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![[image loading]](http://abload.de/img/headbannerjulyzbj68.png) Please tell ur friends, state ur opinion in this thread, rate the blog and go on reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1i3p9q/top30_foreigner_ranking_july_2013/About me and the ranking+ Show Spoiler +Hi TeamLiquid (and reddit), I'm DiaBoLuS, a german low-mid GM protoss player in HotS (2x HotS / 5x WoL). I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings! Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire. --> no Jim, no Sen, no Xigua! How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have?My personal ranking watches mostly on results, but also on how they where achieved. Also, ladder-performances as well as past, major results play a role in my ranking – as well as my general impression of a player (does he seem talented / cheesy / cant seem to show off his full potential somehow). Activity obviously also plays a role – you cant call a player you never get to see one of the absolute best in my opinion. Ranking system: roughly75% = my own rank /// 25% = aligulac.com rank. both ranks will be shown in the players pictures, comulating in one rank. So when criticizing the ranking, please talk specifically about my personal rank given, not the comulated rank, since the aligulac rank isnt influenced by me  No votes this month, im a lazy Panda.
 
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United States8476 Posts
Nice, my only big concerns are maybe Dayshi, Sjow, and Strelok a bit higher.
Oh yea, Major too high.
Also, I miss the up/down arrows with the numbers.
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I can't see any reason at all to have Major so high up there when someone like Strelok or even qxc doesn't make the ranking.
Was it the 0-2 loss to qxc, the 0-2 loss to Goswser or the 2-0 vs Theognis that catapulted him up the rankings this month? :p
He literally has only one map win against someone who is in the top 30 or even among the players that came close this month. Aligulac has him in 46. You must have a very high opinion of him to place him so highly.
Especially since your personal ranking places Dayshi in 25 and MajOr in 17. I mean, really. I usually don't disagree much with your rankings, but here I'm just like WTF.
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qxc and strelok are both very close to 30, strelok probably wouldve been there if todays performance counted into it (it takes time to do those graphic thingys^^).
Most pros consider MajOr a top foreigner - you have to repect that in some way imo. maybe i went too high there.
oh yeah, will add those arrows next month^^
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United States8476 Posts
Oh, qxc too. He's been doing really well lately.
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On July 12 2013 05:03 KalWarkov wrote:
qxc and strelok are both very close to 30, strelok probably wouldve been there if todays performance counted into it (it takes time to do those graphic thingys^^).
Most pros consider MajOr a top foreigner - you have to repect that in some way imo. maybe i went too high there.
oh yeah, will add those arrows next month^^
Well, I don't know. I respect pros, and I'm all about defending players with potential or whatever. And I'm usually one of the first who defends players who do well in win online cups and qualifiers but haven't shown much in offline events yet and says to give them time because they're really good.
But if you simply don't show results anywhere at all, then it's pretty hard to explain how exactly this warrants a spot in the ranking. Dayshi has 20 wins and 6 losses in Acer Teamstory Cup now and two all-kills vs Korean-only teams under his belt and reached the playoffs at Dreamhack Summer last month, only to lose to probably the best European TvT player LucifroN in a close series.
MajOr trades games with some decent and a bunch of mediocre NA players. At some point you have to make a cutoff and say, you might be good, but the results don't support that at all at the moment.
Especially since you're always advocating a slow and steady increase/decrease in the ranking, you don't throw out someone easily. MajOr jumped at least 13 places up compared to last month without winning more than a single map against an opponent in the top 41 (and then lost that series because he forfeited).
I'm not hating on MajOr or anything, I kind of like the guy, but it doesn't make sense at all to me. Also, you usually want feedback.
Qxc has done like infinitely better in the last month, beating Kespa players and foreigners alike, qualifying for IEM and everything and gets a pat on the back. MajOr takes a map off Nerchio and is the 17th best foreigner in your eyes.
