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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
HEY GUYS, I HATE STARCRAFT, ITS FUCKING STUPID, I DON'T KNOW WHY I PRACTIE 12 HORUS A DAY AND WIN OSL'S AND GOLDEN MOUSES, AND HAVE FANS LOVE ME. I WANT TO QUIT BECAUSE MY COACH AND TEAM ARE DOUCHES AND MY PARENTS HATE ME. NOT SARCASM!1!11!!! seriously guys, wtf? jaedong should retire when he wants to, not when hes forced to | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2009 03:45 jodogohoo wrote: + Show Spoiler + HEY GUYS, I HATE STARCRAFT, ITS FUCKING STUPID, I DON'T KNOW WHY I PRACTIE 12 HORUS A DAY AND WIN OSL'S AND GOLDEN MOUSES, AND HAVE FANS LOVE ME. I WANT TO QUIT BECAUSE MY COACH AND TEAM ARE DOUCHES AND MY PARENTS HATE ME. NOT SARCASM!1!11!!! seriously guys, wtf? jaedong should retire when he wants to, not when hes forced to Because clearly his job is worth less because he enjoys it? Jaedong is getting exploited for an insultingly low wage. Just because he's too naive to see it, doesn't accept it out of trust/love for his team, or doesn't care because he loves his job doesn't make it right. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On August 29 2009 03:42 Xxio wrote: It's better to try and fail than to never have tried at all. Hopefully we could add our support to the other english fansites and then the many people protesting this in Korea. I would rather do that than be the person that thought of how awful it is yet did nothing, not even enough to voice their opinion, and by doing so tell KeSPA and other institutions that the fans are ok with this.. The fact of the matter is that we are foreigners who do not go to the games, we do not buy merchandise at the games, and we are basically a waste of potential profit due to GOM and YouTube in Kespa's eyes. They have absolutely no inclination to heed our opinions. Korean netizens are just as fired up about Kespa as we are and have been for a while. This hasn't changed a single thing. This poll, on TeamLiquid, is no different. I voiced my opinion, but I also know that it's fruitless to invest time effort and emotion in this because nothing any of us can do will have any impact on the outcome. Maybe it's the American mentality that fuels people (not necessarily you), the mentality of world police - "There is something wrong there, it is our moral obligation to fix it!" Sometimes people need to abandon that mentality in light of the realization that their words are wasted. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I don't feel like I have an obligation to do anything, but between "oh there's nothing I can do anyways, it's pointless to do anything" and "this disagrees with my principals, I would like to see if people agree with me and something can be done about it" I would go with the second | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
Jaedong is good, getting paid too little is bad, not compromising with him is bad, nothing can be done about it from our positiion. End of story. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On August 28 2009 23:36 qrs wrote: That'll show the bastards! They'll have to offer Jaedong a decent contract now. I'm not saying it's a big thing. Or even a small thing. More than likely, they'll never hear of it, and it won't affect anything. But it's there. What are you doing about it? He was going to do what he loved for a good amount of money and his parents stopped him because they felt he deserved more. Maybe he did, especially in comparison to some other pro's, but that's not the point. Maybe? Maybe? Maybe Lee Jae Dong, arguably the greatest StarCraft player to pick up a mouse, deserves money in line with what Bisu and Flash get? | ||
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natturner
342 Posts
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KingPants
United States54 Posts
I'm not saying it's a big thing. Or even a small thing. More than likely, they'll never hear of it, and it won't affect anything. But it's there. What are you doing about it? I imagine he is doing the exact same thing as you, which is nothing. However he is not congratulating himself on doing nothing. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On August 29 2009 05:47 NicolBolas wrote: I'm not saying it's a big thing. Or even a small thing. More than likely, they'll never hear of it, and it won't affect anything. But it's there. What are you doing about it? I'm doing nothing, because although I feel bad about the way Jaedong is getting screwed, there is nothing I can do about it. Let's be honest, you're not doing anything about it either. I doubt that anyone aside from you cares even a little bit what your team icon is. I understand why you feel the need to make a gesture, though. Sorry for making fun. edit: posted before seeing KingPants post | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 29 2009 04:23 fanatacist wrote: The fact of the matter is that we are foreigners who do not go to the games, we do not buy merchandise at the games, and we are basically a waste of potential profit due to GOM and YouTube in Kespa's eyes. They have absolutely no inclination to heed our opinions. It's sad because, while minor, we do have a by proxy intake of merchandise and do, to a small extent (but probably a fair percentage per capita, given the situation), give them revenue because of services we have to go out of our way to watch. It's not much, but it's not like we're a completely profitless cyst that mooches off them for free (well we are for the most part but there's a brave few who contribute!). | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13534 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2009 13:23 RowdierBob wrote: So how much is JD currently getting paid and how much is OZ offering him to stay on? Jaedong's prior salary was 70M Won (roughly equivalent to 58,000 USD) per year. The original offer that Jaedong's parents turned down was 140M Won, but we won't know the final results of negotiations until the 31st, as far as I know. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13534 Posts
Where does rate in comparison to guys like Nada, Bisu and Flash? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2009 13:37 RowdierBob wrote: Thanks mate... Where does rate in comparison to guys like Nada, Bisu and Flash? Bisu makes 250M Won, Flash around 200M. Can't remember where Nada's is now, though I think I remember him having made a 750M over 3 years deal in 2007. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13534 Posts
And people call Flash "Child Labour Terran." Good on JD's parents. JD easily deserves as much as Flash or Bisu and shouldn't be held to ransom like he is. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
 but I guess a Golden Mouse is a good note to end it on | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
On August 29 2009 13:47 TheYango wrote: Bisu makes 250M Won, Flash around 200M. Can't remember where Nada's is now, though I think I remember him having made a 750M over 3 years deal in 2007. are you serious? bisu makes 3.5 times more than JD? that is fucking ridiculous, oz should be bitch slapped 9 times in the face for being such cheap asses | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
On August 29 2009 16:42 blue_arrow wrote: Bisu makes 4 times more than JD.are you serious? bisu makes 3.5 times more than JD? that is fucking ridiculous, oz should be bitch slapped 9 times in the face for being such cheap asses Because current JD’s salary is 60M Won. On August 20 2009 17:27 Waxangel wrote: Previous to negotiations salary = current salary. Triple of current salary is 180M --> current salary is 60M.OZ is said to have offered Jaedong 140,000,000 won in base salary, with bonuses up to 60,000,000 won. Jaedong's mother is said to have requested a base salary in the region of of 180,000,000 won and/or triple his previous salary. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 29 2009 16:42 blue_arrow wrote: are you serious? bisu makes 3.5 times more than JD? that is fucking ridiculous, oz should be bitch slapped 9 times in the face for being such cheap asses Uhm, Jaedong made 60-70M (have seen both numbers, so I dunno), because it was an old 2 year long (or 3, I think it's 2 though) contract that was signed back when he was a good PL player, but nothing more (and nothing close to what he is now), so it was a reasonable contract. | ||
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