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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 30 2010 04:52 GMT
#21
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up
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Biggo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia185 Posts
November 30 2010 04:54 GMT
#22
As my liquibet shows, there is no sure thing.

While they probably gave him a favourble RO64, it becomes much harder to 'manipulate' it beyond that. New players pop up each season who suprise everybody and go deep into the series, knocking out favourites on the way
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 04:56:17
November 30 2010 04:54 GMT
#23
I dunno, just looking at the brackets over the three GSLs, the only things obvious to me are that:

1) They distribute the races evenly between the brackets
2) They make it so that "name" players don't face each other in the first round

I don't think Boxer is the only player who benefits from this though, none of the top players really want to play anyone "good" in their first round. If it was truly random, then there would be an uproar on TL if for example two foreigners got paired together, or a foreigner had to play Nestea or Foxer in the first round.

As for the TvT...your theory seems likely, but we don't have any real proof. Boxer's ro32 opponent could have been a Zerg or a Terran, and same for his potential ro16 opponent. If they really wanted to rig it then they would keep Zergs out of that side of the bracket...
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curtis
Profile Joined September 2010
Iran21 Posts
November 30 2010 04:55 GMT
#24
well the point is , the only Balanced early/mid/late game Matchup for Terran is TvT lol.even with emperor being best in TvT , think he lost like 100% of Zs ,wich makes me think Blizzard should patch this stupid matchup very fast . dont blame GOMTV , blame matchup imo
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
November 30 2010 04:56 GMT
#25
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?

User was temp banned for this post.
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Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
November 30 2010 04:59 GMT
#26
It's human nature to find patterns and coincidences in random data. I'd suggest holding back a little on the accusations of wide-scale conspiracy based on a few scraps of flimsy data.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:01:43
November 30 2010 05:00 GMT
#27
yea pretty obvious they rigged the bracket and i think it has been said before that the brackets are "made" so it's an open secret and not something that is hidden.

I don't mind it actually because i don't think rigging the bracket benefit anyone in particular. Everyone is an unknown quantity Like you would probably prefer playing against Nestea compared to someone like Zenio before GSL 2. Or you'll prefer playing against Bitbybit rather than Rainbow. But turns out Rainbow got destroyed by NewDawn who got destroyed by Bitbybit.

So yea i don't mind them rigging the bracket because i don't think it does anything in terms of giving someone an "easier" path. Rigging the map though is something that i despise.

Pretty sure even David Kim already said that they know their maps are bad and that the maps are made to offer good ladder experience ( i.e you get varieties and not so much balance). So I don't see why GOM insist on having all maps featured or rigging the maps to favour a particular player.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
November 30 2010 05:00 GMT
#28
On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up


funny, i was also thinking this, and what the OP is thinking. I'm sure a lot of people have been.
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
November 30 2010 05:03 GMT
#29
On November 30 2010 13:56 drewbie.root wrote:
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?


They made the probability significant without it being utterly obvious like a 100% Terran bracket. The fact that big name players seem to miss each other till the later stages of the GSL for 3 seasons seems a bit too coincidental.

No-one is arguing it's a bad move though, no need to call people stupid.
I think esports is pretty nice.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46303 Posts
November 30 2010 05:04 GMT
#30
On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up


How RIDICULOUS would it be if Jinro defeats the icon of WC3 and then the icon of SC1?

Don't do it, Jinro! They'll hire a hitman and

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donut boi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States154 Posts
November 30 2010 05:04 GMT
#31
the maps for jinro vs moon arent too great for terran either... aside from xel naga, their matches include blistering sands and scrap station (most ppl would agree that these are zerg favored maps).
donut the bronut
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
November 30 2010 05:05 GMT
#32
Boxer had 6 zergs in his bracket. And he's got quality players like MVP, Idra, Check, and some wildcards like Drug (who beat Sangho in the qualifiers, so he was no chump), Moon and Jinro. Boxer could quite possibly play moon in the ro16, and then either Idra or Check in the ro8. Did Gomtv give Boxer a favorable ro64? Possibly, but even Hopetorture lost to an unknown so you never know what will happen.
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 30 2010 05:06 GMT
#33
On November 30 2010 14:04 donut boi wrote:
the maps for jinro vs moon arent too great for terran either... aside from xel naga, their matches include blistering sands and scrap station (most ppl would agree that these are zerg favored maps).


which is exactly the point.

They "prefer" Moon to advance
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
November 30 2010 05:06 GMT
#34
ASSUMING this was true, i'd hope this doesn't go further as it could end up like MBCGame and Warcraft3 and ultimately be harmful to the korean scene, and with the weakened BW scene this would be horrible.
DentThat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
November 30 2010 05:09 GMT
#35
On November 30 2010 14:03 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 13:56 drewbie.root wrote:
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?


They made the probability significant without it being utterly obvious like a 100% Terran bracket. The fact that big name players seem to miss each other till the later stages of the GSL for 3 seasons seems a bit too coincidental.

No-one is arguing it's a bad move though, no need to call people stupid.


Thank you! And here I was, rooting for Drewbie in the MLG's... ;P

On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up

Jinro vs Moon will be edge-of-seat suspense then. And please go back to answering our questions in the PvZ thread Plexa! lol
NEX(NSP)Genius...finger waggin' and hair combin' taunts. Whats next?
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:14:42
November 30 2010 05:09 GMT
#36
frankly moon and july getting s class as well would benefit the game in korea; boxer in the finals would be even better
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 30 2010 05:10 GMT
#37
and a lot of you don't think the government had anything to do with 9/11

im amazed, lol
DentThat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
November 30 2010 05:11 GMT
#38
no need for thread derailing
NEX(NSP)Genius...finger waggin' and hair combin' taunts. Whats next?
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:16:56
November 30 2010 05:14 GMT
#39
might be setup somewhat or whatever but the sample size is so miniscule.
there are loads of people not playing a mu or two too much

zergbong, 1set of ZvP
fruitdealer, 1set ZvZ 2 set ZvP
foxer, 1 set TvP 1(long) set TvT
boxer, 1 set TvP 1(long) set TvZ
maka, 1 set TvT
ESV Mapmaking!
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:32:45
November 30 2010 05:15 GMT
#40
im pretty sure OP is right.

i get the motivation for ratings, but that just seems kind of kespa-ish to me. kills the spirit of competition imo.


On November 30 2010 13:56 drewbie.root wrote:
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?

User was temp banned for this post.



You really need to adjust your attitude. These kinds of abrasive posts are really not constructive. I also feel you may have missed the point of what the OP was trying to say.

Edit: lol the red writing wasn't there when I clicked quote :O gj mods.
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