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I feel like you are being affected more by how you like the player/ how famous they are than by the actual results :/
WAY overrated the zergs in the top 12... maybe even in the whole thing. Are you a zerg fan by any chance?
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No Sen, can't take this serious even though the top 5 seems right.
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On July 12 2013 05:22 Thomassn wrote:
No Sen, can't take this serious even though the top 5 seems right.
This happens literally every single time the ranking is posted. Read the OP.
On July 12 2013 04:41 KalWarkov wrote:
When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
--> no Jim, no Sen, no Xigua!
Maybe try not hiding that part behind the spoiler next time, Diabolus. Maybe there'll be 10% less comments about it.
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Russian Federation205 Posts
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How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/
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On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/
He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU.
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On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU.
Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did...
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snute should be at least in top 3. He has won the most money in 2013 for foreigners.
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^^ makes a lot of sense when he lost to a NA terran horribly
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Some people here are getting pretty mad at a guys opinion. Who cares. Some picks are clearly "wrong", opinion or not, but there's no need to get this heated up about it :D
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eh, Lucifron is definitely best foreigner atm but whatever, number 3 works too. Also what tournaments did you use to rank moonglade? Havent seen him at all for a while now.
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DeMuslim is ranked too highly. He still hasn't had a good tournament in a long time and he didn't do well at all at MLG. I don't really agree with Stephano being #1 since he has had minimal results for the past few months.
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Still dont know why scarlett is on the list, shes on injured list, cant really include her can you?
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I like the ranking, though I disagree with a few choices. A bit too many of the good ol' boys for me. The trifecta of bunny/dayshi/Lucifron is fearsome. I really hope they'll show the foreigner-terrans out of the darkness (more than sjow did).
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did...
lol
Nice ranking, not too much to disagree with, maybe MajOr a bit high although I do love him so he can stay.
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On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did...
You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic.
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I want my man hendralisk. Doing well beatin some koreans in about every qualifier he plays in.
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Pretty decent ranking, i should go back playing sc2 and allin you again =).
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So... Naniwa is vote 2-2 and Stephano is voted 1-6 and Stephano still get a higher ranking? :p Same with dimaga, you rank him 13 and the aligulac rank him 50+ and he still gets a spot at 17 xD
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On July 12 2013 07:06 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did... You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic.
"Who knows? Maybe Nerchio is better than Innovation. I mean, they haven't played in the same tournaments so I guess we'll just have to go with our guts and say that Nerchio is better. I mean, he could probably have beaten both Innovation and Soulkey in GSL anyway."
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On July 12 2013 08:24 Fizzy wrote:
So... Naniwa is vote 2-2 and Stephano is voted 1-6 and Stephano still get a higher ranking? :p Same with dimaga, you rank him 13 and the aligulac rank him 50+ and he still gets a spot at 17 xD
It is 75% his own thoughts, otherwise it would only be aligulac. Though a lot of the zergs on there do seem a bit overrated and some of the terrans and toss fairly underrated.
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On July 12 2013 09:03 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 07:06 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did... You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic. "Who knows? Maybe Nerchio is better than Innovation. I mean, they haven't played in the same tournaments so I guess we'll just have to go with our guts and say that Nerchio is better. I mean, he could probably have beaten both Innovation and Soulkey in GSL anyway."
In what tournament did Nerchio outperform Innovation? None, so your comparison is a failure.
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On July 12 2013 09:16 pwnz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:03 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 07:06 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did... You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic. "Who knows? Maybe Nerchio is better than Innovation. I mean, they haven't played in the same tournaments so I guess we'll just have to go with our guts and say that Nerchio is better. I mean, he could probably have beaten both Innovation and Soulkey in GSL anyway." In what tournament did Nerchio outperform Innovation? None, so your comparison is a failure.
"Fruitdealer beat Taeja 2-0 in GSL Season One so I guess he's the better player." It's ridiculous logic so stop trying to prop it up by claiming there aren't examples. You don't compare players purely on the basis of X beat Y so X is better. naniwa has beaten better players, he's had better results at better tournaments; he's the better player.
