touch yet. What is KT doing to do with their money that's better than buying JD? They only have Flash to worry about and with their money they should easily be able to buy JD even if they have to lower some of their players salaries.
|
well all know kespa will pay a team to get JD =p u just cant let him go.. he is like boxer !
|
I'm a long time lurker, first time poster as well. I'm Asian so I understand how important education is to the culture. Going to university late is not really an option. There's a stigma attached to people who aren't graduating at roughly the same time as their peers of the same age. If he goes to university late, it's harder for him to find a good job later on with that stigma attached to him, even being a famous SC player.
Progamers also have a shelf life lower than an NFL running back. Most, even the very best, flame out around the age of 25. The 140M Won offer is only equal to roughly US$113,000. Where I work isn't exactly the best paying, but even a level 3 engineer here can make that much. There's 6 levels to it and he could easily go higher eventually with his work ethic. Even the lowest ranking engineering manager can make up to $160,000 a year. And that's not working 14 hours a day.
|
Good for the parents. No parent wants to see their child slaving away at a computer screen, no matter how good the pay is. You are only young once and a lot of these kids are missing out on their childhood completely.
|
On August 25 2009 00:41 Kwark wrote:
Progaming can't still be fun for him. All the glamour must go after a few years of 14 hour days 7 days a week. He doesn't still need the money and he's young enough to get into something which isn't a dead end for him in 5 years time. Kid should go get some academic skills.
If I were his father I'd be proud of him but I wouldn't want him finding himself getting washed up with no marketable skills.
According to him he still loves it at Oz. If he says he enjoys it why assume he is lying?
If he didnt want to do it anymore he wouldn't. He's not forced to play, nor play at the level he does. He's the best player in the world for a reason. He still has passion for the game. Until he loses that passion he should keep gaming until he no longer wants to do so. Simple as that. You act as if there is only a certain length of time to get academic skills. This isn't the 1940s. He's still extremely young. No reason to rush.
|
Slave auctions lulzzz
I like how Jaedong's father is giving the whole E-Sports systems/Kespa a big "FUCK YOU" when his son is clearly not being treated fairly in terms of salary and work load.
|
On August 25 2009 01:41 Seiuchi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 01:29 baubo wrote:
They have no agents. Jaedong has to rely on his parents, who likely doesn't even have negotiation or business skills, negotiating his contract. He is going to be underpaid relative to regular professional sports players.
I would argue that JD's parents have done a remarkably good job of exploiting the KeSPA rules to act as an agent on their sons behalf. Their tactics resemble many American agents like Scott Boras'... really what seems to be holding them back is that they can't maintain public solidarity with their son on what is required for him to sign. When Boras was threatening to have Strasburg play in foreign/independent leagues when the Nationals wouldn't sign him to what he thought was an appropriate contract in Major League Baseball, he made sure Strasburg was not making public comments contradictory to his position. If JD's parents made sure that JD did not publicly and privately make comments about how he wished to stay with Oz and that he was trying to negotiate with his parents they would be in a much better position to force a higher salary.
I agree with the Scott Boras comparison. It does seem like they're using a lot of similar tactics to American sports agents (or at least the more famous ones like Boras or Drew Rosenhaus), even though they have significantly less leverage than an agent does. Under the rules that KESPA has created, it'd be hard to see even Boras getting Jaedong a fair contract. It'd probably be better if Jaedong didn't give the public interviews talking about his free agency, as it can only hurt his position.
The biggest problem is that they're not professional agents and don't have the same connections with all of the teams. Not to mention, it's not their fulltime job to understand and exploit the rules set forth by kespa. I'm a huge Jaedong fan, and I can only hope he manages to get a good contract somewhere.
|
On August 25 2009 01:41 Seiuchi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 01:29 baubo wrote:
They have no agents. Jaedong has to rely on his parents, who likely doesn't even have negotiation or business skills, negotiating his contract. He is going to be underpaid relative to regular professional sports players.
I would argue that JD's parents have done a remarkably good job of exploiting the KeSPA rules to act as an agent on their sons behalf. Their tactics resemble many American agents like Scott Boras'... really what seems to be holding them back is that they can't maintain public solidarity with their son on what is required for him to sign. When Boras was threatening to have Strasburg play in foreign/independent leagues when the Nationals wouldn't sign him to what he thought was an appropriate contract in Major League Baseball, he made sure Strasburg was not making public comments contradictory to his position. If JD's parents made sure that JD did not publicly and privately make comments about how he wished to stay with Oz and that he was trying to negotiate with his parents they would be in a much better position to force a higher salary.
Umm... just because they emulate famous agents' public mannerism doesn't make them good agents. And there's no comparison between the leverage a baseball player has vs a SC player.
|
On August 25 2009 01:37 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 01:31 mcgriddle wrote:
I think JD deserves a chance to relax a little. Maybe a girlfriend?
No. Diamond mouse first, getting laid later.
Agreed!
|
On August 25 2009 01:45 Dagobert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2009 15:56 Red_Storm wrote:
Jaedong: Coming to a university near you. Hopefully to mine. ^^ But yea, I expected his parents to be quite parenty about this. It's great if your son is making more a year than his dad (presumably), but to see their son exhausted like this... I can fully understand their reaction. I do wonder why no team has approached them yet. Too high a price for a solo player?
JD won't find out if any teams have made offers until the 26th. I guarantee you that quite a few teams have made an offer.
|
On August 25 2009 01:46 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2009 01:40 danieldrsa wrote:On August 24 2009 16:15 riptide wrote:
Yeah, I really don't see him reaching as high up in any other field as he has done in SC. It's not that he's not talented, but to get to #1 in any field is an uphill task, and it doesn't make much sense to withdraw when he is clearly at the peak of his game.
Still, worrying about kids' futures is what parents do, and I understand why they'd want him to qualify. He's doing great now, but history tells us that progamers do fall, and that when they do, they just go completely off the radar. What they say about free time is true as well. He's 19 - he should be out with his friends, not single handedly carrying a pro team by practising 12 hours a day.
In the end it's all about opportunity cost, I guess. I hope he gets to do what he wants though, because that's the most important thing.
Edit: I'm not ruling out that this may be a negotiation tactic at all, just thought I'd take their statement at face value, since it's good to look at it from that perspective as well. Agree with you The parents are right to care for his son life. If the guy woke up and play SC until sleep everyday theres something very wrong in there. Even if SC lose one of the best players, his life must come first, and his fathers have an important role there. Im happy to see they are fighting for better play conditions for JD. I'm sorry but i couldn't resist ...
Not really error. Obviously Overmind and his father.
|
I only hope someone picks him up now. Else Oz will smirk to JD's parents and then make him work twice as hard as he is now and then kill the kid finally. OR
So much practice motivation is what got him the golden mouse and it would now help him get the one thing NO other player would ever receive - The platinum mouse.
I think they should offer more salary or more benefits, like tying up with Nike or something, I'm sure 100's of fans would want JD's sneakers or jacket or hood or insert-what-ever-merchandise you think of. He could be the Micheal Jordan of Starcraft (seeing as he is becoming the Tiger woods of SC after all !)
|
On August 24 2009 15:52 Waxangel wrote:At the Bacchus OSL 2009 Final:
"After FA was declared, I avoided speaking to the media because I thought it might put pressure on Jaedong. I didn't expect a victory today, I was actually just hoping that he win even one game, so I didn't have any flowers prepared."
So this is saying he had no faith in his son winning the OSL or even one game? Is he crazy? After reading that (assuming it was translated and I interpreted it correctly) it just seems like his parents are fucking crazy wackos.
|
If Jaedong retires I will be so sad ;_;
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
