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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
ON Lanaia lol...how am I suppose to take you seriously when you include those two? ON has barely said anything new and lanaia has been mostly asking questions. Yeah ok. Present to me three posts from each that actually show they are playing clear pro-town and I'll acknowledge you are right though I'm sure finding even 1 is going to be hard | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
So if you're not scum and you're currently voting for GM, I think it's probably a good idea to move that vote elsewhere (probably DrH). Try not to scatter too much, cause that could leave Pardoner open to sniping. I still strongly support Protactinium as Pardoner and will not personally be shifting my vote. Sorry, redFF. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:00 Protactinium wrote: Tnkted is nowhere near town. Explain this. As far as I can see, your only reason for throwing dirt on me is the fact that I think your plan is stupid and I don't want a black in the office. If that's the only requirement for being mafia in your book you aren't the 'pro' player you're claiming to be, you're just trying to confuse the town. You do realize that you have absolutely no more proof than anyone else that you are what you say you are? I'm convinced at this point that you're the one thats scum. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
-_- mondays suck. gnite yall! | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:15 tnkted wrote: Sigh.. its late. I'll post my analysis tomorrow, I have like 9 hours of class I need to be ready for. -_- mondays suck. gnite yall! Answer my question pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee. How is ON and lanaia playing pro town? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:00 Protactinium wrote: please elect me or I will die. I will do anything and say anything to get elected because frankly if I dont get elected I auto lose. here I shortened your platform up for you. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:28 Coagulation wrote: here I shortened your platform up for you. Reds get desperate when they feel backed into a corner. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote: Answer my question pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee. How is ON and lanaia playing pro town? Oh. I don't know! I'm not saying that anyone on my list is pro town, just that they're acting like you should in this forum which is to say that they are not spamming, are spending time on their posts, and are therefore worth reading. I'd rather read one players long, well thought out post than I would one player's half a dozen posts responding to absolutely every single little spasm of activity in the thread. Quality > quantity in this forum. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:05 tnkted wrote: Ok I've been gone all day. Town. WTF. Where are all these emotional outbursts coming from? Almost all of the FoS's that have come out so far this game have been ridiculous, targeted at new players for not posting enough, or not reading properly, or acting like typical newbie players. DrH, some throwing accusations at people like they're candy. Read up, gather some information, and present it in a big large wall of text like everyone else does. Theres a reason we do it that way. Now, for newbies, you might not know who you should be listening to in this game if you're green (which you probably are since its your first game). You want to be listening to people with calm, levelheaded opinions, who have put a fair amount of thought and effort into their posts. You can tell these people by the amount that they post and the sheer quality of their posts. Spammers are generally not that helpful for analytic purposes. Here's my list of people that should be your role models, town or not town. This is how good mafia players behave in thread: Kita GM Protract ON Lanaia Kav myself (  )and urashimakt is doing pretty good too, for a newbie. There are a few other players that are doing well, but those 7 are the ones you should pay attention to when they post. Keep in mind that you should be reading their stuff with an open mind; feel free to challenge them where you think they are acting scummy, but rather then throw out an FoS (which is a fairly serious, formal accusation in this forum and is currently being abused to great extent) simply point out their scummy play. If you want to post an FoS make sure you've done your research; big posts with lots of quotes and analysis are what we're after. Putting effort into your posts is what makes you town. My analysis on Tracestorm is incoming. this is almost artistically scummy throwout some people who have contributed basically nothing (On/Lanaia), pad Kav's shitty arguments, make a big "come on guys can we all just get along and play well???" post that doesn't serve any purpose or contribute any analysis anyway you're on my shitlist and hopefully everyone can see how ridiculous this post is i'll still be lynching originalname though | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 14:34 tnkted wrote: Oh. I don't know! I'm not saying that anyone on my list is pro town, just that they're acting like you should in this forum which is to say that they are not spamming, are spending time on their posts, and are therefore worth reading. I'd rather read one players long, well thought out post than I would one player's half a dozen posts responding to absolutely every single little spasm of activity in the thread. Quality > quantity in this forum. lanaia and ON are terrible examples of quality, so are kav's terrible arguments and giant posts of absolutely nothing. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
##Vote DrH I'd really prefer that GMarshal not get elected. Protactinium said it well... his PBPA was lackluster, his scumhunting skills are not really honed as far as I have observed. And, GM, if you managed to peg the mafia team day 1 last game, you're either lucky or you're better than everyone else in the forum. I'm thinking lucky... ON seems like a fine lynch to me. Mig is also a good lynch in my opinion, not to let him slide under the radar anymore. I've been looking at the players in the anti-protact list. If we don't elect protact (likely), then we can't rely on the blacks to clean up this list for us, so we might as well look at these guys ourselves.
