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Hi guys!
To my and hopefully your excitement, i created a list of the best 30 foreign players. As you may know, those lists are rly subjective. I try to look at achievements and latest achievements, but its unavoidable to get personal opinions into this.
There is no such thing as the perfect „ranking“, but i enjoy doing those, most ppl enjoy reading them, but not many ppl put rankings out there.
My ranking is purely about foreign players and i exclude asian, non korean players as well – that means you wont find chinese or taiwanese players in my ranking. The simple reason being: i dont have much information about these scenes. I obviously know that Sen, Xigua and also MacSed are great players, but its impossible to compare them to the players in EU and NA. So you could consider it a „Western Foreigner Top 30“.
I put quite some work into it and i hope i get at least some reads, since i think a ranking made by a random person should be posted as a blog and not as a thread in the general section, even though it might end up with no responses at all.
So here is the list for this month! (i try to release one every month)
 
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Yea.. not really a perfect ranking. I won't really get into who I think is ahead of who here. I do agree stephano is number 1 tho, who couldn't? The graphics and layout are GREAT!
Good job, cool post.
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Good job on this post, i like it!
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Idra sixth? I'm not a idra hater but I don't agree with that at all.
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Nice list! I think Idra is quite overrated here, as his recent play hasn't been with the times at all and he hasn't moved on from his old mindset. Grubby, Kas and Dimaga are all arguably better than Idra.
Conversely, Feast is massively underrated. He is definitely playing better than Idra at the moment, and probably better than Mana/Demuslim/Whitera.
Other than that, I think Cloud could be a little lower, and NightEnd a little higher.
The Top 3 are pretty much undisputably the correct Top 3 foreigners, it's just questionable about the order. I agree with Stephano first, but I'd put Naniwa second and Huk 3rd. It's a close call though. Huk's play still looks so sloppy to me, whereas Naniwa looks far more polished - it looks as though Naniwa has taken far more in terms of refinement away from Korea than Huk has. On the other hand, Huk thrives better in crazy situations and Naniwa is almost always so standard (except against Nestea  ) - as I said, a close call.
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Not giving any reasons for any of this ? Particularly I'm curious how you justify putting Idra at #6, behind people he just finished losing to at IEM like Feast, Kas, and Darkforce.
Overall I'm sure you did the best you could, but realistically you can never rank 30 people in any real coherent order.
But I'll bite anyway . I think Tod could be higher. It feels like we've only seen him vs top koreans in forever, making him look worse than he is. Also I think Major, Bling, and maybe even Beastyqt could very justifiably take a spot in that top 30, perhaps over people like Socke and Cloud.
One final note, I think it's one hell of a stretch to call Select a foreigner.
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Select is Korean.
HuK and Naniwa have been playing in Korea.
It's certainly possible to include Sen in there, unless you personally don't know much about him.
Other than that, I'd just move some people around and in or out of your Top 30 vs. Just Missed Lists. Nice ^^
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IMO demuslim should be higher and morrow should be higher as well
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as i said, its rly hard to rank them, but im having fun at it.
idra is arguably overrated due to his latest results, and feast overrated - but long term performance also counts somewhat - and also the opponents you face, how the games acutally went.
Feast had some rly nice tournament results in the last 2 months, but that still doesnt make him a solid top-foreigner imo, juding from his play and from the relative short amount of time he had success in.
Idra on the other hand had many success in the past. when u watch him play sometimes nowadays, you still clearly see his caliber of play. he just refuses to show it more and more. I still concider him one of the best foreign zergs nevertheless, since i wouldnt favour any player behind him to go further in - lets say an MLG event - that would start tomorrow!
The longer feast keeps up his great play, and idra his bad play, the more will the ranking change next month!
Cloud being overrated? hm - i concider rank 21-30 somewhat even. Cloud showed some nice results lately, survivng the tough HSC4 groupstage and doing OK in teamleagues / EPS. You might be right about nightend, i also feel strelok is a little low, but as i said, you have to rank somehow^^
try it yourself, its harder than you think!
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On March 17 2012 08:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Select is Korean.
HuK and Naniwa have been playing in Korea.
It's certainly possible to include Sen in there, unless you personally don't know much about him.
Other than that, I'd just move some people around and in or out of your Top 30 vs. Just Missed Lists. Nice ^^
to me, select lived long enough in the US to be concidered foreigner. he learned the game as a foreigner living here, therefore, i concider him foreigner.
HuK is a foreigner training in korea, not a canadian that moved to Korea and then suddenly learning about starctarft 2 - in my mind, they are all foreigners.
I know about sen, but we dont see anything from him despinte 3/4 major events and sometimes gsl in a whole year - thats too little to give him a fair ranking imo. he could very well be in the top 8, but i cannot say that without doubts in my mind.
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On March 17 2012 08:59 Complicated wrote:
Where is slush?
Slush, Bling, elfi, TLO, slivko were the 5 ppl i rly had a hard time not putting into the list.
But when i look at 20-30 and have a bo7 showmatch between any of them vs slush, i would tend to favor his opponent slightly. maybe he will once again convince me with a great MLG performance 
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Okay I need to whine about something I feel really strongly about real quick.
You absolutely cannot count both Select and Huk as foreigners. Select is a Korean person with a Korean name and a Korean family who speaks Korean as his first language and was born in Korea and grew up in Korea and has recently been living in Korea. Yes I know it's a run-on sentence.
