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On June 08 2011 04:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 03:58 Alderan wrote:
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games. I keep seeing this being posted. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who started it. But let's stop saying it ok. Let's stop thinking it even. I am not some Mafia god. I am not uber scum hunter. I am not super scum player. I suck on day 1 and 2. I freely admit that. I do get better scum reads in late game situations but I'm no fucking Sherlock Holmes.
I probably didn't make this clear enough, but it is not a situation that you tried to put yourself in in my opinion. I still think that to some extent you were raised to a pedestal, probably stemming from the iGork post.
Not trying to knock you and say that you did it to yourself, but you definitely have a lot of people that respect your opinion highly, and I think the vote proved that yesterday.
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On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day.
Too late for me haha. But honestly better I get hit than a more valuable role. From now on I'm going to be gunning for jimbooo unless there is UNDENIABLE proof that he is town.
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On June 08 2011 05:14 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day. Too late for me haha. But honestly better I get hit than a more valuable role. From now on I'm going to be gunning for jimbooo unless there is UNDENIABLE proof that he is town.
The only undeniable proof is a flip. Everything else can be manipulated. We're all green til we flip.
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On June 08 2011 01:44 Impervious wrote:
As for DT checks, I wouldn't recommend xkcd, senj and kurumi right now. If xkcd gets killed tonight (or one of the other two instead), we'll have 2 people as good lynch targets if he flips red, and it's hardly better than a blind guess if he flips green, so it's not really worth a check right now.
I agree with this point. since those 3 are the biggest suspects right now, it is almost certain that the town among them is going to be GF framed. I'll also point out that it isn't unreasonable for senj and xkcd to have waited for kurumi to have posted to follow him in bandwagoning on rookie. While I am certain that at least 2 of them are scum, there isn't much to be learned from using blue powers on them.
But I'll repeat that iGrok is very scummy. Being defended by senj is a big tell. Additionally, propping up certain players as being experienced/super awesome. Also his constant chartmaking – does more to confuse the issue than anything. When I end up dead (I probably will given that I've been a little too pro-town in my posting and pretty much no one thinks that I'm scum), maybe people will take more notice of him, especially considering I'm the only one pushing for him right now.
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Just a reminder that all night actions must be submitted to both Varpulis and myself. Remember night cycles are only 24 hours long
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Oh cmon,don't try to push for KavCaprio lynch tomorrow.
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On June 08 2011 05:41 Kurumi wrote:
Oh cmon,don't try to push for KavCaprio lynch tomorrow.
Who is kavcaprio?
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Why don't you ask him in your scum chat?
For everyone else, I think he is talking about thisthis.
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okay i have like 11 pages to read, it's probably all fluff, but i will be back to post more FoS's in a bit
my sights are still set on iGrok but i think grush57 or w/e his name is was looking pretty solid before i left for the night last night too
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I'm just curious, but will there be a private quicktopic PM'ed to killed/dead people so that they can continue to discuss the game?
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On June 08 2011 09:21 Pyo wrote:
I'm just curious, but will there be a private quicktopic PM'ed to killed/dead people so that they can continue to discuss the game?
No.
Remember guys, all night actions must be sent in to both Meapak and myself within the next 3 hours.
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On June 08 2011 07:47 gtrsrs wrote:
okay i have like 11 pages to read, it's probably all fluff, but i will be back to post more FoS's in a bit
my sights are still set on iGrok but i think grush57 or w/e his name is was looking pretty solid before i left for the night last night too
What do you mean by solid exactly?
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GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want  Trust me that it's smart and good:
No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players.
The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town.
iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused.
Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though.
Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players.
Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear.
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GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply.
Across town DeMorcerf was drinking at his favorite bar, it had been a long day and he was trying to drown out the thoughts of the failed lynch. Looking at the clock DeMorcerf realized it was getting late and decided to start back home. He got about four blocks from the bar when a black SUV with tinted windows drove up next to him. DeMorcerf sensed trouble and tried to throw himself into a culvert but he wasn’t quick enough. A quick burst of automatic fire sounded and DeMorcerf was left lying in a pool of his own blood.
GGQ the Townie has been killed
DeMorcerf the Townie has been killed
It is now day 2! You have 48 hours to vote on a lynch
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I recommend lynching iGrok next day tbh. Getting rid of godfather would be great; it eliminates both the godfather's personal dt shield and the frame ability, making our dt results 100% accurate after the gf is gone. If town doesn't want to lynch him, I hope we have an enterprising young vigilante out there for tomorrow night 
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Woops, didnt see that that was posted, sorry!, I'll edit it out if you ask.
GL townies!
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Wait, seriously, only 2 kills?
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Ok, so, now that it's daytime, I'd like to ask everyone to do something simple for me, before we start discussing anything more serious.
I'd like to know what guides/games you have read, as well as what games you have played. Just take like 10 seconds to post a quick list plz.
If you've played in a few already, I know you're well exposed to TL Mafia. I'm asking for this information I want to get a feeling for how well adjusted our "newbie" players will be. I'm pretty sure that this may prove useful to us in the future. I wanted to ask it during the previous day, but I showed up pretty late for the party.
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Only two kills? What the hey? If someone took a hit last night let us know. I don't see them stacking KP when two medics died yesterday, and similarily I don't see anyone surviving a hit.
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@Impervious:
*first game ever for me
*read Ver's mafia XXX analysis and that game quite a bit
*looked at a couple other games but not much - mostly PYP/PTP games
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