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Kairo
Sweden184 Posts
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
About my Pyo vote: I stated that I am really confused who to vote and did not think about it well enough,so I voted on Pyo as placeholder,so my vote doesn't cause too much harm. Since there are like 3 guys who are suspects I will skim through their posts in a while. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
Looking at the voting, there are only 2 people who have been consistently waiting until the last hour to vote: freeloader and Munk-E freeloader did vote for iGrok, so I'm a little less suspicious of him, but if you combine the late posting with his lurking and his post history, I think Munk-E might be one of the remaining mafia. post history: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd Day 3 - grush57 analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd excuse for not posting This post by iGrok also adds further suspicion in my opinion. For one, it reveals that Munk-E's accusation of lafali came at a point where a lynch of someone else was inevitable and lafali was about to get modkilled. Also, it is curious that iGrok would respond to this post. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 14 2011 01:39 Pyo wrote: A post by TheAwesomeAll in the mafia ban list. From this post it would seem as though mafia like to wait till the last minute to place their votes. Considering lafali also tried doing this (but was too late), I think it might be reasonable to assume that mafia might be doing this as a general policy. Looking at the voting, there are only 2 people who have been consistently waiting until the last hour to vote: freeloader and Munk-E freeloader did vote for iGrok, so I'm a little less suspicious of him, but if you combine the late posting with his lurking and his post history, I think Munk-E might be one of the remaining mafia. post history: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd Day 3 - grush57 analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd excuse for not posting This post by iGrok also adds further suspicion in my opinion. For one, it reveals that Munk-E's accusation of lafali came at a point where a lynch of someone else was inevitable and lafali was about to get modkilled. Also, it is curious that iGrok would respond to this post. I wonder why freeloader still did not help us in any way. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 13 2011 06:31 TheAwesomeAll wrote: This post is scum 101, Let me summarize it. im gonna vote for grush He plays a certain way, but that doesnt mean shit he votes a certain way, (insert conclusion?) Oh and btw gtrsr why do you suspect me, plz suspect treadmill instead or else ur scum Where did you conclude grush57 was mafia? Normally i would agree he is scum, just for posting bad, but grookie and jimbooo show that since this is a newbie game, not everyone will post as constructive. Also the day 1 posts of grtrs, whining about the haikus, was just asking for votes( in fact he literally asked for votes). Please explain again why you think grush is scum. That being said, you surely deserve your place on my FOS list : Treadmill Grush Vain This post by AwesomeAll one of the mafia who was modkilled decreases my suspicion for Treadmill and Vain. I don't think he was planning to get mod-killed and he knew that Grush was about to be lynched so that was a safe bet. However, there's no reason to throw any of his remaining 2 mafia buddies under the bus before the lynch has even happened yet. Thus, I'm going to say that Treadmill and Vain are both town. On June 13 2011 09:50 35spike1 wrote: Lol, what a scum post. Apoligising for lack of activity, happily stating that he'll jump on the Grush bandwagon, and explaining that he can't be bothered checking out Grush's posts. Similar reasoning here for Alderan. I doubt 35spike1 realized he was about to get mod-killed since he was posting in this thread, but seems wants us to suspect Alderan. On June 13 2011 14:47 heist wrote: All 3 mafia who died this day voted for amazingxkcd. I think it's a safe assumption that NO mafia voted for iGrok. I think we should continue this game based on this assumption. Treadmill Alderan Blackone Aprudds Munk-E These are the only ones left on that list. Vain and teamsolid are the ones who voted for Jackal and thus of lower priority but still possibilities. The ones on the list should be your DT targets. The remaining suspects (who didn't vote iGrok) are Blackone, Aprudds, Munk-E, heist and myself. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 13 2011 09:18 grush57 wrote: I would like to inform you all, that Vain is definetly Town by the way he is acting, voting, and playing. On the other hand, grush made this post AFTER it was already almost certain he was about to get lynched. Seems to me like he wants to mislead us into thinking Vain is mafia (rather than a different target) by defending him moments before getting lynched. Again, I'd take from this that Vain is NOT mafia. On June 13 2011 09:47 35spike1 wrote: I don't remember that, I think we're still unsure of Senj. I'm not sure about Treadmill, but he said he'll give us an analysis of Alderan so that'll be interesting. Kairo seems a bit lurky, + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2011 11:06 Kairo wrote: I feel that we were lucky that we did not get a third townie kill with misvigies, since it would have caused huge amounts of confusion. How likely is it that iGrok and xkcd is on