EPT[News] Last Day of FA - and the conclusion - Page 18
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rei
United States3593 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 28 2009 06:43 noddyz wrote: Parents seem more a problem than kespa or free agency in general. What kind of an age is 20 before you can decide your own contracts? Seems crazy. How can people be blaming the parents on this? Are you really so detached from the players that you think seeing them put into unfavorable contracts is better than seeing them retire? | ||
GTR
51270 Posts
On August 28 2009 06:34 Live2Win wrote: Basically when I listen to the main 3 OGN casters for OSL, I usually face-palm a lot (except for kim-carry). Kingdom and TheMarine (who was my favorite OGN commentator) were extremely good because of their ability to analyze what the players are thinking. They pick out small details the players are doing and explain why they're doing it, what they're trying to achieve and what kind of play they are going for. I'll look up an example. someone who is super annoying is 정소림. i'm always tempted to go mute when she's casting. and adding to that, 주훈 was SO BAD when he was commentating when it was a PL day with those two, i always begged themarine would come in and save the commentating for the day. ogn stick to player-commentators only plz. what are your thoughts on  Leader (김창선) | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
On August 28 2009 06:43 noddyz wrote: Parents seem more a problem than kespa or free agency in general. What kind of an age is 20 before you can decide your own contracts? Seems crazy. can you imagine if NBA players had to negotiate their own contracts without agents? and in a tiny room with just a few days time limit? and if they dont say yes, there's a governing body that rigs and colludes between teams to keep their salaries super low? and after that their original team can pay them slave labor rates? of course JD is going to say "yeah i just want to play." every kid would say that. jaedongs parents should be applauded for sticking up for their son. he deserves better and I'm happy his parents are protesting against KeSPA fuck JD and all other players over with this ridiculous FA system. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
Remember Casy's crazy fake-fe stunt vs July on Reverse Temple? Here's what those three were saying during this moment of pure genius. 5:43 Kim Carry's thinking casy's going for an scv/marine rush. Understandable mistake, I'm sure many would have thought that. (I actually don't mind Kim carry's comments, his comments are usually on target) 6:03 Uhm Jaekyung (the chubby one) thinks it's just a missclick. He then goes on to explain that a lot of terrans, incase of surprise zergling attacks, like to hotkey their workers so that they can react quickly to defend, and that this is a case where Casy's hotkeys were mixed up and was the result of a missclick. (which is pretty retarded considering he did a perfect split with the workers and followed up with a rush right aftewards) 6:30 Kim Carry finally suggests that maybe he was trying to fool july into thinking he fe'd, which we all know is what actually happened. So yea, it took 50 seconds for the three to realize what Casy was really doing. I think most of TL figured it out after 10. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
The advantage that this laughable FA system gives to the teams over the players is frankly unacceptable, and its good that SOMEONE is actually doing something against it. So, what are they doing against it? Getting Jaedong to retire isn't going to bring FA down, unless Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, Effort and others all quit in solidarity. All it will do is end Jaedong's career. | ||
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [WCG Spoiler] + In Bisu vs Flash game 2 on ROTK, when Flash's SCV enters Bisu's base and sees the 3rd pylon, Kingdom explains that it would have been better for bisu if the SCV died after seeing just the nexus. "If all Flash saw was 2 pylons, and a silent nexus, he would have been forced to build an academy or an engineering bay, but because that scv lived long enough to see the 3rd pylon AND the nexus flashing again he can now delay those buildings and not worry about early harrassment". A minute later, Bisu's probe is outside of flash's base while flash is flying his CC and rax to his nat.. Kingdom: "Ok, Bisu doesn't know Flash's build yet but all he has to do is see that barracks and he will know. If that barracks flys towards the protoss's base it's 2 fac, but if it lands like it's doing now, he knows it's a fe" That 2nd one completely blew my mind. | ||
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GTR
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
you'd think that the industry has at least the sensibility to avoid controversy and smooth things over, but nooo. i suspect the fa rules on the books don't actually matter much. rather, much of the business is carried out out of sight. these guys had all the opportunity to plan out how the jd situation would be handled, but they evidently settled on a mess like this, infuriate fans, damage their brand, incite further action by whatever player rights groups there are. oh, but of course, they could just change the rules so that jd would eventually sign. nice damage control. im curious as to how this whole situation is being covered both in the fan community and through official kespa organs. | ||
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fanatacist
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Although education in the US wouldn't be bad either. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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fanatacist
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