Anyway, the only possible way you could call him a foreigner is that he's been living in the US a lot for the past couple years. But if you want to go that way, Huk's been living in Korea for like the same amount of time. And maybe Violet's a foreigner now ?
Sorry, rant.
Edit: Whoopsie daisy. I meant to make a second post but I edited over an older one ! Whatever I said before is gone now. I think it was just me being a bit of a dick towards Idra so maybe its for the best. :D:D:D
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On March 17 2012 09:09 Bibbit wrote:Okay I need to whine about something I feel really strongly about real quick. You absolutely cannot count both Select and Huk as foreigners. Select is a Korean person with a Korean name and a Korean family who speaks Korean as his first language and was born in Korea and grew up in Korea and has recently been living in Korea. Yes I know it's a run-on sentence. Anyway, the only possible way you could call him a foreigner is that he's been living in the US a lot for the past couple years. But if you want to go that way, Huk's been living in Korea for like the same amount of time. And maybe Violet's a foreigner now ? Sorry, rant. Edit: Whoopsie daisy. I meant to make a second post but I edited over an older one ! Whatever I said before is gone now. I think it was just me being a bit of a dick towards Idra so maybe its for the best. :D:D:D
well i explained why i concider them both foreigners. both learned the game here and only went for training to korea.
select lived in the us for a long time and does live in the US again.
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You accidently put idra 6th and sheth 16th 
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On March 17 2012 09:19 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 09:09 Bibbit wrote:Okay I need to whine about something I feel really strongly about real quick. You absolutely cannot count both Select and Huk as foreigners. Select is a Korean person with a Korean name and a Korean family who speaks Korean as his first language and was born in Korea and grew up in Korea and has recently been living in Korea. Yes I know it's a run-on sentence. Anyway, the only possible way you could call him a foreigner is that he's been living in the US a lot for the past couple years. But if you want to go that way, Huk's been living in Korea for like the same amount of time. And maybe Violet's a foreigner now ? Sorry, rant. Edit: Whoopsie daisy. I meant to make a second post but I edited over an older one ! Whatever I said before is gone now. I think it was just me being a bit of a dick towards Idra so maybe its for the best. :D:D:D well i explained why i concider them both foreigners. both learned the game here and only went for training to korea. select lived in the us for a long time and does live in the US again.
No Huk didn't. He moved to Korea in I think October of 2010, aka 2 months after release. To put it in perspective, in beta and early release, Huk and qxc were pretty big rivals for top NA players (alongside Idra). Huk went to Korea and qxc went to Spain for school. Suddenly Huk is one of the best players in the world and qxc isn't. No disrespect to qxc of course, he pretty barely misses the top 30 foreigners for me.
In short, if you don't think Huk's time in Korea was among the biggest causes (if not the biggest, which I would argue it is), you're frankly delusional.
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On March 17 2012 09:24 Mementoss wrote:You accidently put idra 6th and sheth 16th
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thanks for the responses guys!
most of you concentrate on IdrA being overrated and giving a 2** rating because of it. not that i would care, but thats pretty mean :/
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very pretty. is this supposed to be as of now, or all time?
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On March 17 2012 09:25 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 09:19 KalWarkov wrote:On March 17 2012 09:09 Bibbit wrote:Okay I need to whine about something I feel really strongly about real quick. You absolutely cannot count both Select and Huk as foreigners. Select is a Korean person with a Korean name and a Korean family who speaks Korean as his first language and was born in Korea and grew up in Korea and has recently been living in Korea. Yes I know it's a run-on sentence. Anyway, the only possible way you could call him a foreigner is that he's been living in the US a lot for the past couple years. But if you want to go that way, Huk's been living in Korea for like the same amount of time. And maybe Violet's a foreigner now ? Sorry, rant. Edit: Whoopsie daisy. I meant to make a second post but I edited over an older one ! Whatever I said before is gone now. I think it was just me being a bit of a dick towards Idra so maybe its for the best. :D:D:D well i explained why i concider them both foreigners. both learned the game here and only went for training to korea. select lived in the us for a long time and does live in the US again. No Huk didn't. He moved to Korea in I think October of 2010, aka 2 months after release. To put it in perspective, in beta and early release, Huk and qxc were pretty big rivals for top NA players (alongside Idra). Huk went to Korea and qxc went to Spain for school. Suddenly Huk is one of the best players in the world and qxc isn't. No disrespect to qxc of course, he pretty barely misses the top 30 foreigners for me. In short, if you don't think Huk's time in Korea was among the biggest causes (if not the biggest, which I would argue it is), you're frankly delusional.
well ofc he learned most about sc2 in korea. but hes just there for practicing the game! that doesnt make him korean imo.
lets compare it to this:
An american soldier who is in the rammstein airbase in germany for 3 years - for his work - isnt a german. hes american and he lives here for his work (thats how i see huk).
A korean living some in korea, some in the US despite anything related to his work (in this case, sc2) can in my opinion be concidered both - in fact, he represented North America in several different events (Beta: Europe vs NA - Blizzard invitaiontals: concidered NA player - same for IEM's).
But i understand that you concider one or the other not a foreigner, its ok and shouldnt be talked about too much in this blog imo - everybody has his own view on things since there is no clear answer to it
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On March 17 2012 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
very pretty. is this supposed to be as of now, or all time?
hard to answer - i think its 80% "as of now", since current results count a lot more then long term achievements for this ranking.
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