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Moonglade seems low. Besides that it all seems standard.
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On July 12 2013 09:43 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:16 pwnz0r wrote:On July 12 2013 09:03 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 07:06 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did... You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic. "Who knows? Maybe Nerchio is better than Innovation. I mean, they haven't played in the same tournaments so I guess we'll just have to go with our guts and say that Nerchio is better. I mean, he could probably have beaten both Innovation and Soulkey in GSL anyway." In what tournament did Nerchio outperform Innovation? None, so your comparison is a failure. "Fruitdealer beat Taeja 2-0 in GSL Season One so I guess he's the better player." It's ridiculous logic so stop trying to prop it up by claiming there aren't examples. You don't compare players purely on the basis of X beat Y so X is better. naniwa has beaten better players, he's had better results at better tournaments; he's the better player.
Naniwa has also had worse results at worse tournaments. His inconsistency is why he isn't the best foreigner. He flamed out in the WCS EU round of 16 in a group with happy, babyknight, and vortix. How does losing that early in the tournament make him the better player? Maybe once Stephano retires he'll be able to take that mantle, but not yet.
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China6329 Posts
Try include some Chinese players, who took 4 places in WCS AM Premier, 2nd biggest non-Korean presense in there just behind America, and they qualify by stomping almost the entire foreigner line-up (save for the very top like Scarlett and Demuslim) and even some mid-tier Koreans.
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I agree with it mostly although i'd maybe put  dimaga up a bit more, his recent WCS run can't really be ignored. although he lost in his recent bracket so I suppose you could be right. Just my 2 cent's anyway, nice list on the whole though 
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I think iaguz should be there. He did after all beat moonglade and qualify for IEM Shanghai.
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On July 12 2013 11:48 pwnz0r wrote:
Naniwa has also had worse results at worse tournaments. His inconsistency is why he isn't the best foreigner. He flamed out in the WCS EU round of 16 in a group with happy, babyknight, and vortix. How does losing that early in the tournament make him the better player? Maybe once Stephano retires he'll be able to take that mantle, but not yet.
His WCS ro16 was 2 months ago, I don't know why you think it's some golden bullet to why Stephano should have a higher ranking in July. Naniwa's just beaten the best other foreigner at WCS EU, so he's clearly doing better than he was 2 months ago. Stephano doesn't just get "auto-best-foreigner-forever" because he once had decent results. He no longer does, he's no longer the best; he's arguably not even top 5.
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On July 12 2013 11:48 pwnz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:43 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 09:16 pwnz0r wrote:On July 12 2013 09:03 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 07:06 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did... You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic. "Who knows? Maybe Nerchio is better than Innovation. I mean, they haven't played in the same tournaments so I guess we'll just have to go with our guts and say that Nerchio is better. I mean, he could probably have beaten both Innovation and Soulkey in GSL anyway." In what tournament did Nerchio outperform Innovation? None, so your comparison is a failure. "Fruitdealer beat Taeja 2-0 in GSL Season One so I guess he's the better player." It's ridiculous logic so stop trying to prop it up by claiming there aren't examples. You don't compare players purely on the basis of X beat Y so X is better. naniwa has beaten better players, he's had better results at better tournaments; he's the better player. Naniwa has also had worse results at worse tournaments. His inconsistency is why he isn't the best foreigner. He flamed out in the WCS EU round of 16 in a group with happy, babyknight, and vortix. How does losing that early in the tournament make him the better player? Maybe once Stephano retires he'll be able to take that mantle, but not yet.
stephano has had one second place in a mostly foreigner event, naniwa has a second place and a top 4 at korean dominated events. and naniwa is the one who lacks consistency. where is the logic?
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On July 12 2013 06:42 RiSkysc2 wrote:
snute should be at least in top 3. He has won the most money in 2013 for foreigners.
Also he beat Stephano 3-1 quite easily recently at HSC.
