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On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day.
I hope they target me. Best way to waste their shot <3
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On June 08 2011 00:39 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day. I hope they target me. Best way to waste their shot <3
wouldnt you accomplish that better with claiming you are the last medic or something?
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You are insane or a genius Kurumi, I hope the latter.
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On June 08 2011 00:39 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day. I hope they target me. Best way to waste their shot <3
Well, you just confirmed my stance on you <3
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as the third medic, i'll heal kuru anyway. ooooops
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+ Show Spoiler +@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler +Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote.
I would like to restate my case and that the only person other than Lafali that voted freeloader and than jumped on rookie wagon is jimbooo
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On June 08 2011 01:19 aprudds wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler +Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. I would like to restate my case and that the only person other than Lafali that voted freeloader and than jumped on rookie wagon is jimbooo
Are you under the assumption that freeloader is a townie since lafali jumped on him as well as jimbooo?
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On June 08 2011 01:20 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 01:19 aprudds wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler +Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. I would like to restate my case and that the only person other than Lafali that voted freeloader and than jumped on rookie wagon is jimbooo Are you under the assumption that freeloader is a townie since lafali jumped on him as well as jimbooo?
I don't know what freeloader is. Either noobscum or noobtown. It doesn't really matter though, like I've stated many times the accusation in the beginning was to start discussion.
Looking at the patterns, the only one who has the same voting pattern as Lafali is Jimbo.
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On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day.
Agreed.
However, we should probably try to stir up some decision for any blues that are unsure of what to do. We've probably got 2+ DTs who have to check someone, and 2+ vigis who may be itching to hit scum tonight. And it's still possible that we have a medic.
If we have a medic left, there's a few people I'd suggest saving. One would be myself (obviously :D), another would be treadmill, a third would be freeloader, and a fourth would be Jackal. Jackal has this uncanny ability to either be very, very right in his analysis, or very, very wrong in his analysis, so losing him wouldn't be great, as long as we can figure out if he's right or wrong. iGrok isn't a bad choice either.
There's a few people who should be high priority vigi targets. amazingxkcd is definitely my #1 choice, but jimbooo wouldn't be a bad target either. senj or kurumi instead of xkcd wouldn't be a bad choice either.
As for DT checks, I wouldn't recommend xkcd, senj and kurumi right now. If xkcd gets killed tonight (or one of the other two instead), we'll have 2 people as good lynch targets if he flips red, and it's hardly better than a blind guess if he flips green, so it's not really worth a check right now.
Voting for the same person at the same time like that is really wierd, and I can't help but think that it's coordinated. My bad if I'm wrong, but it just looks soooooo bad..... So it would be a big waste of a DT check imo.
As for who to actually check - I'm not too sure. There's quite a few good people to check, I just wanted to point out some obviously bad ones to check.
So, if you want to argue any part this with me, or have anything to add, now's the time to do it.
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On June 08 2011 01:44 Impervious wrote:
If we have a medic left, there's a few people I'd suggest saving. One would be myself (obviously :D), another would be treadmill, a third would be freeloader, and a fourth would be Jackal. Jackal has this uncanny ability to either be very, very right in his analysis, or very, very wrong in his analysis, so losing him wouldn't be great, as long as we can figure out if he's right or wrong. iGrok isn't a bad choice either.
Sorry I have been quiet lately, slammed at work and will post some better analysis soon but Impervious I'd like it if you elaborated on this a bit.
Treadmill, freeloader, and jackal all have considerable amount of uncertainty surrounding them about whether or not they are acting scummy. Mafia will ALWAY keep anyone around who people are considering as maf if they are indeed not scum.
Like I said more to come later on the happenings of last night.
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I agree with Alderan, protecting freeloader and treadmill would be stupid, mafia won't hit them because we are unsure if they are scummy or not.
I am also not too big of a fan of early vigi hits, checking jimboo and amazingxkcd might be a good idea but there is not enough certainty about either of them to get them dead tonight.
