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Top30 Foreigner Ranking, May 2013

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 22:31:50
May 12 2013 22:23 GMT
#1
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Please tell ur friends, state ur opinion in this thread, rate the blog and go on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1e7hbt/top30_foreigner_ranking_may_2013/




About me and the ranking

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Hi TeamLiquid (and reddit),

I'm DiaBoLuS, a german gm mmr protoss player in HotS, former acutal HotS GM and 6 time GM in WoL. I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings!
Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.


How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have?
My personal ranking watches mostly on results, but also on how they where achieved. Also, ladder-performances as well as past, major results play a role in my ranking – as well as my general impression of a player (does he seem talented / cheesy / cant seem show off his full potential somehow). Activity obviously also plays a role – you cant call a player you never get to see one of the absolute best in my opinion.


Ranking system:
roughly
75% = my own rank /// 25% = aligulac.com rank.
both ranks will be shown in the players pictures, comulating in one rank.

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30* means 30+ or rank 30-40.

Also, only the Top30 players will be shown, not the 20-25 players following. There will possibly be a small list of the 5 players coming the closest to Top30.

So when criticizing the ranking, please talk specifically about my personal rank given, not the comulated rank, since the aligulac rank isnt influenced by me

too make things easier:
(my own rank [3x] / aligulac rank [1x])






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Players that came closest to Top 30

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Dayshi
Verdi
Ret
Fraer
HeroMaRinE








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TOP 10
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Poll: Who is the best foreigner?

NaNiWa (73)
 
52%

Lucifron (41)
 
29%

Stephano (26)
 
19%

140 total votes

Your vote: Who is the best foreigner?

(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): Stephano





Poll: Top 10: Most overrated?

Lucifron (45)
 
42%

Kas (9)
 
8%

SaSe (9)
 
8%

Scarlett (8)
 
8%

Stephano (7)
 
7%

Snute (6)
 
6%

can't decide (6)
 
6%

VortiX (5)
 
5%

NaNiWa (4)
 
4%

Happy (4)
 
4%

Nerchio (3)
 
3%

106 total votes

Your vote: Top 10: Most overrated?

(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): can't decide





Poll: Top 10: Most underrated?

Scarlett (20)
 
24%

SaSe (19)
 
22%

Snute (11)
 
13%

Kas (7)
 
8%

Happy (6)
 
7%

NaNiWa (5)
 
6%

VortiX (4)
 
5%

Nerchio (4)
 
5%

Lucifron (3)
 
4%

Stephano (3)
 
4%

can't decide (3)
 
4%

85 total votes

Your vote: Top 10: Most underrated?

(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): can't decide





RANK 11-20
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Poll: Top 20: Most overrated?

ThorZaiN (19)
 
30%

Bly (9)
 
14%

DeMusliM (7)
 
11%

mOOnGlaDe (7)
 
11%

TLO (5)
 
8%

Grubby (5)
 
8%

Feast (3)
 
5%

Suppy (3)
 
5%

MaNa (2)
 
3%

BabyKnight (2)
 
3%

can't decide (1)
 
2%

63 total votes

Your vote: Top 20: Most overrated?

(Vote): TLO
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): can't decide





Poll: Top 20: Most underrated?

Suppy (19)
 
30%

TLO (17)
 
27%

DeMusliM (10)
 
16%

mOOnGlaDe (6)
 
9%

Grubby (5)
 
8%

BabyKnight (4)
 
6%

Feast (2)
 
3%

Bly (1)
 
2%

MaNa (0)
 
0%

ThorZaiN (0)
 
0%

can't decide (0)
 
0%

64 total votes

Your vote: Top 20: Most underrated?

(Vote): TLO
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): can't decide





RANK 21-30
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Top 30: Most overrated?

HuK (22)
 
40%

Bunny (12)
 
22%

goswser (5)
 
9%

SortOf (4)
 
7%

TitaN (4)
 
7%

Socke (2)
 
4%

Dimaga (2)
 
4%

Strelok (1)
 
2%

HasuObs (1)
 
2%

Welmu (1)
 
2%

can't decide (1)
 
2%

55 total votes

Your vote: Top 30: Most overrated?

