• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:54
CEST 01:54
KST 08:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy13ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research7Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Build Order Practice Maps Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM [ASL21] Ro24 Group E [ASL21] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7711 users

GomTV protecting Boxer? - Page 2

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 20 21 22 Next All
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 30 2010 04:52 GMT
#21
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Biggo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia185 Posts
November 30 2010 04:54 GMT
#22
As my liquibet shows, there is no sure thing.

While they probably gave him a favourble RO64, it becomes much harder to 'manipulate' it beyond that. New players pop up each season who suprise everybody and go deep into the series, knocking out favourites on the way
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 04:56:17
November 30 2010 04:54 GMT
#23
I dunno, just looking at the brackets over the three GSLs, the only things obvious to me are that:

1) They distribute the races evenly between the brackets
2) They make it so that "name" players don't face each other in the first round

I don't think Boxer is the only player who benefits from this though, none of the top players really want to play anyone "good" in their first round. If it was truly random, then there would be an uproar on TL if for example two foreigners got paired together, or a foreigner had to play Nestea or Foxer in the first round.

As for the TvT...your theory seems likely, but we don't have any real proof. Boxer's ro32 opponent could have been a Zerg or a Terran, and same for his potential ro16 opponent. If they really wanted to rig it then they would keep Zergs out of that side of the bracket...
Don't hate the player, hate the game
curtis
Profile Joined September 2010
Iran21 Posts
November 30 2010 04:55 GMT
#24
well the point is , the only Balanced early/mid/late game Matchup for Terran is TvT lol.even with emperor being best in TvT , think he lost like 100% of Zs ,wich makes me think Blizzard should patch this stupid matchup very fast . dont blame GOMTV , blame matchup imo
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
November 30 2010 04:56 GMT
#25
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?

User was temp banned for this post.
www.root-gaming.com
Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
November 30 2010 04:59 GMT
#26
It's human nature to find patterns and coincidences in random data. I'd suggest holding back a little on the accusations of wide-scale conspiracy based on a few scraps of flimsy data.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:01:43
November 30 2010 05:00 GMT
#27
yea pretty obvious they rigged the bracket and i think it has been said before that the brackets are "made" so it's an open secret and not something that is hidden.

I don't mind it actually because i don't think rigging the bracket benefit anyone in particular. Everyone is an unknown quantity Like you would probably prefer playing against Nestea compared to someone like Zenio before GSL 2. Or you'll prefer playing against Bitbybit rather than Rainbow. But turns out Rainbow got destroyed by NewDawn who got destroyed by Bitbybit.

So yea i don't mind them rigging the bracket because i don't think it does anything in terms of giving someone an "easier" path. Rigging the map though is something that i despise.

Pretty sure even David Kim already said that they know their maps are bad and that the maps are made to offer good ladder experience ( i.e you get varieties and not so much balance). So I don't see why GOM insist on having all maps featured or rigging the maps to favour a particular player.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
November 30 2010 05:00 GMT
#28
On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up


funny, i was also thinking this, and what the OP is thinking. I'm sure a lot of people have been.
Sup
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
November 30 2010 05:03 GMT
#29
On November 30 2010 13:56 drewbie.root wrote:
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?


They made the probability significant without it being utterly obvious like a 100% Terran bracket. The fact that big name players seem to miss each other till the later stages of the GSL for 3 seasons seems a bit too coincidental.

No-one is arguing it's a bad move though, no need to call people stupid.
I think esports is pretty nice.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45430 Posts
November 30 2010 05:04 GMT
#30
On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up


How RIDICULOUS would it be if Jinro defeats the icon of WC3 and then the icon of SC1?