tnkted - DrH has pointed out the scummy posts here mig - DrH again pointed out the scumminess kitaman - strongest opponent of protact, in my opinion overreacted. Kavdragon - I completely agree with protact that kav needs to stop with the general advice and start playing this game--but kav is still a dumb day1 lynch. After his performance in the last few games, he should be a target for scum if he's not one of them. Wiggles - haven't noticed this guy, other than GMs PBPA on him Darmousseh - fairly inactive (i think 2-3 posts) votes for GM, complains about spam Dropbear - posts look clean to me. Interacts and takes stands. Is a little too quiet perhaps (4-5 posts) Robellicose - another quiet one. One of his first posts seemed like a scumslip to me, but subsequent posts make it hard to say :/ Coagulation - looks to me like his green meta, but I would never bet money on this guy's alignment Darmousseh, mig, tnkted are the scummiest looking ones in my opinion. Chaoser, what happened to your campaign? ran out of energy? | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon lol, i like this plan DrH. I will probably switch my vote for you. Most Pro-town post by far. | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:37 Barundar wrote: I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum. I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly. I didn't think he was scum when he was roleclaiming dt. Now that he has cancelled his claim, I don't trust his play at all. Just woke up, off to work. I notice I have about 8 pages to catch up on. Dear god TL produces a lot of text | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 24 2011 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also I'll run for mayor. Reasons you should vote for me: 1. I am a big mafia target and bodyguard protection will help me survive into the later stages of the game. 2. I do fairly well at organizing town discussion and making sure we don't get sidetracked. 3. I'm not the best scumhunter, but I'm getting better. I am pretty good at determining who is trustworthy so I think I'll make good decisions as far as bodyguards. 4. I'm great at clue analysis. He posts good reasons, acknowledges his flaws, and come off as more laid back than in this game. This is his pro-town post that lead to the infamous mass claim to DrH in Salem: + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2010 18:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Meh I'll just start now, I have some time. We need to very carefully consider the framer role. It is often advised to detectives, by mafia, that a big town target should be checked to get "information". DT's should check the targets they think are most likely scum based on post behavior and that's pretty much all there is to it until later in the game when a lot of information actually can be gleaned from an alignment check. Framer Strategy: mafia railroads/advises DT to check a big town target with a lot of attention (for an example of this level of attention look at me in insane mafia) and then simply frame them. Pandain was effectively framed on day 1 of haunted and a DT checked him, because Pandain was an active poster but there was nothing scummy about any of his posts. It was a bad check. So beware of attempts to railroad you into checking certain targets especially if it happens in PM. I imagine myself, Pandain, LSB, and RoL will all be strong frame targets that is if they aren't going to be hit since they are likely to be checked. I'm not saying don't check veteran players, I'm saying check people you think are scum. Also DT's shouldn't claim if they find a red and definitely not in PM either. Build a case on that person. Read through their posts and seriously consider them. Read them as though they are mafia, what are they doing to hurt/mislead the town and does it make sense? They might be a miller (there are probably 2, that is the normal count) and they might also have been framed. When you checked someone and now they are mafia or are nearly certain you build a good case to get them lynched, you don't claim straight away because it's still possible the mafia won't hit you and if they do it become immediately apparent why you pushed so strong for a specific lynch which means the mafia have to do a lot of damage control especially if they tried to spread distrust/attack that DT. The timing of his ban should have nothing to do with what role he may or may not be. Or rather what role I may or may not be. I'm gonna say this about vig's: don't shoot until night 3 or night 4. As the game progresses it gets easier and easier to find mafia and that's when efficient town KP use becomes super important. Don't blow your hit early, you'll more than likely miss. Your goal is to not get killed. As far as this Pandain bandwagon Idon't see why that is. This isn't a mafia thing it's just stupid but he did roleclaim village idiot to me in PM before the game started, not sure what that means. Probably nothing because he's just bad. If he's scum I'll catch him pretty quickly so I'm not worried about him at all. LunarDestiny's posts so far come off as the most scummy but that's just barely, no good target has presented itself yet to me for the lynch so I'll vote for myself. My work schedule is unpredictable and I don't want to get modkilled for it. He posts good advice and lists his opinion, but he doesn't go all out and call people scum on day 1. Probably the thing that unnerves me the most is he is now posting very offensively and often. Last he ran for mayor he was holding back a lot more: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2011 13:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because I've been playing Little Big Planet 2 and cleaning my room. I prefer to think about things thoroughly before I post about them. There is no point posting every half baked idea I might have about the clues and it'll just be cluttering. I have been working on and thinking about the clues, just because I haven't been posting about them doesn't mean I'm not thinking about it. I'll post my thoughts on it when I feel I have something to say that has yet to be said and that may actually lead somewhere. I just don't have any strong feelings about the clues. If I had to point a finger somewhere it'd be at OriginalName or Nemesis I guess. It's weak though. DrH is good at playing offensive and town like when he is mafia. From Micro Mafia IV where he owned town hardcore:+ Show Spoiler + On October 23 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes In that game he was quick to point out other peoples bad play, and he was very active in the thread, much like he is here. All this said I find myself agreeing with many of DrH's posts, he often posts what I was thinking. But I think his posting style is too alike to what I know as his mafia style for me to dare voting for him. | ||