the same team? What would it mean if a) iGrok flips green? b) iGrok flips red? c) xkcd flips green? d) xkcd flips red? My current vote stands for xkcd, but i can still be convinced to change. If any mafia try to affect the grok/xkcd vote situation they will have to leave footprints, which is useful. Is there any 95%+ identified mafia in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use our vigies on? Is there any 95%+ identified BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOR MAFIA medic target in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use? Do NOT out blues for the mafia. There is no need to do any analysis for them. For some of this to be relevant: when does abilites resolve? is it by timer or simuntaneusly at the end of the night? when does medic/vigi PM timing (early/late) matter? I believe this is potentially a double-edged sword, since stressing a decision for mafia could be useful while a premature medic/vigi decision could be really really bad. What would be nice would be to force a win/win situation for the town, but I can not see such a path clearly at this time. is the mafia allowed to change their targets during the night? Given: If targets are allowed to be changed and abilities resolve simuntaneusly at the end of the night then much of this post is garbage. Just one of his posts I found, it's mostly fluff, trying to seem like he's doing something. The a) b) c) d) is him trying to push the work onto other people. Kairo, not that we were suspecting him anyhow, is probably town. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 13 2011 09:47 35spike1 wrote: I don't remember that, I think we're still unsure of Senj. I'm not sure about Treadmill, but he said he'll give us an analysis of Alderan so that'll be interesting. Kairo seems a bit lurky, + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2011 11:06 Kairo wrote: I feel that we were lucky that we did not get a third townie kill with misvigies, since it would have caused huge amounts of confusion. How likely is it that iGrok and xkcd is on the same team? What would it mean if a) iGrok flips green? b) iGrok flips red? c) xkcd flips green? d) xkcd flips red? My current vote stands for xkcd, but i can still be convinced to change. If any mafia try to affect the grok/xkcd vote situation they will have to leave footprints, which is useful. Is there any 95%+ identified mafia in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use our vigies on? Is there any 95%+ identified BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOR MAFIA medic target in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use? Do NOT out blues for the mafia. There is no need to do any analysis for them. For some of this to be relevant: when does abilites resolve? is it by timer or simuntaneusly at the end of the night? when does medic/vigi PM timing (early/late) matter? I believe this is potentially a double-edged sword, since stressing a decision for mafia could be useful while a premature medic/vigi decision could be really really bad. What would be nice would be to force a win/win situation for the town, but I can not see such a path clearly at this time. is the mafia allowed to change their targets during the night? Given: If targets are allowed to be changed and abilities resolve simuntaneusly at the end of the night then much of this post is garbage. Just one of his posts I found, it's mostly fluff, trying to seem like he's doing something. The a) b) c) d) is him trying to push the work onto other people. Further decreases my suspicion for Treadmill (already pretty much cleared from TheAwesomeAll) and Senj. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On June 14 2011 02:18 teamsolid wrote: This post by AwesomeAll one of the mafia who was modkilled decreases my suspicion for Treadmill and Vain. I don't think he was planning to get mod-killed and he knew that Grush was about to be lynched so that was a safe bet. However, there's no reason to throw any of his remaining 2 mafia buddies under the bus before the lynch has even happened yet. Thus, I'm going to say that Treadmill and Vain are both town. I was absolutely convinced that Vain was mafia because he always defended iGrok (and likewise) and due to his hesistant voting pattern (saying, I will go for grush at this time and then changing his mind), but this makes me rethink. My issue is that if Vain were not mafia, we would clearly have seen more support for his lynch from the mafia to take pressure off of grush and due to the evidence against him. Yet amongst the 5 people who voted for Vain, 4 of them voted for iGrok making them most probably town. If Vain were not to be mafia, that would indicate that the mafia didn't make any effort to save grush and themselves. Given this, and a host of other arguments I have published earlier, I still think Vain is mafia - but I will be doing analysis of the other players who didn't vote for iGrok. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 19:42 35spike1 wrote: I thought we get accurate DT checks now that GF is dead. I think Freeloader should be added to this list, he hasn't really contributed to anything and seems to post only to state who he's voting for. Freeloader confirmed as town. + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 17:23 35spike1 wrote: I presume he's talking about this Btw, I thought that this would be interesting, iGroks Do-Not-Lynch List. And his reasoning was These people should be watched closely, I myself am still keeping an eye on Treadmill. As if we needed it, more evidence that Treadmill is town. