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Thanks for the ranking again, here are my thoughts:
Minigun and TT1 in the top-50 but not EmpireSiw? I have to disagree with that one, the guy is a beast lately, he probably deserves top-30, but top-50 at least.
And GoOdy probably deserves top-30 as well by now, I know you base your ranking mostly on gamplay/opponents, but being the highest earning foreigner, the second highest earning terran and and the 7th highest earning player in january has to mean something. And in Zotac he performes better as well now, getting to the semis 2 times, defeating Goswser, Tefel, Real, Dayshi, Siw and Welmu in his runs.
Otherwise it seems quite well done, other than Scarlett still being overrated I don´t see probelms in the actual ranking.
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On February 04 2013 15:03 lightrise wrote:
I agree with almost everyone about suppy. Dude has been ridiculously underrated for a while now and with the lul in his tournament appearances its hard to measure him up. Overall though he smashes lots of foreigners.
His last tournament, the HyperX thingy in Vegas, didn't go so well, that probably dragged him down a bit.
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Thorzain third best foreign terran, Huk better than Thorzain, Slivko better than Goswser, Idra better than...anyone. Seems legit.
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top 4 are scarlett naniwa major stephano and the rest of the players dont matter, theres too much variance to say whos better than who
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I feel like Goswer, babyknight and thorzain are better than TLO by a margin.
I think Major also is better than most people would realise. It's just he doesn't have much high standing in tournaments
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Why is everyone so high on Major?
Judging by his results he is pretty lucky to be in the Top30.
http://aligulac.com/players/184/results/
Overall good ranking. My korean ranking will probably follow today or tomorrow.
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thanks for over 10k views! just wow 
no ranking till mid march, not enough HotS results yet.
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huk has -6 but it's green.
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On March 03 2013 07:03 9-BiT wrote:
huk has -6 but it's green.
oh thanks, it was +6 last month (im i remember correctly, due to ipl korean qualifier??)
@TT1: sry, but comparing Vortix, Lucifron and Kas to MajOr, u simply have no point in him being top 4.
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On March 03 2013 07:01 KalWarkov wrote:thanks for over 10k views! just wow no ranking till mid march, not enough HotS results yet.
You could've just done WoL, most of the players in the top 30 still played some or many matches (RSL/Vasacast Invitational/aAa Pro Challenge/ZOTAC finals, Gladiators Arena, Cascade Clan League, Assembly, IPL qualifiers etc). =p
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On February 04 2013 04:20 StarVe wrote:You still should put Pomi in the rank 30-50 Protosses imho, having White-Ra, TT1 and Minigun and then not listing Pomi is almost disrespectful.  And even more than Pomi, you need Welmu.
yeah i agree about welmu
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On March 05 2013 09:27 E.L.V.I.S wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 04:20 StarVe wrote:You still should put Pomi in the rank 30-50 Protosses imho, having White-Ra, TT1 and Minigun and then not listing Pomi is almost disrespectful. And even more than Pomi, you need Welmu. yeah i agree about welmu
ye, i noticed welmus performances, i even watched his streams a couple of times.
Im thinking about releasing one after IEM, maybe i w8 for after MLG though.
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XLord, SortOf and Vortix shouldn't be on the list. Snute is way too high up. Why not have sasquatch at no.1 while we're at it?
Very few of these are consistent successful progamers. Scarlett lost in an open bracket for an IPL and won WCS Canada a while ago, dominating the likes of TT1. Number 2? XLord beat stephano once, Vortix did about as well as any other zerg in WoL after the queen patch for about a month.
The list just seems like a who's who of who's hot in the last 30 days, and not like a serious power ranking... Who deserves it in my book? Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Kas who hasn't really had tournament success as such, but consistently beats qualifiers and appears in group play as well as holding top 5 GM spots in EU.
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This seems like a popularity list more than an accurate measure of who is performing well.
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On March 09 2013 10:52 ninazerg wrote:
This seems like a popularity list more than an accurate measure of who is performing well.
How come? I think it was pretty accurate in February, apart from maybe Naniwa on three.
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On March 09 2013 20:54 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 10:52 ninazerg wrote:
This seems like a popularity list more than an accurate measure of who is performing well. How come? I think it was pretty accurate in February, apart from maybe Naniwa on three.
I disagree. Vortix shouldn't even be on the list, let alone number freaking 4. He came fourth in 2 IEMs as an unknown and second in Europe regionals, all during a time when Zergs were winning everything, and sniper was winning a GSL. Literally every single one of his results, including ones outside of premier LANS, was in that 3 month period between 08 and 12.
Compare to Naniwa, GSL player who won 3 MLG, came second in 2 more MLG, 4th blizzcon, 2nd TSl 3, 2nd in two homestory cups, 1st BDL, 2nd battle.net european invitiational, all spread out from the end of beta until today....
...HOW IS HE LOWER RANKED THAN VORTIX? EDIT: He's not... but it's close.
in fact, looking at their liquidpedia page, Kas has more impressive results than Vortix. Xlord on this power ranking....3rd homestory cup. That's literally his achievements. Yet he's higher than so many accomplished progamers who are much more likely to achieve in the future.
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On March 09 2013 10:39 FatNikE wrote:
XLord, SortOf and Vortix shouldn't be on the list. Snute is way too high up. Why not have sasquatch at no.1 while we're at it?
Very few of these are consistent successful progamers. Scarlett lost in an open bracket for an IPL and won WCS Canada a while ago, dominating the likes of TT1. Number 2? XLord beat stephano once, Vortix did about as well as any other zerg in WoL after the queen patch for about a month.
