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Top 30 Foreigners (May2012)

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 22:31:05
May 04 2012 19:07 GMT
#1
Introduction or: Where is Sen?
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Hi guys!

To my and hopefully your excitement, i created a list of the best 30 foreign players. As you may know, those lists are rly subjective. I try to look at achievements and latest results, but its unavoidable to get personal opinions into this.
There is no such thing as the perfect „ranking“, but i enjoy doing those, most ppl enjoy reading them, but not many ppl put rankings out there.
My ranking is purely about foreign players and i exclude asian, non korean players as well – that means you wont find chinese or taiwanese players in my ranking. The simple reason being: i dont have much information about these scenes. I obviously know that Sen, Xigua and also MacSed are great players, but its impossible to compare them to the players in EU and NA. So you could consider it a „Western Foreigner Top 30“.

I put quite some work into it and i hope i get at least some reads, since i think a ranking made by a random person should be posted as a blog and not as a thread in the general section, even though it might end up with no responses at all.

So here is the list for this month! (i try to release one every month)






Old Lists
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March 2012
April 2012





May 2012



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---------------- 1. (Wiki)Stephano --------------------------- 2.(Wiki)NaNiWa --------------------------- 3.(Wiki)ThorZaiN -------------------

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------------------ 4. (Wiki)HuK --------------------------------- 5.(Wiki)Ret --------------------------------- 6.(Wiki)SaSe ------------------------

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------------------ 7. (Wiki)Kas -------------------------------- 8.(Wiki)Nerchio ------------------------------- 9.(Wiki)Sheth ---------------------

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--------------- 10. (Wiki)MaNa ------------------------------- 11.(Wiki)IdrA -------------------------------- 12.(Wiki)SeleCt -------------------

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-------------- 13. (Wiki)Lucifron ---------------------------- 14.(Wiki)Dimaga ---------------------------- 15.(Wiki)Happy --------------------

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------------- 16. (Wiki)DeMusliM ------------------------ 17.(Wiki)MorroW ----------------------------- 18.(Wiki)BratOK ------------------

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--------------- 19. (Wiki)Socke --------------------------- 20.(Wiki)Grubby -------------------------------- 21.(Wiki)TitaN --------------------

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-------------- 22. (Wiki)HasuObs ------------------------- 23.(Wiki)WhiteRa ----------------------------- 24.(Wiki)Feast -------------------

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---------------- 25. (Wiki)SjoW ------------------------------- 26.(Wiki)ToD -------------------------------- 27.(Wiki)NightEnD --------------

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------------- 28. (Wiki)DarKFoRcE ----------------------- 29.(Wiki)Beastyqt --------------------------- 30.(Wiki)sLivko ------------------







The following 20:

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ClouD
Jinro
Strelok
Illusion
GoOdy
Naama
qxc
dde
TLO
SluSh
Snute
biGs
VortiX
HayprO
LiveZerg
BlinG
elfi
Axlav
Adelscott
monchi



There is a list of currently 28 players following those listed that i watch out for, but didnt quite make it into the lists. The race distribution there is 9 | 13 | 6.







Please leave a comment about how you like my ranking, what u think i could do better and stuff like that.
Which players are overrated? which are underrated? Did i leave out players completely?





Ty for clicking & reading!


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DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Bouyt
Profile Joined March 2011
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 19:15:48
May 04 2012 19:13 GMT
#2
I think Sen should be somewhere up there. Also Idra is a little too high imo.
Otherwise nice list.

Opps, haha my bad, didn't see that intro
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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
May 04 2012 19:14 GMT
#3
On May 05 2012 04:13 Bouyt wrote:
I think Sen should be somewhere up there. Also Idra is a little too high imo.
Otherwise nice list.


Skipped over that little part titled "Introduction: Or where is Sen?" didn't we? Overall seems pretty good I would probably have moved a few things around, but I guess everyones list would look a little bit different.
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
May 04 2012 19:19 GMT
#4
Select still is korean.

Hmmm, I have a lot of fanboyism for socke in me, otherwise I have to admit that the players above him performend more well.

Why did sheth move up?
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 19:21:00
May 04 2012 19:20 GMT
#5
Inb4 why is IdrA so high 11?
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
May 04 2012 19:27 GMT
#6
On May 05 2012 04:19 HaRuHi wrote:
Select still is korean.

