Top30 Foreigner Ranking, January 2013

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

February 03 2013 19:02 GMT

About me and the ranking

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Hi TeamLiquid,

I'm DiaBoLuS, a german low gm protoss player in both WoL and HotS. I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings!
Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have? Well, here is a little list of what i look at, from important to less imporant:
- Major Tournament results of the month.
- My impression of the play: how did games look [impressive macrogames / lucky&cheesy], consistency, which opponents (bracket luck?) etc.
- Minor Tournemant / Online Tournament results of the month.
- Activity / Inactivity
- Tournament results of the past / Achievements.
- Ladder standing (bad or non existent stats have no negative value).
- Your votes and „TheBB's“ player rankings.

------ 1.

Stephano ------ 2. (Wiki)

Scarlett ------ 3. (Wiki)

NaNiWa ------
------ 4. (Wiki)

VortiX ------ 5. (Wiki)

Nerchio ------ 6. (Wiki)

Snute ------
------ 7. (Wiki)

Kas ------ 8. (Wiki)

Lucifron ------ 9. (Wiki)

MaNa ------
------ 10. (Wiki)

HuK ------ 11. (Wiki)

ThorZaiN ------ 12. (Wiki)

Grubby ------
------ 13. (Wiki)

Socke ------ 14. (Wiki)

TLO ------ 15. (Wiki)

SaSe ------
------ 16. (Wiki)

SortOf ------ 17. (Wiki)

TitaN ------ 18. (Wiki)

BabyKnight ------
------ 19. (Wiki)

sLivko ------ 20. (Wiki)

goswser ------ 21. (Wiki)

MajOr ------
------ 22. (Wiki)

DeMusliM ------ 23. (Wiki)

Fraer ------ 24. (Wiki)

Suppy ------
------ 25. (Wiki)

IdrA ------ 26. (Wiki)

LoWeLy ------ 27. (Wiki)

HasuObs ------
------ 28. (Wiki)

monchi ------ 29. (Wiki)

XlorD ------ 30. (Wiki)

Bly ------

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Zerg
Dimaga
Ret
ViBe
mOOnGlaDe
KiLLeR
LiveZerg
CatZ

Terran
Happy
BratOK
BeastyQt
Illusion
Naama
DieStar
Masa
GoOdy

Protoss
elfi
NightEnD
Feast
TT1
White-Ra
Minigun

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TOP10
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Poll: TOP 10: Most overrated?

HuK (113)

45%

Scarlett (55)

22%

Stephano (23)

9%

NaNiWa (14)

6%

VortiX (12)

5%

Snute (11)

4%

Nerchio (9)

4%

Kas (7)

3%

MaNa (3)

1%

can't tell (3)

1%

Lucifron (1)

0%

251 total votes

Your vote: TOP 10: Most overrated?

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): can't tell

Poll: TOP 10: Most underrated?

NaNiWa (48)

27%

Kas (33)

19%

Lucifron (26)

15%

MaNa (16)

9%

Stephano (12)

7%

HuK (10)

6%

Nerchio (9)

5%

can't tell (7)

4%

Snute (6)

3%

VortiX (5)

3%

Scarlett (4)

2%

176 total votes

Your vote: TOP 10: Most underrated?

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): can't tell

RANK 11-20
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Poll: Rank 11-20: Most overrated?

goswser (39)

26%

SaSe (28)

18%

TLO (27)

18%

ThorZaiN (19)

13%

Grubby (7)

5%

Socke (6)

4%

SortOf (6)

4%

sLivko (6)

4%

TitaN (5)

3%

BabyKnight (5)

3%

can't tell (4)

3%

152 total votes

Your vote: Rank 11-20: Most overrated?

(Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): can't tell

Poll: Rank 11-20: Most underrated?

BabyKnight (30)

22%

ThorZaiN (28)

20%

SaSe (17)

12%

TLO (15)

11%

Grubby (12)

9%

goswser (12)

9%

Socke (10)

7%

sLivko (6)

4%

TitaN (5)

4%

SortOf (2)

1%

can't tell (2)

1%

139 total votes

Your vote: Rank 11-20: Most underrated?

(Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): can't tell

RANK 21-30
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Poll: Rank 21-30: Most overrated?

IdrA (82)

57%

XlorD (23)

16%

MajOr (10)

7%

DeMusliM (10)

7%

Suppy (8)

6%

Bly (3)

2%

can't tell (3)

2%

LoWeLy (2)

1%

monchi (2)

1%

Fraer (1)

1%

HasuObs (0)

0%

144 total votes

Your vote: Rank 21-30: Most overrated?

(Vote): MajOr
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Fraer
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): LoWeLy
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): monchi
(Vote): XlorD
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): can't tell

Poll: Rank 21-30: Most underrated?

MajOr (35)

28%

DeMusliM (30)

24%

XlorD (17)

14%

IdrA (12)

10%

Suppy (9)

7%

HasuObs (9)

7%

Fraer (5)

4%

monchi (3)

2%

LoWeLy (2)

2%

Bly (2)

2%

can't tell (1)

1%

125 total votes

Your vote: Rank 21-30: Most underrated?

(Vote): MajOr
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Fraer
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): LoWeLy
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): monchi
(Vote): XlorD
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): can't tell

RANK 31-50+
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Poll: Who deserves Top30 the most?

mOOnGlaDe (46)

35%

Dimaga (16)

12%

Minigun (9)

7%

KiLLeR (8)

6%

ViBe (6)

5%

CatZ (6)

5%

GoOdy (6)

5%

elfi (6)

5%

Ret (5)

4%

White-Ra (5)

4%

LiveZerg (3)

2%

Illusion (3)

2%

BratOK (2)

2%

Masa (2)

2%

DieStar (2)

2%

Happy (1)

1%

BeastyQt (1)

1%

Naama (1)

1%

NightEnD (1)

1%

TT1 (1)

1%

Feast (0)

0%

130 total votes

Your vote: Who deserves Top30 the most?

(Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): ViBe
(Vote): LiveZerg
(Vote): KiLLeR
(Vote): CatZ
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): BratOK
(Vote): BeastyQt
(Vote): Illusion
(Vote): Naama
(Vote): GoOdy
(Vote): Masa
(Vote): DieStar
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): NightEnD
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): TT1
(Vote): Minigun

Poll: Who isnt even Top50?

CatZ (40)

41%

White-Ra (13)

13%

TT1 (7)

7%

Minigun (6)

6%

GoOdy (5)

5%

DieStar (5)

5%

Masa (4)

4%

Ret (3)

3%

Naama (3)

3%

Dimaga (2)

2%

ViBe (2)

2%

KiLLeR (2)

2%

BeastyQt (2)

2%

mOOnGlaDe (1)

1%

LiveZerg (1)

1%

elfi (1)

1%

NightEnD (1)

1%

Happy (0)

0%

BratOK (0)

0%

Illusion (0)

0%

Feast (0)

0%

98 total votes

Your vote: Who isnt even Top50?

March 2012
April 2012
May 2012
June 2012
July 2012
August 2012
September 2012
October 2012
November 2012
December 2012 (1)
December 2012 (2)

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If u want explanation of why i ranked specific players as i did, simply write a comment in this thread. Giving an explanation for each and every player would be way too much work for me^^

Please tell ur friends, state ur opinion in this thread, rate the blog and upvote on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17thd5/top30_foreigner_ranking_january_2013/

Also, take a look at the korean ranking from 00Visor:
00Visor's Top30 Koreans (January)

Thanks, I hope u had a nice read!

davidjayhawk

19 Posts

February 03 2013 19:14 GMT

Please don't link to your reddit thread asking for upvotes. It's against reddiquette and reddit site rules.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

February 03 2013 19:20 GMT

You still should put Pomi in the rank 30-50 Protosses imho, having White-Ra, TT1 and Minigun and then not listing Pomi is almost disrespectful.

And even more than Pomi, you need Welmu.

