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On September 10 2010 12:37 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 07:58 Manifesto7 wrote:
This isn't anything new. It was the same deal in BW when Tasteless didn't know the names of the players during the GSI and other events. Those who said he are treating it like a hobby are 100% correct. He don't practice his commentating, he doesn't practice his observing, and he treats the cast like they are chatting on vent and battle.net.
because you live with him? just because someone doesnt quote statistics and meaningless boring shit at you doesnt mean they dont prepare. its blatantly obvious that in less than a week his casts have vastly improved in terms of the sc2 obs features. ya he wasnt familiar with them at first, because he spent his time practicing the game so he could actually talk coherently about it, unlike all but 2 other casters. Show nested quote +
60 of the 64 gamers in this tournament are Koreans, and most of them are completely unknown to even the die hard fans. It is the commentators job to provide information that we don't have, but it is painfully obvious that neither has taken the time to supplement their knowledge beyond name recognition. Even watching replays of the players and taking a few notes on tendencies would raise the quality of the cast immeasurably. Talking to the players beforehand would help too. Get a translator.
its not his job to teach you who koreannewbie#34 is. its his job to talk about the game and be entertaining. and he does that. when a player is noteworthy he talks about them, when theres an unknown who might become noteworthy, like iron, he tells you that. when someone is an actual nobody that means theres nothing to say about them. so he's funny and entertaining and he talks about the game. Show nested quote +
But again, this is nothing new. Tasteless has been coasting on his reputation for years and benefits from being the biggest (and only) name in Korea. I have never seen him take concrete steps to actually improve his casting. Which is really too bad really, because his natural charisma makes him great for TV. He just doesn't have anything to back it up with.
shut up
I agree with everything here  You just wrote it out for me
EDIT: Oh shit its IdrA!!
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This thread has turned from a tip thread to a bash thread. Those who think they can do better, you can try to commentate instead so we can bash you.
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I much prefer the more laid back casting that tasstosis does, rather than a normal sports commentary you'd hear on espn.
keep it up!
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Honestly, from watching the finals live last night, Tasteless and Artosis have taken every bit of useful advice from the earlier parts of this thread to heart. They were definitely on the ball, even though Tasteless sounded like he was dying.
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They have been doing this for years. I think they would take this as an insult, I don't think you were around for their BW casting days.
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On October 03 2010 01:53 GreEny K wrote:
They have been doing this for years. I think they would take this as an insult, I don't think you were around for their BW casting days.
I'm sorry, but isn't this exactly the problem? They didn't live up to their BW reputation and did a pretty bad job, at least at the beginning of the GSL? The thing is, the game has tons new options and they weren't familiar with them, so they should take any advice they can get, even when they have a lot of experience, there's always room for improvement. I'm interested to see how it's going to work out for next GSL, if they keep a high lvl commentary, there won't be any reason to complain, is there?
On a sidenote, there's no reason to start a discussion about HDH, this is about the GSL commentary and nothing else.
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On October 03 2010 00:10 being wrote:
To me it seems that much of the time Tasteless has a hard time relaxing. Instead he seems to be thinking, what to say. Once you start thinking, what to say, you won't really come up with anything good. If he's relaxed & enjoys himself, he's much better. I guess this thread with all this criticism hasn't really helped him either, but just made him more stiff.
Is it any wonder he would have a hard time relaxing? He's commentating AND observing. He's thinking all the time on how best to follow the action and think up something useful to say without interupting Artosis. But no, Both Tasteless and Artosis are big boys that can walk and chew gum at the same time Which quite frankly is insulting to what they do- neither walking nor chewing requires high order thinking- in fact there is little conscious thought involved in walking.
So we dismiss what they do as easy, then demand he rotates through the tabs consistently, switch player views, never miss a piece of action, always have insightful commentary on the strategies of new game, have an encyclopedic knowledge of all the Korean no-names, and the list goes on.
I agree, all of this would be good to have. And yes, Tastosis can always improve. Can they fulfill all these demands? Probably. Can they do it well? Not as well as the Korean commentators that have a separate observer. When it's your full-time to observe, you can be sure that the quality will improve vastly. because that's all you have to think about. And when all you have to do is cast, the casting will vastly improve, because that's all you have to think about. I quite frankly can't see why this would be a hard concept to grasp. And the fact that the Korean casters do have a separate observer, makes the two casts incomparable except to lobby that Tastosis should get a separate observer in their booth.
As it stand, they are doing well all things considered, with some stuff to improve upon, which will come with time. I appreciate that they spent time learning the game rather than just the observer controls.
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HD and husky for GSL2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On October 03 2010 02:42 Pawshter wrote:
HD and husky for GSL2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's my worst nightmare. tastosis casting was superb throughout the GSL.
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if artosis and tasteless read this im sure they will change for the better
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On October 03 2010 01:49 sylverfyre wrote:
Honestly, from watching the finals live last night, Tasteless and Artosis have taken every bit of useful advice from the earlier parts of this thread to heart. They were definitely on the ball, even though Tasteless sounded like he was dying.
Yeah. Ever since the round of 32 or so they have been great. I have no further complaints honestly. They even cut back on the "killing newbies" and other such phrases while still being pretty funny and enthusiastic about their casting.
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Say what you want about HD but he catches the action, and he also presents himself far more proffesionally than anyone in the SC2 casting "bussiness".
He dosent tell you "injokes" between him and his "nerds" or some obscure reference that only 19 people on TL.net know about, he just calls the action, puts over the players and makes the whole thing seem important.
Im sure Idra, Day9 and the rest of the people who know these guys personally enjoy their casting, but the rest of us want someone more proffesional and on point
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Everybody's complaints could be easily fixed if they could get a separate observer for the second season.
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Artosis and tasteless are the best i mean Husky and HD arent funny neither are they too good at starcraft.
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I like Tasteless casting as well as Artosis. They've got me laughing at times, I like to see them get excited during a battle or drop and talk good strategy and have many accurate predictions. I would further like if they could go deep into player's history and stats, but it's not a deal breaker if they don't. The haters here are way too demanding and seem like they don't know what they're talking about. For one, I would definitely not put HD and Husky to commentate for these kinds of matches.
The one thing I would drop from their commentating is the "he is such a cute nerd" comments... sometimes they get a little... O_O especially when you're watching the game and have a non-starcraft fan close by. It gets awkward.
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Personally, I like their casting. My one criticism is that Tasteless seems to be able to point out only the obvious stuff on the TV and just agree with whatever Artosis says all the time. However, he does bring great humor into the casting.
And yes, please use the tab function more. We'd like to see constant use of income, production, unit count, even apm counting station at all time.
Overall, I am happy with what I am getting. I don't treat e-sport hardcore and like it just fine as casual entertainment with casual commentating. I will buy the ticket for next season.
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Maybe TL has been a bit spoiled. A lot of the tourneys so far have had Day9 casting, who at this point is more experienced at casting starcraft II and at being a personality. I felt like at many points Tasteless didn't quite know what to say and had to improvise a lot, which made for some awkward moments and a lot of "uhh"s, but I guess he can improve.
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I've loved the casting so far. No complaints from me! ^^
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I love the odd fascination with the creep animals/robots :D
Get well soon, Tasteless!
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On October 03 2010 02:42 Pawshter wrote:
HD and husky for GSL2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wouldn't watch gsl if that happened, tastosis have been doing amazing and they can actually analyze whats happening in game instead of only stating the very obvious
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