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On July 12 2013 18:58 Ballesvette wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 11:48 pwnz0r wrote:On July 12 2013 09:43 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 09:16 pwnz0r wrote:On July 12 2013 09:03 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 07:06 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:33 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 06:23 Musicus wrote:On July 12 2013 06:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
How stephano is still number 1 is beyond me :/ He was the best in WCS EU, so until they prove they are better than him in this season he is still number 1. A tournament like MLG, where not all the best foreigners play (only 4 europeans I think) isn't as good an indicator as WCS EU where they all play imo. If only Scarlett and Snute would also play EU. Yeah WCS EU was a much better tournament than MLG. I mean, Hyun, HerO, Jaedong and Dear are pretty good players, but they're nowhere near as good as TLO, DIMAGA, Babyknight and Happy! I mean, if those guys had been at MLG then maybe we'd be able to see Naniwa compete against the same caliber of player that Stephano did... You didn't get my point. MLG was harder than WCS EU. But what I was trying to say is, that if you want to determine who is the best between Stephano, Lucifron and Naniwa, you should look a tournament where they all played instead only one of them. You can't tell how Lucifron and Stephano might've done at MLG, they could've beaten Naniwa on the way and placed higher than him, or failed horribly. But you can tell how Naniwa did in WCS EU, and he went out in the ro16 without winning a map in a group with Vortix, Babyknight and Happy. So I think Naniwa has a good chance of being the best foreigner, but he has to prove it in a tournament against those other best foreigners, not by beating koreans in a tournament they didn't attend. So if he is the last foreigner standing this season, he is the best in my eyes. That's all just my opinion and a try to explain why Stephano is still seen as the best by many, no need to get angry or sarcastic. "Who knows? Maybe Nerchio is better than Innovation. I mean, they haven't played in the same tournaments so I guess we'll just have to go with our guts and say that Nerchio is better. I mean, he could probably have beaten both Innovation and Soulkey in GSL anyway." In what tournament did Nerchio outperform Innovation? None, so your comparison is a failure. "Fruitdealer beat Taeja 2-0 in GSL Season One so I guess he's the better player." It's ridiculous logic so stop trying to prop it up by claiming there aren't examples. You don't compare players purely on the basis of X beat Y so X is better. naniwa has beaten better players, he's had better results at better tournaments; he's the better player. Naniwa has also had worse results at worse tournaments. His inconsistency is why he isn't the best foreigner. He flamed out in the WCS EU round of 16 in a group with happy, babyknight, and vortix. How does losing that early in the tournament make him the better player? Maybe once Stephano retires he'll be able to take that mantle, but not yet. stephano has had one second place in a mostly foreigner event, naniwa has a second place and a top 4 at korean dominated events. and naniwa is the one who lacks consistency. where is the logic?
Consistency" means doing well in almost every event you enter. I´m a fan of Nani, but while he had great runs at DH Stockholm and MLG, he did go out pretty early at DH Summer and WCS EU, so you ca´nt really call him consitent. I´d still give him the advantadge over Stephano though, since Stephano had quite a few early dropouts as well.
In general I agree with the ranking, but major... I know, that a lot of people speak very high of him, but statistically there is no real evidence for that. I mean, according to Aligulac, he hasn´t won a bo3 against a european or korean player in the entire 2013.
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I don't get why Stephano is #1, at all.
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On July 12 2013 07:25 DashedHopes wrote:
Huk should be top 30..
based on what?
I like the ranking, but got to agree that Major is too high. That's probably the only real major concern I have, thanks a lot for your work!
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A bit late to the party this time around.
I liked the ranking, as people said, Major is the biggest eye-sore. Solid otherwise.
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next ranking after wcs eu finals
€: or not - i had a ranking done, no time to do graphics back then. and now its OLD already, wcs results keep coming in tt
will try to post one on monday/tuesday next week!
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hey can you just post it?
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next ranking lucifron wouldnt be that high
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