If GOM wants "random" maps and "random" matchups, let players pull lots / roll for them on their own, not the "random match generator" behind closed doors pick the matches :p

DentThat

United States22 Posts

November 30 2010 05:18 GMT

#42

Your findings don't really correlate here Grebliv...

Cmon now, 8 out of 10 (including the upcoming Ro32) is TvT for Boxer.

Does 80% TvT, 10% TvP, 10% TvZ over 2 seasons not seem suspicious?

.Aar

Korea (South)2177 Posts

November 30 2010 05:19 GMT

#43

On November 30 2010 14:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

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How RIDICULOUS would it be if Jinro defeats the icon of WC3 and then the icon of SC1?

Don't do it, Jinro! They'll hire a hitman and

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slice off your hands, so you can never play StarCraft again!

As looknohands has shown us, that's no impediment with enough willpower.

cronican

Canada424 Posts

November 30 2010 05:21 GMT

#44

Of course Gom rigs the brackets. They want popular players to do well so they get more viewers. I have no problem with it. SC2 is young and needs that initial kickstart to really get on its feet.

As soon as the whole S class A class thing starts happening there will be no need to rig anything anymore.

gozima

Canada602 Posts

November 30 2010 05:22 GMT

#45

Honestly, does it really matter? You don't see people bitching about all the foreigners getting multiple bys in their preliminary matches and at most one decent Korean in order to qualify. How many season tickets do you think GOM would sell if no foreigners qualified for any of their seasons.

If GOM wants to "manipulate" their brackets for the first three seasons of GSL for business reasons, it's their prerogative.

Once the "real" tournaments start, it's not really going to matter anyways.

silentreality

Korea (South)222 Posts

November 30 2010 05:38 GMT

#46

Boxer is definitely not the only one benefiting from the predetermined brackets.. so... shouldn't really matter imo.

Plus like everybody has said, it can only help SC2 grow.

Once we get to the real GSLs next year, I'm guessing things will be different.

sl0w

United States447 Posts

November 30 2010 05:40 GMT

#47

On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up

True, but can you really blame them? Moon vs Boxer will bring in a crazy amount of viewers. At least the matches aren't fixed, right?

cablesc

United States1540 Posts

November 30 2010 05:41 GMT

#48

On November 30 2010 14:18 DentThat wrote:
Your findings don't really correlate here Grebliv...

Cmon now, 8 out of 10 (including the upcoming Ro32) is TvT for Boxer.

Does 80% TvT, 10% TvP, 10% TvZ over 2 seasons not seem suspicious?

You can't rig an entire tournament. After the first round, you can't predict what players will advance. Boxer played a lot of TvT's in season 2 because, guess what, there were a lot of terrans. 29 terrans out of 64 players. And before GSL 2, he said that his weakest matchup was TvP, and he ended up playing a TvP in the ro 32.

This season, he's still got a chance to run up against zergs in the ro16 (Moon) and ro8 (Check or Idra). That doesn't sound like protecting Boxer, to me.

Cedwyn

Canada58 Posts

November 30 2010 05:49 GMT

#49

If anything GomTV needs to rig the games to stop rushes. Like make it so players spawn on opposite sides of metalopolis. Rushes are too boring to watch - need more epic battles.

You know what is a conspiracy though - Artosis looks like Beaker from The Muppets, and Beaker was voiced by a zergling. Artosis plays zerg as his race. What are the chances of that?

theherder2

United States538 Posts

November 30 2010 05:51 GMT

#50

On November 30 2010 13:52 Klamity wrote:
The current ratio in TvT is 50% T wins. I think it's an extremely fair matchup.

uh what? The current ratio in TvT should be 100% T wins. Learn to math?

Ashera

Canada202 Posts

November 30 2010 05:57 GMT

#51

I mean, if it brings them a lot of viewers, promotes E-sports, and builds a great community i'm all for it.

iAmBiGbiRd

Australia1029 Posts

November 30 2010 06:00 GMT

#52

ROFL @ theherder2, and Fenn the nature of true randomness is impossible for humans....there is always some kind of pattern which is probably why people seem to pick up on it or see things which are not always there

(Not saying that there isn't anything fishy with GOM, tbh i don't care as long as Moon carves up!)