TemujinGK

United States483 Posts

February 03 2013 19:30 GMT

On February 04 2013 04:14 davidjayhawk wrote:
Please don't link to your reddit thread asking for upvotes. It's against reddiquette and reddit site rules.

While this is true, reddiquette has died long ago. If you don't enforce the "down downvote based upon opinion, only on relevance" in your subreddit, it's hard to demand respect for other reddiquette tenants.

davidjayhawk

19 Posts

February 03 2013 19:33 GMT

Reddiquette is not a set of enforced rules, they are suggested guidelines. Other's disregard for them is, in my opinion, not a valid reason to knowingly ignore them yourself.

But, as I said, it's against reddit site rules as well to ask others to go upvote your posts (site-wide admin rules, not subreddit mod rules).

Luepert

United States1934 Posts

February 03 2013 19:36 GMT

I like how slivko is still on there after doing legit nothing. And Higher than Goswser, who 3-0'd MVP and almost beat life.

Tosster

Poland299 Posts

February 03 2013 19:36 GMT

"- Tournament results of the past / Achievements." This should be exluded if you want to release monthly rankings. Also i know there is poll, but i must say it... Huk?

ELA

Denmark4608 Posts

February 03 2013 19:44 GMT

Fuck, I voted overrated player as underrated and underrated as overrated T.T

I dont wanna poll anymore

MrFrenchy

Canada37 Posts

February 03 2013 19:55 GMT

I think Kas is too high and Major is too low.

nomyx

United States2205 Posts

February 03 2013 19:58 GMT

#10

Huk has a green -6

cchily13

70 Posts

February 03 2013 20:00 GMT

#11

Really happy to see Masa up there, kids a sick player.

Zealo

Australia40 Posts

February 03 2013 20:04 GMT

#12

you have CatZ above Sen? :S

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

February 03 2013 20:16 GMT

#13

On February 04 2013 05:04 Zealo wrote:
you have CatZ above Sen? :S

When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.

GenetiXSc2

United States2 Posts

February 03 2013 20:38 GMT

#14

i would prob knock MaNa Huk and Kas out of top ten and Replace them with Grubby, Socke, ThorZain. And Bump DeMusliM who is looking really Strong in HoTs so is ThorZain omg both are Clutch as Fuck IMO

Fuell

Netherlands3111 Posts

February 03 2013 20:43 GMT

#15

Wow, EmpireHappy so underrated, that guy is a beast and he has 0 votes lol! He wipes most of top30.

HyyeRforAiuR

United States20 Posts

February 03 2013 20:43 GMT

#16

On February 04 2013 05:04 Zealo wrote:
you have CatZ above Sen? :S

I don't think Sen is considered a foreigner really

GregMandel

France822 Posts

February 03 2013 20:50 GMT

#17

Imo Huk is barely top 30 ( don't ask me why, I never liked him as a player and as an individual even in liquid )

And grubby should be higher, probably 10th instead of Huk.
Also, dimaga should be top 30, even though I don't think he's got much results recently, I'd bet he can still take games to anyone in this top 30.

But otherwise I pretty much agree. That's a ton of zergs tho XD

MountainGoat

United States508 Posts

February 03 2013 21:27 GMT

#18

On February 04 2013 05:50 GregMandel wrote:
Imo Huk is barely top 30 ( don't ask me why, I never liked him as a player and as an individual even in liquid )

Power rankings aren't about whether or not you like them.

Shellshock

United States97277 Posts

February 03 2013 21:32 GMT

#19

I'm glad to see Goswser make the list. I expect him to start moving up in the next few months. He seems to be a solid rising talent.

dsousa

United States1363 Posts

February 03 2013 21:37 GMT

#20

I think this is a well put together list, it is really hard to find many faults with it.

That being said, I was just thinking what an overall sad state the Foreign scene in SC2 has become. Stephano is two notches above everyone else on that list and even he can't get playing time in Proleague or advance in the GSL.

By the time you get to double digits on the foreigner list, you're talking about people who CANNOT even make GM on the Korean ladder.

Foreigners need to step it up, otherwise Hots is going to flounder.....

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