The list just seems like a who's who of who's hot in the last 30 days, and not like a serious power ranking... Who deserves it in my book? Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Kas who hasn't really had tournament success as such, but consistently beats qualifiers and appears in group play as well as holding top 5 GM spots in EU.
I agree xlord shouldn't be on the list skill wise but his HSC performance was really good so it makes sense to list him. vortix/sortf definitely should be on the list, how can you even doubt that
also I dont think Kas top 5 gm spot is relevant here Lol.. there are a ton of people including players you've never heard of who can be rank 5 consistenly if they want to
vortix wasn't bad before his big splash, he was one of the best europeans since early 2011 or something, just never played tournaments before that
just because you dont know a player before he wins some event everyone and his dog watches it doesnt mean a player is bad/unknown
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On March 10 2013 05:57 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 10:39 FatNikE wrote:
XLord, SortOf and Vortix shouldn't be on the list. Snute is way too high up. Why not have sasquatch at no.1 while we're at it?
Very few of these are consistent successful progamers. Scarlett lost in an open bracket for an IPL and won WCS Canada a while ago, dominating the likes of TT1. Number 2? XLord beat stephano once, Vortix did about as well as any other zerg in WoL after the queen patch for about a month.
The list just seems like a who's who of who's hot in the last 30 days, and not like a serious power ranking... Who deserves it in my book? Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Kas who hasn't really had tournament success as such, but consistently beats qualifiers and appears in group play as well as holding top 5 GM spots in EU. I agree xlord shouldn't be on the list skill wise but his HSC performance was really good so it makes sense to list him. vortix/sortf definitely should be on the list, how can you even doubt that also I dont think Kas top 5 gm spot is relevant here Lol.. there are a ton of people including players you've never heard of who can be rank 5 consistenly if they want to vortix wasn't bad before his big splash, he was one of the best europeans since early 2011 or something, just never played tournaments before that just because you dont know a player before he wins some event everyone and his dog watches it doesnt mean a player is bad/unknown
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Players practice on ladder. Just saying "They'd be rank 1 GM if they wanted to" doesn't mean anything and it's not true. What I'm saying is a player who never made top 15 on ladder happening to get to ro8 once in one tournament during the height of a race's imbalance does not justify them being on a top 10 power ranking compared to a player who's been top 5 on ladder for years and has made the group stages and higher for multiple major tournaments.
"Just never played tournaments before that"
Oh, they weren't of mediocre skill, they just never played tournaments, or ladder, or did anything else that would get them noticed before the queen change. That's a coincidence that makes sense.
I doubt that Vortix, Sortof, etc should be on the list because all they have is one or two tournaments in which they made it past the group stages. It could've been any GM level zerg at that point, it just happened to be them. It doesn't justify them being on a list.
I'm just saying, a couple of random zerg players who never did good on ladder, tournaments, or anywhere else in the competitive scene suddenly becoming good enough to place high in a single tournament with some luck right after a major zerg buff doesn't justify them being on a "TOP FOREIGNER!!!" list. That's like putting a couple of people who happened to not get hit by a bus when a tragedy happened on a "top survivor" list, right next to bear grylls.
They were relatively bad before, and after HoTS they'll fade back into obscurity most likely too.
I could be wrong, but the fact is still that they have yet to prove themselves! If they continue to win anything at all outside of a 1-2 month period, then by all means put them on a list like this.
But the way this list seems to function, if I were to randomly enter a tournament and get Taeja first round and beat him off of pure luck and chance with a 6pool, I'd then appear as the 25th best foreigner in next month's edition of this power ranking, despite being a crappy mid master player. A long shot, but it could happen.
If Vortix was a top foreigner, he wouldn't be on Karont3. But the real big pro teams know he won't make it past another group stage as soon as the random queen frenzy he got picked up in by happy chance ends.
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On March 09 2013 21:22 FatNikE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 20:54 StarVe wrote:On March 09 2013 10:52 ninazerg wrote:
This seems like a popularity list more than an accurate measure of who is performing well. How come? I think it was pretty accurate in February, apart from maybe Naniwa on three. I disagree. Vortix shouldn't even be on the list, let alone number freaking 4. He came fourth in 2 IEMs as an unknown and second in Europe regionals, all during a time when Zergs were winning everything, and sniper was winning a GSL. Literally every single one of his results, including ones outside of premier LANS, was in that 3 month period between 08 and 12. Compare to Naniwa, GSL player who won 3 MLG, came second in 2 more MLG, 4th blizzcon, 2nd TSl 3, 2nd in two homestory cups, 1st BDL, 2nd battle.net european invitiational, all spread out from the end of beta until today.... ...HOW IS HE LOWER RANKED THAN VORTIX? EDIT: He's not... but it's close. in fact, looking at their liquidpedia page, Kas has more impressive results than Vortix. Xlord on this power ranking....3rd homestory cup. That's literally his achievements. Yet he's higher than so many accomplished progamers who are much more likely to achieve in the future.
So, applying this logic, you have IdrA and HuK very, very highly ranked, correct? You're essentially saying that players should be ranked based upon their career results rather than recent ones, which seems silly.
EDIT: On March 09 2013 10:39 FatNikE wrote:
The list just seems like a who's who of who's hot in the last 30 days, and not like a serious power ranking... Who deserves it in my book? Naniwa, Stephano, Nerchio, Kas who hasn't really had tournament success as such, but consistently beats qualifiers and appears in group play as well as holding top 5 GM spots in EU.
So, not only do you think a power ranking, which in almost all cases includes the hottest players playing the best games at the time, premise is a farce, but you want to rank on LADDER? Are you joking?
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