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The_Roist
United States58 Posts
As for my vote, I feel DoctorHelvetica has the towniest position regarding our claimed ninja and how best to use him in the towns' favor. ## vote DoctorHelvetica (will put that in other thread momentarily) | ||
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DropBear
Australia4271 Posts
Pandain: I don't know what to think about you. Apart from that I'm not voting for you. Kavdragon: All your big posts so far have read like a "Mafia for Dummies" guide. I read Ver's guide for beginners I don't think we need another one clogging up this game. What are you actually trying to say? I am not voting for you. GMarshal: has talked up his scum-hunting abilities. My brief look through his history suggests his success rate has been mixed. His policies seem to change rapidly with prevailing opinion. From a look through his past matches he has a history of being indecisive. He also has been strongly against Protactinium. But then, Protact is a rival. None of this seems out of order to me. I am however VERY interested in his FoS on Mr Wiggles. There doesn't really seem to be any reason for it, nor does there seem to much difference from some of the things he's said himself. I am not sure about you Marsh. kitaman27: Refer to his campaign speech. On April 10 2011 12:09 kitaman27 wrote: Pardoner Campaign I'm running for pardoner. Why? Well frankly, so I keep it out of the hands of everyone else. I know I'm town, so I see little reason not to run. In addition, it would cut the odds of the mafia learning the bodyguard identities in half and force them to campaign harder, rather than settling for second. My pardoning policy would be to let the lynch go as planned unless there is an undoubtedly obvious mafia bandwagon. It would not be surprising if I never chose to use the power at all. Has been more interested in the pardoner role than mayor itself. I'm not sure why you'd want to be pardoner not mayor? Mayor is ridiculously overpowered compared to pardoner. He has been aggressive against Protactinium. He has mentioned lurkers as a priority, then proceeded to call out Monsterchef. The main thing for me is that kita has done little to no backflipping, unlike many other candidates. He's contributing more. I am cautiously optimistic that he is town and is a good vote. Protactinium: Has basically said that anyone not voting for him is a suspect. There has been huge debate regarding him and the way things are going his "suspect list"is looking like it will be about three quarters of all the players. Which really narrows things down. I've already stated my disregard for voting Protactinium but I think Coag has said it best: On April 11 2011 14:28 Coagulation wrote: here I shortened your platform up for you. This is a gamble. A big one. If it comes off, yay for us, if not, we're fucked. As I have said previously, I am not voting for you. DoctorHelvetica: Has been slinging enough mud to sink a ship and tried to pass it off as honesty. I'm not sure I see the equation there? I am unsure about you. Chaoser: I am unsure if you are still in the running. I liked you as a candidate before. Since my last posts you have been slinging a lot of mud. Also, you edited a post. It may have been a mistake, but it warrants a mention. I am unsure about you. tnktd: Is easily the least experienced player of the candidates. He regularly posts before his campaign post, decided to run much later than all the others. He appears to be trying to help, his suggestions to problems look to me as stepping up. He is under attack from from Protactinium and DoctorHelvetica, who are in competition with him and I'm interested to see how he handles it. He is in my eyes being undervalued. He seems a lot cleaner than some of the others. I am optimistic that he is town and is a good vote. Kenpachi: Where are you man? Say some more stuff. Everything so far except your campaign post and your strange sheeping post has been either one or two lines, saying not much. I am not voting for you unless you step it up. Tnkted and kita are my top choices at the moment. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4271 Posts
His first few posts didn't say much, then this: On April 10 2011 15:02 Conversion wrote: What are you even arguing here? I can't FoS someone for being an assassin? So now you're telling me that I can only FoS possible lynch targets? You can have a completely different definition of FoS in your head compared to the one I have in mine. I understand that you like spamming up threads (you even have a reputation of it), but really? What are you even pointing at here? Am I mafia for misusing FoS in your opinion? Am I mafia for FoSing and assassin, when GMarshal prodded me to speak? Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play. Stop arguing about silly things, it's getting you nowhere. If you somehow deduce that I'm scum from senseless arguments like these  kudos to you for failing.He got defensive real quick. On April 10 2011 15:10 Conversion wrote: Thanks, I like to know that I am terrible. You're a great help, Mr. "if you think someone is an assassin announce it" I never realized there was a part in there that said "if you're a terrible poster, I'm going to attack you for FoSing an assassin." I am keeping an eye on you. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. | ||
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