Hmmm, I have a lot of fanboyism for socke in me, otherwise I have to admit that the players above him performend more well.

Why did sheth move up?


I guess because he has done fairly well in recent team leagues, don't think he has done anything at any major LAN though.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
May 04 2012 19:29 GMT
#7
On May 05 2012 04:20 0ne wrote:
Inb4 why is IdrA so high 11?

Idra's just like impossible to rank. You put him too high and you get the "OMG POPULARITY CONTEST" people and if you put him too low, the Idra fanatics crucify you. Personally I'd put him a bit lower but this is fine I think.

Nice ranking. :D
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
May 04 2012 19:33 GMT
#8
Pretty good list, but Idra is WAY too high on this list. Demuslim is also in too high of a spot.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
May 04 2012 19:36 GMT
#9
On May 05 2012 04:20 0ne wrote:
Inb4 why is IdrA so high 11?



Well it is a valid question Placing him anywhere in a top30 of foreigners seems to high for him.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 04 2012 19:38 GMT
#10
Nightend 27 and no major? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#11
Out of curiousity, how do you motivate the top 3? I don't disagree at all (I might switch ThorZain and Stephano and Naniwa around, but I generally agree - they're the three best), just curious on how you reasoned
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 19:49:10
May 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#12
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Winter/Championship How is Socke only 19th?
Edit: Lol, that was March, but still...
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 04 2012 19:48 GMT
#13
id put IdrA at least a couple spots farther up, he may not have won many games this year but hes shown amazing games agaisnt amazing palyers
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 19:52:00
May 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#14
On May 05 2012 04:38 Gamegene wrote:
Nightend 27 and no major? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz





major didnt do anything in the last 3 months. he dropped out of the "following 20" list recently - talent isnt everything and he didnt even have huge results in the past.

Nightend is probably a bit too low, but its so hard for me to rank 22-30.

idra is still high cause of his huge achievements of the past and the great play that pops out once a month. if he keeps underperforming, he will drop faster and faster, just as he did in the previous 2 rankings!

Also, Sheth, Nerchio and MaNa moved up mainly because Idra, Select and Dimaga dropped down^^

And no, select stays a forgeigner for the reasons i pointed out in list 1 - he lives in the us for a long time and learned sc2 in the us. the small trip to korea and his roots / childhood are not the main factors imo. but ye, you can argue about that day in day out^^




On May 05 2012 04:47 Ettick wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Winter/Championship How is Socke only 19th?
Edit: Lol, that was March, but still...



while this is impressive, socke recently lost 1-3 in the eps quaterfinals vs cloud, who himself struggles a lot against protoss and PvT is supposed to be sockes best MU.
Furhtermore he underperforms in teamleagues.
While the MLG success overshines those things, i still dont see any "worse" players in front of him.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 19:51:40
May 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#15
sry, doublepost^^
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
May 04 2012 19:54 GMT
#16
Yeah, Idra is wayy too high. Considering he has placed last place in (almost) every single event in 2012, he doesn't even deserve top 100. I put almost in brackets, in case I missed out a win somewhere.

Illusion, now QuanticIllusion, should definitely be higher. He tore through the IPL4 open bracket, narrowly losing before reaching the group stage. Other Vile-Quantic members like State have been putting up solid performances in team leagues, they should definitely be ranked higher.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 04 2012 19:58 GMT
#17
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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 20:05:47
May 04 2012 20:04 GMT
#18
I too was under the impression that Idra was to high up, but when i looked at the other competition i realized Shit our foreigners fucking suck. I say this with all love for the foreign scene, but in reality the rest of the foreigners below IdrA have been pretty quiet as far as i noticed for the last few months. Yea theres always the one ore two upsets against the Koreans but they realyl are dominating the scene.

Edit: I shouldn't say suck, i should say have been performing not as explosive since the arrival of the koreans.

Plays against every MU with nexus first.
MacroPLZ
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States63 Posts
May 04 2012 20:09 GMT
#19
Awesome list, Thanks for taking the time to these!

Cheers!
No excuses, only excellence. check out my caster page here: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=331796
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
May 04 2012 20:10 GMT
#20
Pretty good, but everyone from 12 to 30 can take out your no. 11
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
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