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@Pyo:
Sure medics are passive and not useful until DTs/Vigis claim. But with possibly no remaining medics, DTs can't claim without really good cause because we can't save them -__-
Medics ARE important, much more important than you seem to think.
I should have made clear that I wasn't officially accusing Jackal of being GF, just saying that his play would make sense if he were GF.
For the moment, I have to go with treadmill here - Senj, xkcd, and kurumi are the most suspicious.
Just going off of associations, I'd say that Alderan is probably Town as well
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On June 07 2011 14:24 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 14:18 Treadmill wrote:On June 07 2011 13:49 iGrok wrote:
Jackal's push to lynch rookie came out of fucking nowhere, and gathered way too much steam. I thought about reasons why he would do that, and one possible reason is that he was drawing attention from freeloader. I'm not certain of course, but it would be a good play, particularly if Jackal is the Godfather and was worried about losing KP due to inactivity & the lynch.
Oh, and I'm sure there are arrows missing, those are just the ones I could remember off the top of my head. I'm not convinced that Jackal is scum. He advocated for Rookie's lynch, yes, but all day one everyone was advocated to lynch a different person. What I suspect is that the mafia saw it and jumped on it as an opportunity, about an hour later: On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote:Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote:
##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote:
##VOTE: Rookie44 Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. when [b]Senj, amazingxkcd, and Kurumi all vote for rookie at the same time. It's the main reason I think all three are scum. On June 07 2011 14:00 iGrok wrote:
One thing I notice now is that Treadmill has the most arrows. Treadmill, you are an interesting person...
Everything he's done has been in the right. Everything. When it was unpopular, he stood by his ideas. He's defended those he felt were wrongly accused, and and accused those he felt were guilty.
IMO, Treadmill is Town. Aww, <3. You haven't addressed what I said about Kurumi attack lafali almost immediately in the day. Why would he do that if they are both mafia?
You're right, sorry, I meant to address that one - it is the sticking point. I can see a mafia player accusing other mafia just to screw with people's heads, though, and Kumuri does seem to be likely to play like that. Also, he voted for Lafali, mentioned him once, and then started attacking everyone else. It would've been interesting to see what Kurumi would've done had Lafali ever been in any danger at all of being lynched but he wasn't, so voting for him remained "safe".
It's one piece of evidence for him compared to quite a bit against (see iGrok's massive post). I'm most comfortable on amazingxkcd but I do think we should watch Kurumi to see how he posts. I don't think a DT would be that helpful at this point, cause assuming that a more experienced player was chosen as GF its probably Kurumi (or maybe gtsrs but I'm only suspicious of him, there's adecent chance he's town).
In short, yes Kurumi voted for Lafali but considering his playstyle he seems likely to screw with us like that were he mafia. Also Lafali was never indanger of being lynched.
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Whoa, a lot of stuff happening in the last few hours of Day1. I will see how the night goes before even trying to do some sort of analysis posting.
I doubt that there are more than 2 reds in the 9 ppl who voted for rookie. It was a classic bandwagon. The single most suspicious person in the game is Kurumi. He is probably the one person who has made himself so suspicious that he will survive the night no matter of his alignment.
I'm curious, did the people who voted for rookie do so because jackal58 was basically declared the best player in the game by several earlier posts? If so - way to be sheepherded.
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This definitely was a blunder by jackal, it was clear that rookie asked for advice on what to do as blue and not asking all blues to reveal themselves.
Still, I don't think that jackal is scum, he simply wanted to get people to vote for someone else than freeloader and accused the person that seemed the most scummy to him.
But we should look at the people that voted for rookie, maybe there are one of two mafia in there.
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Wow we lost our medics
From what i can tell I highly doubt jackal is god farther in my opinion he just made a theory and people jumped on the band wagon / scum co ordination it's not his fault
While it's sad to see rookie gone he made a blunder that costed him
I have no real ideas on who is scum at this moment now
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I'm going through all the action in the voting thread and had a couple observations.
1. This early attempt to bandwagon freeloader is enough reason as of now to safely assume that he is town.
2. Looking through Lafali's posts, the one thing that pops out to me is his early vote for Freeloader and then an hour later he changes his mind and unvotes freeloader.
3. Day 1 voting was defined by two bandwagons: freeloader and rookie44.
4. Now combining, 2 and 3, I think that what's critical is not who voted for Freeloader, but those who unvoted him especially during a time when all the town momentum was focused on bandwagonning Freeloader. Only three additional people unvoted (jimbooo drazerk grush57) before the rookie44 bandwagon even started.
Of those three only jimbooo joined the Rookie44 bandwagon.
Of those three only jimbooo unvoted without recasting another vote until rookie44.
Of those three jimbooo was the quickest to unvote freeloader in the middle of intense freeloader
bandwaggoning.
Drazerk and grush57 though both suspicious in themselves can attribute their unvotes to the dying momentum of freeloader votes. Though it is interesting to note that they were the last two to unvote freeloader before the next momentum shift when rookie44 is voted (what this means i don't really know)
Not quite convinced? Let's look at some of his posts:
On June 06 2011 01:08 Jimbooo wrote:
I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused.