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 09:31 35spike1 wrote: What do you mean by "We shall not accept...". Are we going to insta-lynch people for it, or just pressure them? Otherwise, it's all just basics. @ Vain, where you have you been? I'm sure you're completely happy that Grush is under fire atm but if you don't speak up, you'll be next. This would be a good place for you to start I WILL NOT ACCEPT LURKERS Again, Treadmill confirmed as town. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 17:20 35spike1 wrote: Lol... Guys, we need to get some conversation going. Otherwise lurkers will lurk and town will fail. Suggests that the remaining mafia may not be lurkers. More analysis of TheAwesomeAll: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 15:23 TheAwesomeAll wrote: based on his day 1 voting for falafi i think Munk e is town as well. Increases suspicion of Munk-E, although it could've very well been an attempt by TheAwesomeAll to build town cred. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 16:04 TheAwesomeAll wrote: youre timings were pretty unfortunate, why did you vote xkcd if you suspected he was DT? Treadmill once again attacked by TheAwesomeAll | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Blackone Aprudds Munk-E Are our main suspect list,right? I will take care of Blackone and Aprudds,brb. We need to narrow that thing to 2-3 suspects. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 09:31 35spike1 wrote: What do you mean by "We shall not accept...". Are we going to insta-lynch people for it, or just pressure them? Otherwise, it's all just basics. @ Vain, where you have you been? I'm sure you're completely happy that Grush is under fire atm but if you don't speak up, you'll be next. This would be a good place for you to start I WILL NOT ACCEPT LURKERS Again, Vain confirmed as town. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 14 2011 04:00 Kurumi wrote: Alderan Blackone Aprudds Munk-E Are our main suspect list,right? I will take care of Blackone and Aprudds,brb. We need to narrow that thing to 2-3 suspects. Alderan can be taken off due to 35spike1 attacking him. heist should still be on though, especially after his wall-of-text defense of iGrok early on in the game. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
Blackone: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 06:47 blackone wrote: Ok, I see how that's useful. Before the voting incident on rookie 44, xkcd was posting a whole lot of nothing. Seeming kind of active, but not really accusing anybody. The only thing of notice he did was his little skirmish with kurumi. After that, when attention was starting to be focused on him, he defended himself by arguing about insignificances and attacking people that attacked him. People aren't satisfied and he posts his giant ass analysis of everybody except iGrok, where he spends thousands of words paraphrasing every single post in this thread, managing to not defend himself in 200,000 words or whatever it was. I do believe that iGrok is probably gf, but since a lot of that case revolves around him trying super hard to be a good townie while the roles of townie and gf are hard to seperate from the outside, and gf could be also very well be jackal or somebody completely different, I think we have a stronger case on xkcd. That's why I voted for him. And kurumi, I appreciate your effort calling possible bandwagoning mafias out, but seriously, wtf. There's no way to appropriately respond to your accusations (mainly „HAHA YOU ANSWERED THAT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM). Especially your pseudo(?)-“i'll shoot you“-roleclaim. I have no idea how you could think that's useful. Very interesting statement here. Blackone justifies his vote for xkcd over iGrok but also says that "I do believe that iGrok is probably gf" and has a pretty convoluted reason for preferring xkcd. Given that targeting the godfather should be a higher priority than regular mafia, this seems a quite suspicious to me. However, this could be Blackone's way of saying "both are suspicious, but I think xkcd is more so" (I thought that way too, but I thought iGrok was more so). Aprudds: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 09:18 aprudds wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 08:36 supersoft wrote: lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum. Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty. I don't understand this logic. Because I'm not pushing the blame on someone else I must be scum? Because I'm trying to be constructive I must be scum? Please be more clear with your accusation so that I may properly defend myself. + Show Spoiler + Aprudds, I did not mean overall, but now. You made a post, so You're present here and You could write something nice(Thanks for talking a bit about the.. The Points. Yeah. A new name for The Plan.) And yeah Supersoft. It is colorful. I misunderstood you, apologizes. I am currently trying to sort out my feelings on all of this. On one hand we got the godfather and are on a good road to winning. On the other hand I haven't been so dreadfully wrong with the people I thought were suspicious. XKCD turned out to be blue, jimbooo green and jackal green. Looking back on their posts I would have still thought them as scum. I can't help but doubt my judgments and am no longer confident in anything. Why would Xkcd vote for jackal even though the vote for him was so close? After he