EPTremember that he just had to talk about the screen the korean observer shows in broodwar.
more background information about the players would be nice though...but i think that will come over time when the second tourney is starting
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
remember that he just had to talk about the screen the korean observer shows in broodwar. more background information about the players would be nice though...but i think that will come over time when the second tourney is starting | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:09 JWD wrote: The number one thing I'd like to see out of Artosis and Tasteless is for them to treat this more like a job and less like a hobby. By that I mean I'd like to see that they prepared for the matches before casting them. Many times they seem not to know anything about the players involved. Can we get some background, anecdotes, anything? This is the sort of stuff that is crucial to developing a young game — we need to know the players to root for them! Overall I think Artosis and Tasteless make a good combo though. I'd love to see Artosis go as in-depth on strategy as he did in his BW commentaries. I was about to say the same thing. If they buckle down and start taking it seriously instead of a 'goof off and get paid' I think they will be extremely good casters. Learn about the players before the match, learn about all the different races and matchups, at least enough to understand the current strats being used. You're proffesional casters now, a position many would kill for, so don't blow it by taking it for granted. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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FearDarkness
United States519 Posts
I also believe they give bios for the players that they can, but it's pretty hard to talk about a no-name. They've mentioned a lot that xy and z are good players especially if they were good at another game and Artosis always talks about how he "sees this guy in ladder" or how "he is so good". If you guys are talking about the player's personal bios, then I think that's hard to come by with the language barrier. The camera will get better over time. Even Day[9] was bad at the very beginning of his daily's. They do need to research more about the races, so they can explain why players make the moves they do, but this game is too young to know too much. They should probably try to get a hold of the GOM replays and study them so they can give better player bios later on. Overall it's been solid commentary for how young and underdeveloped Starcraft II has been so far. | ||
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
I like the faster camera movement it feels more natural and its what im used to. But i'll agree that he shouldnt zoom in as much. Also showing APM at the beginning of the game is pretty useless since the players wont really have anything to do but spam hotkeys. Later on in the game it would be interesting to see though. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
Me personally im in 7th heaven at being able to tune in to Artosis and Tasteless casting from Korea for free. I dont know how much deeper Artosis explanations can get at this point in the games life cycle. I cant think of one time that not being able to see the unit counting station has ruined my GSL experience. | ||
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Dookie1
United States70 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:09 JWD wrote: The number one thing I'd like to see out of Artosis and Tasteless is for them to treat this more like a job and less like a hobby. By that I mean I'd like to see that they prepared for the matches before casting them. Many times they seem not to know anything about the players involved. Can we get some background, anecdotes, anything? This is the sort of stuff that is crucial to developing a young game — we need to know the players to root for them! Overall I think Artosis and Tasteless make a good combo though. I'd love to see Artosis go as in-depth on strategy as he did in his BW commentaries. This is good advice. I haven't got the chance to watch their casting of GOM (link anyone lol =p?), but your complaints are the OPPOSITE of what I complained when I watched HD/Husky cast back in beta. They'd spend so much time just afking on the army that you'd miss tech/macro, unless they had the production tab open. I much prefer the quick/ADD-ness of going all over the map to show you EVERYTHING, perhaps in part because I do indeed have ADD :D and perhaps in other part because as a mid-diamond level player I can easily keep up with the jerkyness and am in fact used to it (not saying OP is below this, just explaining why I prefer it). I like to SEE everything that's going on, rather than just watch someone's army idle for a while. That said, if there's a battle going on yeah stick to it so we can watch some fancy micro of course =] | ||
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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
i think it was often the case that tasteless talks about something and the camera is somwhere completely different or the camera shows something eg idra making a baneling nest and they both don't mention it or the camera follows a dropship 2minutes before tasteless actually mentions it) ..but probably i'm wrong | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
With this much $ on the line I'm surprised they don't have a dedicated English Observer. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:35 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I hope to see them use the production tab more, I know I talked to Artosis about it. It is the most useful tab really out of all of them. APM is cool to switch to here or there to take care of peoples obsession with APM. Income is great for showing how ahead/behind someone is. Production ftw. I agree, they should have production tab open for the most time and switch to income and apm every 2 minutes or so or if a player grabs a new expo. Especially when a zerg is involved the production tab is so useful to see when he switches from drone to fighting unit production. | ||
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SuperGnu
Sweden240 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:48 Vei wrote: This is good advice. I haven't got the chance to watch their casting of GOM (link anyone lol =p?), but your complaints are the OPPOSITE of what I complained when I watched HD/Husky cast back in beta. They'd spend so much time just afking on the army that you'd miss tech/macro, unless they had the production tab open. I much prefer the quick/ADD-ness of going all over the map to show you EVERYTHING, perhaps in part because I do indeed have ADD :D and perhaps in other part because as a mid-diamond level player I can easily keep up with the jerkyness and am in fact used to it (not saying OP is below this, just explaining why I prefer it). I like to SEE everything that's going on, rather than just watch someone's army idle for a while. That said, if there's a battle going on yeah stick to it so we can watch some fancy micro of course =] You have ADD and dont even know wtf it is? lol. yea right, i think you meant ADHD and not ADHD-1(old ADD) If you have ADD you aint all over the place, you are in one place and struggle just to move away almost. | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
