Idra = 6? Never, more like ~20-30
SeleCT = 7? Nope, has absolutly no results in the past 6 month and btw he is KOREAN!
Jinro = 28? He shouldn't be in the ranking, seriously. There are so many who are waaaay better. (elfi, Haypro, TLO?, BlinG, Naama, delphi, snute.... even players like Illusion, qxc, Goody are probably better)

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

March 17 2012 02:09 GMT

#29

On March 17 2012 10:56 HejaBVB wrote:
Idra = 6? Never, more like ~20-30
SeleCT = 7? Nope, has absolutly no results in the past 6 month and btw he is KOREAN!
Jinro = 28? He shouldn't be in the ranking, seriously. There are so many who are waaaay better. (elfi, Haypro, TLO?, BlinG, Naama, delphi, snute.... even players like Illusion, qxc, Goody are probably better)

i think underrate jinro a bit. its pretty hard to show any results when u are in korea - what did naama show since hes been there, although he performed well before he went to korea?
dont argue about select being a foreigner or not, its not a thread in this blog and we discussed it already. and well, although ladder is not of high value for my ranking, top gm ranks in korea still mean something. and no results is wrong. plus: results arent all, watch his games. in the last 6 months? when were his code A wins.
idra 6, ye i agree his shown skill in the last weeks is rank 20ish. but he deserves more since everyone knows and you can see what hes capable of - and what he achieved in the past.

ty for the answer anyway :D although i dont think you are pretty educated in foreign performances compared to others in this thread

Tomken

Norway1144 Posts

March 17 2012 02:53 GMT

#30

Banjo #1

Flamingo777

United States1190 Posts

March 17 2012 03:06 GMT

#31

This is actually a pretty accurate portrayal of the current Power Rankings imo. Although I do love IdrA, it seems that a few others have outperformed him lately, however I do have confidence he has the potential to be top 5 (Although potential shouldn't be extrapolated into the rankings).

Blennd

United States266 Posts

March 17 2012 03:13 GMT

#32

On March 17 2012 09:09 Bibbit wrote:
Okay I need to whine about something I feel really strongly about real quick.

You absolutely cannot count both Select and Huk as foreigners. Select is a Korean person with a Korean name and a Korean family who speaks Korean as his first language and was born in Korea and grew up in Korea and has recently been living in Korea. Yes I know it's a run-on sentence.

Anyway, the only possible way you could call him a foreigner is that he's been living in the US a lot for the past couple years. But if you want to go that way, Huk's been living in Korea for like the same amount of time. And maybe Violet's a foreigner now ?

Sorry, rant.

Edit: Whoopsie daisy. I meant to make a second post but I edited over an older one ! Whatever I said before is gone now. I think it was just me being a bit of a dick towards Idra so maybe its for the best. :D:D:D

Huk has been living in Korea for less than a year, it was my impression that Select was living in America for like 6-7 years (could be wrong, my point is invalid if I am). That's a pretty massive difference. Also, the reason why so many Koreans are so good at SC2 is because so many Koreans were so good at SC1 (and to a lesser extent, WC3). Koreans have known how to make good RTS players far before SC2. Just because Huk has in fact picked up a lot of his SC2 skill from being in Korea doesn't make him a Korean at all. He isn't a product of the Korean scene. He went there far after it was determined that Korea was the place to be for Starcraft. And I don't know Select's history exactly, but it was my impression that he got good at RTS while he was in America, and was in America during beta and for over a year after release. He wasn't a product of the SC1 "we know how to produce insanely good and hard-working RTS players" machine. I would honestly consider Idra more of a Korean than either Select or Huk.

On topic: I think Idra is a little overrated, and White-ra and Cloud are significantly overrated. Feast, Slush, and Major are underrated imo. Slush has had so few opportunities to prove himself compared to everyone else, but he has shown himself to be very strong in his few appearances.

Divinek

Canada4045 Posts

March 17 2012 03:16 GMT

#33

would be cool if you justified your rankings

RoboBob

United States798 Posts

March 17 2012 03:58 GMT

#34

Results according to current TLPD:

1. Stephano
2. Happy
3. Naniwa
4. Nerchio
5. Titan
6. Ret
7. Sen
8. Thorzain
9. Sheth
10. LiveZerg
11. Huk
12. Mana
13. Slivko
14. XiGua
15. Bratok
16. Monchi
17. Sjow
18. Feast
19. Pomi
20. Diestar
21. DDE
22. Fraer
23. Namhcir
24. Beastyqt
25. Bly

Players from the OP who miss the cutoff: Select, Idra, Kas, Dimaga, Demuslim (although he's close), WhiteRa, Morrow, Grubby, Socke (although he's close), Sjow, Hasuobs, Cloud, Darkforce, Strelok, Nightend (although he's close), Jinro, and Tod.

It's interesting to see that most of the players who made big names for themselves in the past are no longer in the top 25 foreigners in terms of ELO.

Luepert

United States1934 Posts

March 17 2012 05:09 GMT

#35

I agree up to 5. Why are idra and select 6 and 7 when neither have any good recent results, while Kas is 8 with 3rd at iem and sheth is 16 with all kill of EG (including #6 idra, #13 Demu and 2 Koreans)

whatthefat

United States918 Posts

March 17 2012 05:38 GMT

#36

Agree on the top 3 players, although no idea which way I would order them at the moment.

tree.hugger

Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts

March 17 2012 05:53 GMT

#37

Gut reactions:

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1. Stephano
2. HuK
3. NaNiwa
4. Ret
5. ThorZaIN - (No issues with the top five, although I'd hasten to add that all of these guys are really really close. Huge gap between #5 and the rest)
6. IdrA - Much too high
7. SeleCT - A little high
8. Kas
9. DIMAGA - Much too high.
10. SaSe - Too low
11. MaNa
12. Nerchio - Too low
13. DeMusliM - A little high
14. White-Ra - too high
15. Feast - Much too high
16. Sheth - Way too low
17. BRAT_OK - No, no, no. Not in the top 30 at all.
18. MorroW - Too low
19. Grubby - I have no idea about Grubby, some days he's up here, some days he's off the top by a mile.
20. Happy - No idea about Happy either. Online, he's been a beast, offline he's been terrible.
21. Socke
22. SjoW - Another confusing one. Could be up, could be down or off. Dunno.
23. HasuObs - Recent results aside, until Hasu shows us more than one style, I don't think he belongs here
24. ClouD - Not in the top 30
25. DarKFoRcE - I don't think DF is so good, but he keeps winning, so what do I know?
26. Strelok - Not in the top 30
27.NightEnD - A little low
28. Jinro
29. ToD - Too low
30. TITAN - Too low

Deserved to be on this list: Beastyqt 100%, Naama 95%, GosI[Terran] 80%, sLivko 80%, BlinG 50%
I think TLO and HayprO are on here too, but I recognize I'm a little biased on that front.

Criminal omissions from your "Close but no Cigar" list: Livezerg, Abver, LucifroN