(Vote): Strelok
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): Bunny
(Vote): Welmu
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): can't decide





Poll: Top 30: Most underrated?

HuK (13)
 
24%

SortOf (12)
 
22%

Dimaga (8)
 
15%

HasuObs (4)
 
7%

Socke (4)
 
7%

Bunny (3)
 
6%

Welmu (3)
 
6%

goswser (3)
 
6%

Strelok (2)
 
4%

TitaN (1)
 
2%

can't decide (1)
 
2%

54 total votes

Your vote: Top 30: Most underrated?

(Vote): Strelok
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): Bunny
(Vote): Welmu
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): can't decide









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December 2012 (1)
December 2012 (2)
January 2013
March 2013
April 2013






Thanks, I hope u had a nice read!




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DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 23:24:00
May 12 2013 23:23 GMT
#2
stop mentioning fraer as coming close, you're breaking my heart

he may have maintained a decent rank in aligulac, but that's because he hasn't played enough to lose points

I mean, he's played like five ladder games in the last two weeks and lost 0-2 0-4 in some Russian tourney he got invited to, I assure you that he isn't even close to coming close to top 30.
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
May 12 2013 23:26 GMT
#3
On May 13 2013 08:23 StarVe wrote:
stop mentioning fraer as coming close, you're breaking my heart

he may have maintained a decent rank in aligulac, but that's because he hasn't played enough to lose points

I mean, he's played like five ladder games in the last two weeks and lost 0-2 0-4 in some Russian tourney he got invited to, I assure you that he isn't even close to coming close to top 30.


rip in peace fraer
UK TrackMania Champion | Former SC2 player | http://www.twitter.com/Sabre_CS
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 12 2013 23:28 GMT
#4
On May 13 2013 08:23 StarVe wrote:
stop mentioning fraer as coming close, you're breaking my heart

he may have maintained a decent rank in aligulac, but that's because he hasn't played enough to lose points

I mean, he's played like five ladder games in the last two weeks and lost 0-2 0-4 in some Russian tourney he got invited to, I assure you that he isn't even close to coming close to top 30.


well, replace him with BlinG in your mind then, he would be the next player following
doesnt alligulac lower the points when a player is inactive for too long? if not, thats a bit sad :/
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 23:40:06
May 12 2013 23:35 GMT
#5
On May 13 2013 08:28 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 08:23 StarVe wrote:
stop mentioning fraer as coming close, you're breaking my heart

he may have maintained a decent rank in aligulac, but that's because he hasn't played enough to lose points

I mean, he's played like five ladder games in the last two weeks and lost 0-2 0-4 in some Russian tourney he got invited to, I assure you that he isn't even close to coming close to top 30.


well, replace him with BlinG in your mind then, he would be the next player following
doesnt alligulac lower the points when a player is inactive for too long? if not, thats a bit sad :/

if a player hasn't done anything for a certain period of time they simply hide him afaik and if he then plays again they make him visible again and give him a higher uncertainty rating or something

fraer has been playing in a tourney every three weeks or so, but he simply doesn't train and therefore loses all the time

the DotA curse :D
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 12 2013 23:50 GMT
#6
On May 13 2013 08:35 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 08:28 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 13 2013 08:23 StarVe wrote:
stop mentioning fraer as coming close, you're breaking my heart

he may have maintained a decent rank in aligulac, but that's because he hasn't played enough to lose points

I mean, he's played like five ladder games in the last two weeks and lost 0-2 0-4 in some Russian tourney he got invited to, I assure you that he isn't even close to coming close to top 30.