On August 28 2009 06:43 noddyz wrote: Parents seem more a problem than kespa or free agency in general. What kind of an age is 20 before you can decide your own contracts? Seems crazy. Parents aren't the problem. The biggest problem is that Kespa has outlawed agents to help negotiate for players. Parents don't have the know-how or experience to deal with big corporations which have tons of resources/lawyers. But they have to exert some kind of influence or else the teams will just take advantage of the players. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 28 2009 07:45 NicolBolas wrote: So, what are they doing against it? Getting Jaedong to retire isn't going to bring FA down, unless Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, Effort and others all quit in solidarity. All it will do is end Jaedong's career. They're doing what's in their power and what's probably in the long-run best interest of their son (because even if he loves Starcraft, playing at his current salary makes it hard for him to make long-term plans, while adequate compensation could make that easier). His parents are probably making the realistic assumption that pro Starcraft will not last forever, and Jaedong's career in progaming can't last forever, and that if he can't secure his future in the field financially, he may as well retire. While Jaedong retiring doesn't immediately solve the problem, it does raise awareness in the community that there IS a problem (you can see on TL, seeing as Jaedong's insultingly low salary wasn't even a topic of discussion until these things started to happen). And it is relevant that Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, and Effort aren't being exploited by their teams as much as Jaedong. The only one that's arguably close is Flash, and even he's paid almost 3 times as much as Jaedong is now. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 28 2009 06:39 Chill wrote: Yea, I'm not trying to force the issue here, it's just I always feel extremely jealous when I hear things like this. Then I watched around 100 games always getting them translated and I saw nothing. Well, strategies and insights tends to get boring when you hear them a few times, especially when you have a fangirls base who doesn't particularly care for it. When you watch regular sports games, it's not like the color analyst just sits there and break down every play in detail. Usually the play-by-play guy just describes the action and having a banter. It's only on select occasions when they really look into things. I'm guessing that's the case with BW. They have great insights, but just doesn't choose to say them often. | ||
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On August 28 2009 09:11 baubo wrote: Well, strategies and insights tends to get boring when you hear them a few times, especially when you have a fangirls base who doesn't particularly care for it. When you watch regular sports games, it's not like the color analyst just sits there and break down every play in detail. Usually the play-by-play guy just describes the action and having a banter. It's only on select occasions when they really look into things. I'm guessing that's the case with BW. They have great insights, but just doesn't choose to say them often. no..... 90% of koreans agree MBC commentators > OGN commentators (before TheMarine) | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 28 2009 09:47 Live2Win wrote: no..... 90% of koreans agree MBC commentators > OGN commentators (before TheMarine) lol word my korean friend that got me into sc is like rofl osl commentators just talk a lot of crap mbc commentators oWN | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
On August 28 2009 09:47 Live2Win wrote: no..... 90% of koreans agree MBC commentators > OGN commentators (before TheMarine) ya despite MBCgame sometimes over exaggerates, they have rA, PLAGUUUU Glasses, Yooi and that other terran commentator I forgot. MBCgame's commentators are very detailed while OGN's commentators just ramble on about the old age about how some Legendary players did something embarrassing and whatnot | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On August 28 2009 09:00 TheYango wrote: While Jaedong retiring doesn't immediately solve the problem, it does raise awareness in the community that there IS a problem (you can see on TL, seeing as Jaedong's insultingly low salary wasn't even a topic of discussion until these things started to happen). Very well, then. Since OZ is the problem, I'll do this. I've stripped the OZ tag from my signature until Jaedong gets paid what he's worth. And if they force him out of StarCraft, then I'll switch to SKT1. OK, maybe not that far. I'll switch to CJ. It's a small thing, worth maybe a bumper-sticker in real-world terms. But it's something. | ||
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noddyz
United Kingdom462 Posts
On August 28 2009 07:02 Hot_Bid wrote: can you imagine if NBA players had to negotiate their own contracts without agents? and in a tiny room with just a few days time limit? and if they dont say yes, there's a governing body that rigs and colludes between teams to keep their salaries super low? and after that their original team can pay them slave labor rates? of course JD is going to say "yeah i just want to play." every kid would say that. jaedongs parents should be applauded for sticking up for their son. he deserves better and I'm happy his parents are protesting against KeSPA fuck JD and all other players over with this ridiculous FA system. Kid? JD is 19 not 5. He's already demonstrated that he doesn't 'just want to play', he wants to play for Oz and Oz alone. He was going to get 140 million won, base, for playing where he wanted: a wage far away from 'slave labour' and more in dream land for most 19 year olds. He was going to do what he loved for a good amount of money and his parents stopped him because they felt he deserved more. Maybe he did, especially in comparison to some other pro's, but that's not the point. The point is they should have been able to advice JD, like any good parent would, but not directly step in and stop an adult doing what they want to do with there life. I'll remind you again: he's 19. I don't like free agency. I think it's a disgrace to to slap so many rediculous, harmful, regulations on something and call it 'free'. But in the case of Jaedong, it should never even have been an issue. He should have just been able to sign with his old team, like he wanted. | ||
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