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Top30 Foreigner Ranking, January 2013 - Page 2

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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-03 21:39:33
February 03 2013 21:38 GMT
#21
Goswser fighting !

I agree with most of this ranking, seems quite accurate (not 100% but nothing really shocking) even if it's not based on real stats but pretty much on results and general feeling. You just made a typo on HuK's picture (you wrote -6 in place of +6).

On February 04 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I'm glad to see Goswser make the list. I expect him to start moving up in the next few months. He seems to be a solid rising talent.

And he rocks on HotS !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
February 03 2013 21:38 GMT
#22
I think suppy should be placed way higher.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
February 03 2013 21:38 GMT
#23
Gogogo Canadian SC2 :D
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InstantKarma
Profile Joined November 2010
United States205 Posts
February 03 2013 21:52 GMT
#24
On February 04 2013 06:38 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
I think suppy should be placed way higher.


Yea, surprised at how low suppy and demuslim are.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
February 03 2013 22:01 GMT
#25
How do so many people think IdrA is overrated at 25? I think he's underrated there TBH. Hasn't done much recently because there hasn't been much to do other than IEM and Iron Squid but he's transitioning to HotS and his results before this period were good.
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
February 03 2013 22:33 GMT
#26
Naniwa 3rd? Dude hasn't even played in a tournament in ages, the last ones he did play in he lost badly.
I could spend a while with that smile
Savant.GL
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany502 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-03 22:56:29
February 03 2013 22:54 GMT
#27
On February 04 2013 06:37 dsousa wrote:
I think this is a well put together list, it is really hard to find many faults with it.

That being said, I was just thinking what an overall sad state the Foreign scene in SC2 has become. Stephano is two notches above everyone else on that list and even he can't get playing time in Proleague or advance in the GSL.

By the time you get to double digits on the foreigner list, you're talking about people who CANNOT even make GM on the Korean ladder.

Foreigners need to step it up, otherwise Hots is going to flounder.....


I agree that Stephano is probably the best foreigner but honestly not advancing in GSL can't be something to judge someones skill level because GSL is so fucking hard. Look at who else didn't advance. MVP, Sniper (who won it last year), Hyun ( who got the runner up), Leenock ( who is on fire recently ).

And Ladder is basically meaningless, the GM ladder locks and sometimes there aren't spots available.


Naniwa 3rd? Dude hasn't even played in a tournament in ages, the last ones he did play in he lost badly.


Yeh it's this dudes power ranking, his criteria , his opinion
Savant
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-03 23:18:36
February 03 2013 23:17 GMT
#28
On February 04 2013 05:43 Dronk wrote:
Wow, EmpireHappy so underrated, that guy is a beast and he has 0 votes lol! He wipes most of top30.


When has he ever done well in a notable tournament?

Anyway, really hard month to do a ranking in. Unlike last month, I have no idea how good the various pros are. Not too many tournaments lately.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
February 03 2013 23:17 GMT
#29
DRG said Scarlett was better than Stephano so I think Scarlett is better
#TheOneTrueDong
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
February 03 2013 23:19 GMT
#30
It's definitely possible, but it's still fair to rank Stephano higher since he's actually had a lot of first place victories in international tournaments. For all her skill, Scarlett hasn't really accomplished that much.
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
February 03 2013 23:48 GMT
#31
Huk's says -6 but is in green.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 04 2013 00:35 GMT
#32
On February 04 2013 08:48 Depetrify wrote:
Huk's says -6 but is in green.

It's meant to be +6 obviously, he made Code S in January.
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
February 04 2013 00:47 GMT
#33
IdrA at 25? He 4-0d his group at WCS and took a game off a super hot Rain. People are just haters.
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland418 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 00:59:05
February 04 2013 00:58 GMT
#34
On February 04 2013 09:47 BlackPanther wrote:
IdrA at 25? He 4-0d his group at WCS and took a game off a super hot Rain. People are just haters.


Indeed, he's achieved more than anyone from 11-30 except Thorzain and yet people vote him the most overrated.
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
February 04 2013 01:32 GMT
#35
I dont know, i dont agree with so many placings here that I dont take this ranking too seriously. Only one point that I would like to make is about Mana. He is the best foreigner protoss nowadays, why is he not recognized at all? I mean no.9 is really low for someone who has beat high level koreans and has two majors.
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
February 04 2013 01:59 GMT
#36
On February 04 2013 07:33 sickoota wrote:
Naniwa 3rd? Dude hasn't even played in a tournament in ages, the last ones he did play in he lost badly.

He won the European IPL qualifier
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
February 04 2013 04:54 GMT
#37
Really, Kas in the top 10? I hate to be rude, but he hasn't done squat in a long time. Yeah sure he has a LOT of experience on the ladder, and he plays in online tournies, but when was the last time he had a major accomplishment. Other than that I could see IdrA a bit higher, but where you have him isn't ludicrous.
dreaming of a sunny day
sambo400
Profile Joined March 2011
United States378 Posts
February 04 2013 04:58 GMT
#38
Goswser is 15 imo. He's better than every person in his row anyway
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
February 04 2013 05:39 GMT
#39
On February 04 2013 13:54 packrat386 wrote:
Really, Kas in the top 10? I hate to be rude, but he hasn't done squat in a long time. Yeah sure he has a LOT of experience on the ladder, and he plays in online tournies, but when was the last time he had a major accomplishment. Other than that I could see IdrA a bit higher, but where you have him isn't ludicrous.


kas did pretty well at iem.
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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
February 04 2013 06:03 GMT
#40
I agree with almost everyone about suppy. Dude has been ridiculously underrated for a while now and with the lul in his tournament appearances its hard to measure him up. Overall though he smashes lots of foreigners.
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
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