Deleted User 3420

24492 Posts

November 30 2010 06:02 GMT

#53

well, im also pretty disgusted by the amount of people that seem to think it would be ok (or are even supportive of) purposeful rigging of a competitive tournament, especially one with such a large prize pool.

andrea20

Canada441 Posts

November 30 2010 06:06 GMT

#54

Boxer of all people has deserved a pseudo-seed. If total randomization was the way to go, then why seed people in the first place?

robertdinh

803 Posts

November 30 2010 06:08 GMT

#55

Stuff like this saddens me.

I think sc2 has the potential to be a great esports game, but the way blizz and gom went about it is too artificial.

1. It needs to be balanced...
2. It needs to be legitimate.

Why should certain players get special treatment in a new game? That ruins the integrity of the competition. I mean people have their personal biases but do you really want someone to get the deck stacked in his favor just because you like him? How is that sporting at all?

I wish these first 3 GSLs were done completely legitimate and fair.

I don't mind them eventually using seedings and such, but transparency ensures a legitimate competition, and they aren't transparent at all.

And obviously with the consistency of how their brackets are arranged each season it is pretty obvious they are trying to get certain big names to go as far as they can in the tourney to hype it up.

Stacking the deck to give people higher chances to win might not be as bad as rigging a match to guarantee an outcome, but it is basically along that same mentality.

PhiGgoT

Vietnam151 Posts

November 30 2010 06:12 GMT

#56

It is not okay, but it is understandable. I mean there is a lot of fishy stuff going on, like moon getting z maps and several other things people have pointed out in this thread. Maybe it's god, who knows, all I know is if FA does not win I want boxer to win. I hope he gets all TvT rig it GOM! Although it would be TvZ if FA lost, but there is no way FA will lose to moon.

Minzy

Australia387 Posts

November 30 2010 06:12 GMT

#57

Though i dont believe you are right, in fact i think you're terribly wrong(if you were right, i wouldnt be surprised though), this is not uncommon in professional sport's, take tennis for example, they usually set up the better players against garbage(not really garbage, but you know what i mean) players, to make sure that the 2 best players have a chance of getting to the final and versing each other, why do you think theres so many federer v nadal matches, why dont they ever vs. each other first round? if anyone else makes it to the final, thats fine, but they give every opportunity for the better players to get there, and dont make it an impossibility.

i already got banned for pointing out a logical conclusion, im surprised OP hasnt either. guess Hot_Bid just doesn't like me.

andrea20

Canada441 Posts

November 30 2010 06:17 GMT

#58

Well, you have Boxer getting an easy time through, but on the flipside, there are also other peculiar sections of the bracket. In GSL2, FruitDealer was matched up against MarineKing (Fake BoxeR) in the Ro32. At the time, MarineKing was the #1 player on the ladder. If the whole bracket was stacked, why would they want FruitDealer to face the top ladder player so early?

This pseudo-seeding seems all right for now. I suppose when the GSL league begins next year, they'll seed based on results, so Boxer would almost be a mid-carder unless he advances far in GSL3.

blackh3d

Australia49 Posts

November 30 2010 06:19 GMT

#59

hard to rig. you'd have to make sure BoxeR's RO32 opponent wins his RO64 matchup to meet him etc. and the same would have to apply his opponent in RO16 opponent who would have to win the previous two matchups and so on.

it's too convoluted to be remotely possible.

so to the OP's suspicions, i say 'NADA'.

biskit

Australia355 Posts

November 30 2010 06:19 GMT

#60

I would be angry if NaDa fights BoxeR in Round64, or even worse, in the preliminary rounds, so I want them to setup the tournament.

BoxeR was lucky to get a lot of his favourite matchup for GSL2, I don't think GomTV set it up after Round64, except if all the non Terran players involved were bribed to lose. And there's no guarantee that he won't be beaten today either.

I don't like the no map veto rules though, especially when some maps are favouring different races.