flipped blue I thought it meant that he inspected jackal night 1 and he was framed. But if he was framed why would he say he's the godfather? Nothing makes sense. Another thing that was bothering me is the two lists. Both days we got a blue killed (or almost killed) as apart of the lynch. When day came I was going to post this list of names. treadmill Senj Kairo Impervious Alderan These people voted for both xkcd and rookie and I was very confident these were the 5 scum. But day came and Impervious flipped blue completely crushing my theory. They could be scum but then again I could be wrong, like all the other times I was wrong. I know I'm being wishy washy and not firmly stating a stance, but all the previous times I've done it this game I've been wrong so I hesitate singling anyone out. I ask anyone in confidence in their analysis like to look into those so I can get a second opinion. Aprudds is very hesitant in voicing his opinions and prefers to base his votes off the accusations of others. He makes a few excuses as to why he hasn't been giving much analysis (he was wrong in the past - but even if you were wrong, you shouldn't stop doing analysis). His vote for grush was on the basis that "grush didn't defend himself". Not too convincing of a justification. On the other hand, grush did vote for him so things might be thrown off. Munk-E: He hasn't posted very much, but when he does, he usually gives off very in-depth accusations of specific people (lafali, xkcd). His excuse for not posting analysis on day 3 is fishy and he could have backstabbed his own teammate on d1 knowing that no one would pay too much attention to him on day 1, but that looks remote. heist: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 18:39 heist wrote: It's easy to say that Treadmill's analysis is dead wrong in hindsight. I can completely understand defending iGrok at that point in time. I personally wanted to avoid another bandwagon lynch. And you guys have to admit that you were presenting a very biased analysis which if looked at in another light could have just as easily held iGrok as townie. Don't know if it was iGrok's plan but I felt bad for the guy getting tunneled so hard haha. Anyways I'm willing to admit I was wrong, but looking to our lynch, I also think grush57 is our main candidate. Bandwagoned freeloader early on, has mostly useless posts, and I feel like he voted for amazingxkcd as soon as he felt "safe" to do so (after Treadmill posted his defense and voted for amazing) Heist was one of the earlier people to vote for grush. Given that only 5 members of the mafia were alive and that losing one would reduce their killing power, I don't think mafia would backstab their teammates at the beginning of the day in those circumstances. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
He easily earned my vote. It is so easy to jump on bandwagon and say everything has been said. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Don't bother to shoot me. I am a Veteran. I feel sorry that xkdc did not out me(that would be a lot more fun),but You know.. Since You have that puny 1 kp You can kiss my ass. On June 13 2011 07:06 blackone wrote: Ok I came home an hour ago and just read through what happened since yesterday, and it's a whole lot of contentless discussion on the last pages. The only thing that stands out to me is grush's horrible horrible defense that was mostly him defending everyone that we suspect being mafia, except for himself. I don't even know what he was trying to achieve with that, but it's looking like he's trying to somehow save some of his scumbuddies. I'm sorry I don't have more to say, but really not much has happened this day. (I'm voting for grush57) (I'm also going to bed now so I won't be able to respond to the pressure Kurumi is going to apply on me because I'm breaking all of his rules at once, but please don't waste you're votes on me. thanks.) That guy even saw that coming.. Well,he admitted he is scum so feel free to shoot him at night. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 08 2011 19:39 blackone wrote: You are wrong, as others have already pointed out. "if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting."? How? Mafia already know who it is so they have all of this persons posts to figure his role out, if he makes a post saying "mafia tried to kill me last night", it tells them nothing, while we know their third target. And how does it not benefit us? It helps us as much as knowing who got killed, we get to know who the scum wants to see dead. Trying to keep this secret is very, very scummy. On a related note: I don't know if day/night posts can contain information like this, but couldn't the post about GGQs death mean they used two KPs on him? + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply. I know that kind of contradicts the fist part of my post, but in this case Pyo could just be trying to hide the fact they only tried to kill two people. Dat nail in da coffin When someone claims getting hit,the mafia gets no more info,town gets where KP was landed. When someone claims getting hit and gets healed it means there (!!!) is another medic in the play. That's the info I blew out like an idiot. Mafia wants to know how many medics we have and hunt them. Sorry guys. But now those puny Rats have a riddle to solve: my life. Have fun trying to kill me,I will happily soak Your KP. | ||
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Canada3668 Posts
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