He states that it's very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader MINUTES AFTER HE UNVOTES freeloader. He wants to draw suspicion away from himself. And who cares about suspicion? Mafia.
On June 05 2011 15:19 Jimbooo wrote:
I also at first thought we should keep an eye on freeloader , I don't think he is definitely mafia , but we should keep an eye on him. I DID vote , but I don't think he is CERTAINLY mafia, he is just very suspicious.
I feel like we should trust people a little more , because now people feel like they will get accused with every post and town can't function that way.
He asks that people should be more trusting yet he contradicts himself saying that freeloader is very suspicious based off of one question. If freeloader is town, it makes sense that a mafia would ask the public scrutiny to remain on freeloader while people like jimbooo are to be "trusted".
The rest of his posts do not contribute ANYTHING to the town. His defenses are weak just saying he was too hasty in his votes. And as of now jimbooo is my number one suspect for mafia.
My proposal for the night: kill jimbooo and kill one of the "possible mafia trio", namely amazingxkcd.
People on my investigate list:
kurumi
senj
grush57
drazerk
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On June 07 2011 08:09 amazingxkcd wrote:
Kairo, you just switch your vote to rookie44. What is your reasoning since the last post you made was trying to draw votes away from freeloader onto cherubael. Are you attempting to bandwagon onto this guy now?
What is the exact definition of bandwagoning btw, is it only when mafia jump on the same person to get a mislynch, or is it bandwagoning if townies try to swich momentums as well?
I was trying to move momentum for a lynch on rookie since ( like I motivated in my post explaining why I changed it) I believed that it would be more benfical for the team than a lynch on FL since
1. FL would be a lottery lynch, and a flip would not make us any wiser.
2. To see how people acted in this situation in a combination with a flip could be rewarding. Muddying the ground and making people move to get footprints and arrows so to speak.
I believe that the list that stood when rookie was leading with 10 votes is more interesting than the final one, since changing votes after the lynch is almost verified to not be on the list of voters is easy.
On June 07 2011 10:52 Varpulis wrote:
Vote Tally:
Rookie44 10
Jackal58
Kurumi
Senj
amazingxkcd
kairo
impervious
vain
heist
jimboo
alderan
tdAdonis
Also want to note that if I was Mafia I would not respond to xkcds post unless pressured more, since he himself is heavily pressured and that post would be likely to slip under the radar.
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Some general thoughts:
I think that jackal58 would only be comfortable with his failed accusation of rookie if he was a green or the godfather. For that reason I think that a DT scan on him would be a total waste.
Also lafali's late vote is very curious indeed. He was late by just a few minutes and probably thought it would still count. Why would a mafia vote for a person who is basically already dead, when obviously he knew he is town. No point in making yourself suspicious when it was not needed at all. Did the mafia have some sort of an agreement to vote on rookie?
Another thing player Munk-E throws his vote at lafali, but at the point he does that it is all but decided that lafali will get modkilled. Very accurate mafia prediction for Day1, certainly suspicious.
Player freeloader625 voted rookie but quickly changed his mind. Perhaps he realized that rookie was a goner even without his vote, after all freeloader625 was already a prime suspect, why would he want more attention for himself by voting on the bandwagon?
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Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on.
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Yeah no worries, this was all part of the game.
I had fun, and maybe i will see you guys in another mafia.
cheers
rookie
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Goddammit. It's all adding up now. I should have seen that the first two post should meant he had a role. Now it could very well be we have no medics left:\
sorry rook
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Damnit. I saw it too when I went over your posts again..... Sorry rookie.
Also, I'd like to voice my opinion of "using our KP early" due to the loss of our medics. While it sucks to lose both, some games don't have medics, or medics are bad/inactive/unlucky and are essentially no better than another townie, and the game is still far from over. It might suck for a vigi to die without using his power, but it's better he doesn't use it than he uses it badly.
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I think we missed someone who should be modkilled, tdAdonis, who never posted in this thread but voted. Did he get overlooked?
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Technically, you don't have to post, just vote.
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On June 07 2011 20:42 iGrok wrote:
Technically, you don't have to post, just vote.
Doesn't sound that way according to the Rules?
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Well he was either overlooked or the rules mean that you need to have just 1 post for day1 and night1 combined. That's my interpretation of "day/night cycle" at least.
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On June 07 2011 19:21 rookie44 wrote:
Yeah no worries, this was all part of the game.
I had fun, and maybe i will see you guys in another mafia.
cheers
rookie
Please play again. I know it sucks to die on day one. I die on day/night 1 about 50% of the time.
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On June 07 2011 18:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on.
i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia.
if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be.
i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used...
arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations
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On June 07 2011 21:03 monsterDrakar wrote:
Well he was either overlooked or the rules mean that you need to have just 1 post for day1 and night1 combined. That's my interpretation of "day/night cycle" at least.
It's combined, 72 hours in total for posting.
I looked through Lafali's posts and none of them had any content/names...
Are all the medics gone now or is there probably one left?
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