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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 04 2012 20:11 GMT
#21
On May 05 2012 04:54 Heh_ wrote:
Yeah, Idra is wayy too high. Considering he has placed last place in (almost) every single event in 2012, he doesn't even deserve top 100. I put almost in brackets, in case I missed out a win somewhere.

Illusion, now QuanticIllusion, should definitely be higher. He tore through the IPL4 open bracket, narrowly losing before reaching the group stage. Other Vile-Quantic members like State have been putting up solid performances in team leagues, they should definitely be ranked higher.

IdrA lost close games against bomber and MMA
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 04 2012 20:13 GMT
#22
Why isn't Demuslim anywhere on there, including the bottom 20?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 04 2012 20:14 GMT
#23
On May 05 2012 05:13 grush57 wrote:
Why isn't Demuslim anywhere on there, including the bottom 20?

hes number 16
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 04 2012 20:17 GMT
#24
On May 05 2012 05:11 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 04:54 Heh_ wrote:
Yeah, Idra is wayy too high. Considering he has placed last place in (almost) every single event in 2012, he doesn't even deserve top 100. I put almost in brackets, in case I missed out a win somewhere.

Illusion, now QuanticIllusion, should definitely be higher. He tore through the IPL4 open bracket, narrowly losing before reaching the group stage. Other Vile-Quantic members like State have been putting up solid performances in team leagues, they should definitely be ranked higher.

IdrA lost close games against bomber and MMA


And many other koreans. He has lost to some foreigners, but most of his losses are to really good koreans that foreigners never beat :p.
When I think of something else, something will go here
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 04 2012 20:27 GMT
#25
On May 05 2012 05:17 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:11 Forikorder wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:54 Heh_ wrote:
Yeah, Idra is wayy too high. Considering he has placed last place in (almost) every single event in 2012, he doesn't even deserve top 100. I put almost in brackets, in case I missed out a win somewhere.

Illusion, now QuanticIllusion, should definitely be higher. He tore through the IPL4 open bracket, narrowly losing before reaching the group stage. Other Vile-Quantic members like State have been putting up solid performances in team leagues, they should definitely be ranked higher.

IdrA lost close games against bomber and MMA


And many other koreans. He has lost to some foreigners, but most of his losses are to really good koreans that foreigners never beat :p.


to be fair, his wins against koreans are from the past. in the last 2 months, all we saw were losses against foreigners right and left, but he obviously still has some credits to burn.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
May 04 2012 20:37 GMT
#26
why feast so low, the guy plays like a beast

also i doubt ipl4 was put into this as quanticillusion and ecscarlett would each be higher due to their sick runs through the open brackets there
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
May 04 2012 20:44 GMT
#27
Pretty good list I would say, the only major disagreement I have is the placement of Illusion.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 04 2012 20:50 GMT
#28
On May 05 2012 05:27 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:17 blade55555 wrote:
On May 05 2012 05:11 Forikorder wrote:
On May 05 2012 04:54 Heh_ wrote:
Yeah, Idra is wayy too high. Considering he has placed last place in (almost) every single event in 2012, he doesn't even deserve top 100. I put almost in brackets, in case I missed out a win somewhere.

Illusion, now QuanticIllusion, should definitely be higher. He tore through the IPL4 open bracket, narrowly losing before reaching the group stage. Other Vile-Quantic members like State have been putting up solid performances in team leagues, they should definitely be ranked higher.

IdrA lost close games against bomber and MMA


And many other koreans. He has lost to some foreigners, but most of his losses are to really good koreans that foreigners never beat :p.


to be fair, his wins against koreans are from the past. in the last 2 months, all we saw were losses against foreigners right and left, but he obviously still has some credits to burn.

he hasnt palyed many foriegner lately pretty mcuh jsut korean tosses
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
May 04 2012 20:50 GMT
#29
Very similar to my top 10, Socke should be way higher though.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 04 2012 21:10 GMT
#30
On May 05 2012 05:44 Adebisi wrote:
Pretty good list I would say, the only major disagreement I have is the placement of Illusion.


im a huge illusion fan, i watch his stream everytime, follow him on twitter and so on - and i know how good he can be.
the problem i have with putting illusion up too early is the consistency. he can wrack koreans, but also lose 0-2 to "delphi" and lose in the iem groupstages.
hes close to go to the top30, but if i compare him to the ppl him, he has to accomplish sth else before i go with him, but i have no doubt he will be top15 within this year.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Sc2Corpse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States210 Posts
May 04 2012 21:13 GMT
#31
I think Minigun should be somewhere on here.
The Zombie Protoss <3
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
May 04 2012 21:42 GMT
#32
On May 05 2012 05:37 unit wrote:
why feast so low, the guy plays like a beast

also i doubt ipl4 was put into this as quanticillusion and ecscarlett would each be higher due to their sick runs through the open brackets there


As much as I am a fan of scarlett too, one tournament run isn't enough, and we need to wait and see more results for her. Although I also am of the opinion that Illusion should be in the top 30.
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RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
May 04 2012 21:45 GMT
#33
Overall, very nice list. I won't say that I agree 100%, but I think it's pretty darn good. I especially like the formatted graphic for each player. Nice to be able to put some faces to the slightly less known names. One suggestion: It might be nice to link to their liquipedia page or stats page if you click on a player's graphic.

And to many of the other responses, yeah, there are some really tough players to place. Idra almost never competes in an open bracket, so he never gets to make runs against scrubs and medium strength players. Instead, he's almost always pitted against the best of the best and he loses. Doesn't mean he's actually worse than guys who pick up more wins against worst competition. Anyone from 12-30 could beat him on a given day, but he could also beat anyone ranked 12 and lower on any given day and potentially take a series off any zerg/terran above him on the rankings. Similar things go for guys like Sase, except his issue is that he rarely gets to play in tournaments outside Korea. He has almost no results, but we can see in the quality of his games that he's very good.

So all of these rankings are very subjective and hard to place. Makes it part of the fun.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 21:53:57
May 04 2012 21:53 GMT
#34
Illusion should be WAY WAY higher.

nice list though, reading power ranks is fun so thanks for this!
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
May 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#35
T_T I can't see the list, its all pictures! Have text saying your order!
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 22:02:44
May 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#36
Nerchio above kas and Illusion in the top 30 imo. Also shelth much lower imo. He hasn't done anything in the last month, so don't know why he got +4.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 04 2012 22:03 GMT
#37
On May 05 2012 06:59 NrGmonk wrote:
Nerchio above kas and Illusion in the top 30 imo. Also shelth much lower imo. He hasn't done anything in the last month, so don't know why he got +4.


stated why illusion. steth cuase the others around him underperformed a bit. nerchio > kas is questionable after kas performance at this weekend
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
WHyTePoWeR
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)132 Posts
May 04 2012 23:03 GMT
#38
minigun should be here
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
May 04 2012 23:10 GMT
#39
I think I more or less agree with the top ten, after that though it kind of becomes a toss up. Maybe potential wise IdrA should be up as high as he is, but he hasn't shown us any good results recently.
=)=
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 23:20:57
May 04 2012 23:19 GMT
#40
Once again, a good list. I don't have much criticism, I fully agree with your top 10, although I maybe wouldnt have put Sheth so much higher than last time.
Placement of all the players below top 10 is certainly arguable and often a toss-up, you probably can't always say that Player X is better than Player Y with absolute certainty, but overall you did a good job, and most important, I wholly agree with the trends you showed by having the players gaining or losing ranks.
Can't argue against those and it's good to see Beastyqt back, I didn't really agree with leaving him out of the top 30 last time.
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