Don't do it, Jinro! They'll hire a hitman and

+ Show Spoiler +
slice off your hands, so you can never play StarCraft again!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
donut boi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States154 Posts
November 30 2010 05:04 GMT
#31
the maps for jinro vs moon arent too great for terran either... aside from xel naga, their matches include blistering sands and scrap station (most ppl would agree that these are zerg favored maps).
donut the bronut
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
November 30 2010 05:05 GMT
#32
Boxer had 6 zergs in his bracket. And he's got quality players like MVP, Idra, Check, and some wildcards like Drug (who beat Sangho in the qualifiers, so he was no chump), Moon and Jinro. Boxer could quite possibly play moon in the ro16, and then either Idra or Check in the ro8. Did Gomtv give Boxer a favorable ro64? Possibly, but even Hopetorture lost to an unknown so you never know what will happen.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 30 2010 05:06 GMT
#33
On November 30 2010 14:04 donut boi wrote:
the maps for jinro vs moon arent too great for terran either... aside from xel naga, their matches include blistering sands and scrap station (most ppl would agree that these are zerg favored maps).


which is exactly the point.

They "prefer" Moon to advance
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
November 30 2010 05:06 GMT
#34
ASSUMING this was true, i'd hope this doesn't go further as it could end up like MBCGame and Warcraft3 and ultimately be harmful to the korean scene, and with the weakened BW scene this would be horrible.
DentThat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
November 30 2010 05:09 GMT
#35
On November 30 2010 14:03 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 13:56 drewbie.root wrote:
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?


They made the probability significant without it being utterly obvious like a 100% Terran bracket. The fact that big name players seem to miss each other till the later stages of the GSL for 3 seasons seems a bit too coincidental.

No-one is arguing it's a bad move though, no need to call people stupid.


Thank you! And here I was, rooting for Drewbie in the MLG's... ;P

On November 30 2010 13:52 Plexa wrote:
Moon is also the only Zerg not to get Steppes as a Map and has an excellent set of maps. Moon vs Boxer is literally one game away. You really gotta think something is up. Here's hoping Jinro screws there evil plans up

Jinro vs Moon will be edge-of-seat suspense then. And please go back to answering our questions in the PvZ thread Plexa! lol
NEX(NSP)Genius...finger waggin' and hair combin' taunts. Whats next?
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:14:42
November 30 2010 05:09 GMT
#36
frankly moon and july getting s class as well would benefit the game in korea; boxer in the finals would be even better
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 30 2010 05:10 GMT
#37
and a lot of you don't think the government had anything to do with 9/11

im amazed, lol
DentThat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
November 30 2010 05:11 GMT
#38
no need for thread derailing
NEX(NSP)Genius...finger waggin' and hair combin' taunts. Whats next?
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:16:56
November 30 2010 05:14 GMT
#39
might be setup somewhat or whatever but the sample size is so miniscule.
there are loads of people not playing a mu or two too much

zergbong, 1set of ZvP
fruitdealer, 1set ZvZ 2 set ZvP
foxer, 1 set TvP 1(long) set TvT
boxer, 1 set TvP 1(long) set TvZ
maka, 1 set TvT
ESV Mapmaking!
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 05:32:45
November 30 2010 05:15 GMT
#40
im pretty sure OP is right.

i get the motivation for ratings, but that just seems kind of kespa-ish to me. kills the spirit of competition imo.


On November 30 2010 13:56 drewbie.root wrote:
yea man, i'm sure they rigged every single round so that a terran would always be his opponent, are you stupid?

User was temp banned for this post.



You really need to adjust your attitude. These kinds of abrasive posts are really not constructive. I also feel you may have missed the point of what the OP was trying to say.

Edit: lol the red writing wasn't there when I clicked quote :O gj mods.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 20 21 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft406
ViBE124
CosmosSc2 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 10417
GuemChi 2727
Artosis 646
ZZZero.O 61
NaDa 7
Shine 3
Dota 2
monkeys_forever572
League of Legends
JimRising 496
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0466
Other Games
summit1g11496
tarik_tv4691
shahzam487
ToD210
Maynarde82
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1238
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4937
Other Games
• Scarra1055
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6m
The PondCast
10h 6m
OSC
1d
RSL Revival
1d 10h
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-31
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.