How many shots to vigilanties have?
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I just read the first post.
"Night Vigilante
You are a vigilante! You are willing to take the law into your own hands. Once per game, at night, you may PM me a player to be killed. If your kill overlaps with a mafia hit, your ability will not be used (unless the player has some form of protection). If your kill overlaps with another vigilante, the first hit sent in will take precedence (again, unless the targeted player has protection)."
Looks like there is only one shot per vigilante, so we should be careful with those.
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Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now.
Freeloader - there's definitely uncertainty here. But I have a reason for wanting him alive tomorrow.
Jackal - He's really good at analysis when he's tunneled someone. He may not always be on the right track, but he brings up some good points, and is easily able to start discussions, which are good for the town. I don't know whether he's scum or not yet, but for now, he can definitely be useful to the town. He's one of the people I'd want to check as DT, to make sure he's on my side, but, if he is scum, he's likely the GF, so a DT check would actually be pretty useless anyways.
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On June 08 2011 03:37 Impervious wrote:
Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now.
A bandwagoner with some heat under his feet tried to earn some easy town cred. He has read the XXX Mafia analysis and knew "Blue slips",the only difference between Townies and Scum is that,Townies can still interpret blue fishing as scummy move or as blue seeking help. Treadmill is scum: that way he IS SURE that Rookie44 is blue at this point. An easy move to earn town cred using his scum information
Impervious,You are defending Treadmill too hard.. (read red in quote)
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Sorry for lack of posts guys. I've been reading but I'm pretty heavily vested in the festering pile of poo that is PTP right now.  Day ends in that game in about 2 more hours so I'll be able to spend some time addressing a few points after that. If you ever get a chance to play in an insane type of set up - Run Away!!!!!!
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On June 08 2011 03:37 Impervious wrote:
Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now.
Freeloader - there's definitely uncertainty here. But I have a reason for wanting him alive tomorrow.
Jackal - He's really good at analysis when he's tunneled someone. He may not always be on the right track, but he brings up some good points, and is easily able to start discussions, which are good for the town. I don't know whether he's scum or not yet, but for now, he can definitely be useful to the town. He's one of the people I'd want to check as DT, to make sure he's on my side, but, if he is scum, he's likely the GF, so a DT check would actually be pretty useless anyways.
I see where you're coming from but look at it from a scum point of view. Except for the mere fact of us having this conversation, what does the town gain from lynching any of these guys?
Treadmill- Suspicions from several people, in fact has been FoS'd officially as maf by more than one person. If they kill him they are only narrowing the sights on themselves.
Freeloader- same as above, in fact even more so. He is always in the conversation of potential scum, and has several defenders and accusers providing perfect cover for scum.
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games.
I think the biggest hole in my analysis is that i can't really suggest someone for a potential medic to save (except of course myself). There is not really anyone that is giving off an effective townie or potentially endangered Blue vibe. I just urge a remaining medic, in the off chance that we have one, to go back and find someone who is either extremely pro town or someone giving off blue vibes. Obviously self explanatory but it is afterall a newbie game.
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I was just throwing out suggestions of who I'd want to see alive tomorrow. I don't see any really, really obvious people, but these are some decent choices, for a variety of reasons.
Also, if someone trying to draw attention away from a blue is scummy, then I think we've got different mindsets.
I really didn't want to go into this much detail, because this may end up swaying the decision of the mafia. -_-
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On June 08 2011 03:58 Alderan wrote:
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games.
I keep seeing this being posted. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who started it. But let's stop saying it ok. Let's stop thinking it even. I am not some Mafia god. I am not uber scum hunter. I am not super scum player.
I suck on day 1 and 2. I freely admit that. I do get better scum reads in late game situations but I'm no fucking Sherlock Holmes.
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And, ironically, your best scum read ever has come while you were scum.
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Damn I wanted to get Ace lynched so bad.
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