well, replace him with BlinG in your mind then, he would be the next player following
doesnt alligulac lower the points when a player is inactive for too long? if not, thats a bit sad :/

if a player hasn't done anything for a certain period of time they simply hide him afaik and if he then plays again they make him visible again and give him a higher uncertainty rating or something

fraer has been playing in a tourney every three weeks or so, but he simply doesn't train and therefore loses all the time

the DotA curse :D


i know that he plays dota, i randomly played against him in matchmaking
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 12 2013 23:54 GMT
#7
It's gotta be nani
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 11:34:25
May 13 2013 08:40 GMT
#8
--scrap that--
Cj hero | Zest
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 13 2013 10:26 GMT
#9
On May 13 2013 08:28 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 08:23 StarVe wrote:
stop mentioning fraer as coming close, you're breaking my heart

he may have maintained a decent rank in aligulac, but that's because he hasn't played enough to lose points

I mean, he's played like five ladder games in the last two weeks and lost 0-2 0-4 in some Russian tourney he got invited to, I assure you that he isn't even close to coming close to top 30.


well, replace him with BlinG in your mind then, he would be the next player following
doesnt alligulac lower the points when a player is inactive for too long? if not, thats a bit sad :/

After being inactive for a long enough period we remove him untill he plays again.
You have to play a decent amount of games to keep the uncertainty down though.
High uncertainty means that a single loss will lose you a lot of points.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
May 13 2013 10:52 GMT
#10
I think Verdi should be in top 30, and Naniwa 1st.
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 11:11:33
May 13 2013 11:02 GMT
#11
ye, i have nani on 1, luci on 2, but as you can see:

Lucifron is first on aligulac
Naniwa is 10th on aligulac.

That catapults Lucifron to rank 1!

You can see this by knowing this

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Although i have to say that i am a bit surpised about everyone agreeing on Naniwa being first - you cant forget that TLO 2-0ed him in WCS groupstage.

My personal top 10 wouldve looked like this nevertheless (without counting in aligulac):
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1. NaNiWa
2. Lucifron
3. Stephano
4. SaSe
5. Scarlett
6. VortiX
7. Kas
8. MaNa
9. Nerchio
10. TLO




Here the aligulac foreigner ranking for you (might have already changed from yesterday a tiny bit, and again, note that i exclude chinese/taiwanese):

http://www.aligulac.com/periods/84/?page=1&sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=foreigners



Oh - and to some guys:
read the introduction before posting on reddit!



thanks for all the feedback, will try to keep it up!
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
clementdudu
Profile Joined September 2010
France819 Posts
May 13 2013 16:26 GMT
#12
when was the last time stephano wasnt first?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 13 2013 18:02 GMT
#13
On May 14 2013 01:26 clementdudu wrote:
when was the last time stephano wasnt first?

never happened before
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 19:27:16
May 15 2013 19:27 GMT
#14
Poll: Who is the best foreigner?

NaNiWa (73)
 
52%

Lucifron (41)
 
29%

Stephano (26)
 
19%

140 total votes

Your vote: Who is the best foreigner?

(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): Stephano



So what now? :p
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
May 15 2013 20:08 GMT
#15
Why is Kas so highly placed? I think overall he has gotten a bit weaker compared to WOL. Similar things might be said about Scarlett (though it`s mostly her wrists).
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 16 2013 00:31 GMT
#16
On May 16 2013 05:08 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Why is Kas so highly placed? I think overall he has gotten a bit weaker compared to WOL. Similar things might be said about Scarlett (though it`s mostly her wrists).

he's done quite well this week, 2-0 SortOf, 2-0 MC, 3-1 TheStC, 2-0 Stephano, 5-1 Happy, etc.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 17 2013 11:47 GMT
#17
I think Heromarine should definitly be in there, at Eizo Cup, he went 7-7 in a group with Kas, Stephano, Bly, Grubby and Krass and finished above everyone but Kas there. After that he beat Socke and lost to Lucifron only 3-2, and made it a lot closer, than MVP was able to. Other than that, it looks quite ok, Happy could maybe be a bit higher, but the ranking was written before his WCS group. Also Sase may be a bit to high.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 05 2013 12:51 GMT
#18
new ranking on friday!
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
June 05 2013 22:46 GMT
#19
Looking forward to it since WCS has shaken the EU scene up bit quite a bit.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 07 2013 20:01 GMT
#20
cant make it today, has to be done on sunday.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
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