On September 10 2010 06:56 Nihilnovi wrote: I actually turn the sound off because the quality of information and the manner in which it is relayed from both artosis and tasteless is extremely lackluster and just annoyed me. I can't see either having any future in casting. The comments are usually really bad, they both talk at the same time constantly, too much of what they say is not related to the game itself but rather bad insider jokes between them which just made me go "wtf?" The camera is horrible, especially when they zoom. The quality of the stream is horrible enough without zooming in on pixels as well as it's really bad on the eyes and confusing. The constant jumping around the map is not very viewer friendly either, and MANY MANY times they jump off to some random spot while I'm watching the minimap seeing two armies going at it while they go something like; "Isn't that right about that one thing that one time at that one place with you and/or me and X random player" "Sure is dude, sure is" "Haha, yeah, it is" "Haha yeah" Overall, can't compare them to day9, hd and husky at mlg and iem. The sheer difference in quality of what's being said is just astounding. I don't know how I can be specific, it would be like telling someone directions to a building that we're both standing in front of. I feel the opposite way, I absolutely cannot listen to HD/Husky cast for more than 30 seconds anymore and their game knowledge seems even less than tastosis. Artosis seems to know a lot more than tasteless and I like their jokey demenor. However I agree with the obsing, they need their own dedicated observer that speaks english. | ||
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techh
Iceland82 Posts
Agree 100% | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On September 10 2010 06:43 godzillathrilla wrote: I don't know if anyone can get this to Tasteless, but if he sees it and doesn't take any criticism too badly I think it could really help. I'll post this on the Gom forums as well, but the topics tend to get buried there fast as few people respond. From watching the Korean stream, I've noticed that their mouse and keyboard scroll sensitivity is quite a bit slower than yours. This helps reduce camera "jerkiness" if you're scrolling around using that method, and you're less likely to slip off someone's base or lose track of a big battle. Also, they like to show off the players' APM at the start of the game, just as an interesting tidbit to the spectators. You can do this by pressing M, although its certainly not imperative. Your other knowledge of the ingame observer options is pretty good--you don't need to overdo these, although try to learn the hotkeys. Don't zoom in too too much, as it can be a distraction from the whole scope of the game--and possibly prevent the spectator from enjoying a larger battle. I do appreciate your avid interest in map details and critters though Although that too can sometimes cause you to miss action or key information.I generally feel like you're watching the game more like one would watch a replay--jumping around a bit too quickly to check out everything at once. While this is great for learning everything that's going on in the game, it makes spectating a bit harder; we're used to a slow camera without too much excessive movement. Move your mouse cursor slowly as well, or else it serves as a distraction to the spectator. Overall I feel you're doing an excellent job for just starting. But one key thing is missing--that old Tasteless excitement. Your old energy for intense movements is somewhat muted because you have to know exactly how to follow the action, and your attention is divided. I don't really know how to solve this directly, without giving up and going to the Korean observer...but I'm sure in time you'll be skilled enough to pull off both at once, and we'll get to hear that old Tasteless fire once again. As it stands Artosis is doing a great job filling in during some key battles, and of course his casting analysis is nearly unparalleled. Anyways, these are just some of my first thoughts, and I know you've been doing all of this to an extent, but it just needs some fine-tuning. Keep doing a great job! I prefer the Production tab. APM is meaningless and I don't care for it whatsoever. But ofc opinions will differ from person to person. Everyone who's hating on Tasteless needs to chill out. He hasn't done anything in an entire year so hes just getting back into it. He also didn't use to have to control the camera and commentate at the same time, so he's gotta get used to it. If you think thats easy, its not. I love Tasteless because he just loves having fun while he commentates. He loves putting humor in his casting and he appeals to casual viewers very well. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:09 JWD wrote: The number one thing I'd like to see out of Artosis and Tasteless is for them to treat this more like a job and less like a hobby. By that I mean I'd like to see that they prepared for the matches before casting them. Many times they seem not to know anything about the players involved. Can we get some background, anecdotes, anything? This is the sort of stuff that is crucial to developing a young game — we need to know the players to root for them! Overall I think Artosis and Tasteless make a good combo though. I'd love to see Artosis go as in-depth on strategy as he did in his BW commentaries. Huge, huge, HUGE point JWD. I was actually yelling at my screen yesterday because they had no idea IntoTheRainbow was playing in game 4 until the game was about to start, they got a look at his face and went "OH HEY THAT'S RAINBOW!" Whenever they were talking about the day's lineup they'd always just skip over the names as if he was some random. I was deliberately waiting around for the fourth game because it was IntoTheRainbow. It took me one TL news post to know he was playing yesterday. The casters, whose job it is to hype up and comment on the games, had no idea? GSL lives in bizarro world right now. | ||
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automocc
United States40 Posts
Other than that, keep it up Tasteless! | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:51 SuperGnu wrote: You have ADD and dont even know wtf it is? lol. yea right, i think you meant ADHD and not ADHD-1(old ADD) If you have ADD you aint all over the place, you are in one place and struggle just to move away almost. There are like 6-8 types of ADD, http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=zVfcu1j_A7E (broke link to avoid img) if you're interested. I don't want to derail too much but I'll just say ADD people tend to enjoy/do much better at things that require their full attention (high APM games like rts, driving, etc). | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
Tasteless seems to have lost his footing since he crushed back in 07/08 or whatever it was. I think he could use some direction, but I still think he's got the knowledge and talent. He's just playing the wrong tune. That said, the Camera is alittle rough, and I'm sick of seeing the zoom in :D my 2cts as a pretty big tasteless fan | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27089 Posts
60 of the 64 gamers in this tournament are Koreans, and most of them are completely unknown to even the die hard fans. It is the commentators job to provide information that we don't have, but it is painfully obvious that neither has taken the time to supplement their knowledge beyond name recognition. Even watching replays of the players and taking a few notes on tendencies would raise the quality of the cast immeasurably. Talking to the players beforehand would help too. Get a translator. But again, this is nothing new. Tasteless has been coasting on his reputation for years and benefits from being the biggest (and only) name in Korea. I have never seen him take concrete steps to actually improve his casting. Which is really too bad really, because his natural charisma makes him great for TV. He just doesn't have anything to back it up with. | ||
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