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BloodyC0bbler
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Incognito
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
On May 21 2009 16:08 Incognito wrote: Well...since nobody's doing anything useful, I might suggest MBH as a target for viging. He probably should be analyzing by now, and he seems rather unhelpful to me. Other suggestions might be Tricode, 0cz3c, or Malongo? I'm not sure. But we should probably have some discussion. I think if we hit at least a mafia or two with the vigi hit + double lynch it'll give us decent chances Lol how about viging incognito? | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
btw ace was acting so agressive, i thought he was mafia for sure  | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
Moving on. I think I need to reread the entire thread. Sort of play it from the mafia perspective. I'm pretty demotivated tonight so I'll get to it tomorrow at uni. In the meantime, we need to help her work out who she wants to hit or it going to be wasted. I really am at a loss right now who to suggest.. could we get some discussion on this? | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
On May 21 2009 16:08 Incognito wrote: Well...since nobody's doing anything useful, I might suggest MBH as a target for viging. He probably should be analyzing by now, and he seems rather unhelpful to me. Other suggestions might be Tricode, 0cz3c, or Malongo? I'm not sure. But we should probably have some discussion. I think if we hit at least a mafia or two with the vigi hit + double lynch it'll give us decent chances You're a moron. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
Caller RebirthofLegend nemY I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Ver's analysis's are usually pretty good and I believe he said all of 0cz3cs above mentioned people are MOST LIKELY innocent. Except me, who he wasn't sure about. 0cz3c, before I even saw his list I thought you were suspicious. 0cz3c's behavior becomes slightly difficult to read because in 3/5 games he was acting retarded (if you were in the games, you know what I mean) and as Ver said before, I suspect that the mafia were lying low for most of the game and just watching us hang ourselves. You posted just enough to not be viewed as inactive, just enough to not help at all, and just enough to fuel some fires. In previous games you did everything you could do to be noticed. Now that you are mafia amid all the sheer chaos that has been going on the last two days, you just tried to stay away from it. Unfortunately the votes list really don't help us because they were both fucking town :/ So that post on page 75 means almost nothing. Now it seems you are trying to start a new wave of shit when NemY can finally try to use his role check within 24 hours if he is a DT, Caller (according to Ver) is most likely innocent. I don't really know, but not much stood out to me. and me, the person who accused you a few pages back and I guess is any easy suspect considering my Zerg rush on to Ace? Who knows. Either way they were both innocent, which makes me feel better about being dumb and guided by the chaos, but also makes the town more in trouble. So L, where are you going from here? I am curious. I think the vigi should just hit 0cz3c. It seems reasonable. | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
So anyway... Great fucking job all. And Ver tells the Town it plays bad? Oh sure. You basically shat on the whole game, being in the most important position none the less. Sure, go ahead and take out your lulz or whatever for misreading you. I simply gave you too much credit. I somehow assumed, that one of our (supposedly) BEST players, would actually contribute more than tossing the Town into chaos. I read you absolutely correctly. Out of all the possible options, why the hell should I have included "oh, Ver is probably just totally fed up with the game, so he prolly won't even bother replying even tho he's following the thread, and he's prolly gonna ask to be modkilled anyway, and oh, he's veteran" possibility into my guesses? Yeah, how foolish of me. Maybe it's because I assumed it's a vet game, and people would actually play, especially OUR MAYOR of all people. Especially after he promised it 30 times. You completely misread Ace, Ver. And L did too, of course. Yeah, I was wrong about your role (not about you per se tho, because lynching you WAS better for the Town), but L was wrong on pretty much every account. I thought both Ace and me made it blatantly obvious we're not Mafia. Don't go blaming him, I got his message. Whatever, you won't even read this anyway. Why the hell do I have to be so disappointed again? Goddamn. Even I thought that Ver would do some work in the office, or otherwise, why take it away from someone who actually wants to (ME)!? You're the one who completely misplayed his role Ver! I don't even want to point out any of the flaws, because I don't have the will, nor will you ever read it anyway. I'm just disappointed again. Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM. Next time, maybe you guys will vote for me. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On May 22 2009 00:55 Mynock wrote: Once more, everything happened overnight here, while I was sleeping on the other half of the Globe. So anyway... Great fucking job all. And Ver tells the Town it plays bad? Oh sure. You basically shat on the whole game, being in the most important position none the less. Sure, go ahead and take out your lulz or whatever for misreading you. I simply gave you too much credit. I somehow assumed, that one of our (supposedly) BEST players, would actually contribute more than tossing the Town into chaos. I read you absolutely correctly. Out of all the possible options, why the hell should I have included "oh, Ver is probably just totally fed up with the game, so he prolly won't even bother replying even tho he's following the thread, and he's prolly gonna ask to be modkilled anyway, and oh, he's veteran" possibility into my guesses? Yeah, how foolish of me. Maybe it's because I assumed it's a vet game, and people would actually play, especially OUR MAYOR of all people. Especially after he promised it 30 times. You completely misread Ace, Ver. And L did too, of course. Yeah, I was wrong about your role (not about you per se tho, because lynching you WAS better for the Town), but L was wrong on pretty much every account. I thought both Ace and me made it blatantly obvious we're not Mafia. Don't go blaming him, I got his message. Whatever, you won't even read this anyway. Why the hell do I have to be so disappointed again? Goddamn. Even I thought that Ver would do some work in the office, or otherwise, why take it away from someone who actually wants to (ME)!? You're the one who completely misplayed his role Ver! I don't even want to point out any of the flaws, because I don't have the will, nor will you ever read it anyway. I'm just disappointed again. Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM. Next time, maybe you guys will vote for me. This is why I voted for you. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
That said, I'm not giving up. On May 21 2009 23:41 0cz3c wrote: By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia. Caller RebirthofLegend nemY I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling. I actually agree fully with this. Here is my reasoning: Caller has been playing Mr. Middle Ground all game, never posts anything truly constructive, and seems to just be feigning a high level of activity by responding to peoples posts with "LOL" and such. Also, the way he voted towards the end of last night was very odd, in that he flip-flopped suddenly twice between the candidates. And now that we know that both were innocent, we know that Mafia probably didn't care which of them got killed or not, because either way, half of town would be up in arms about it. Though perhaps it should be noted that Ver roleclaimed as Vet long before the vote ended. That would have given Mafia some incentive to switch over some members to his side. Rebirth has been played the "I don't know what's going on, guys" card, which is usually unacceptable to me with town-side. However, with one of his recent posts that highlighted people who voted for Ver as well as voted for Ace to be lynched, his name is cleared a bit in my mind. It seemed like a sincere effort, and only Mafia would have known for sure at that point that both Ace and Ver were not Mafia. Which is another thing. Though they were right, keep the people who were saying that we shouldn't lynch either leader in mind. This is a category simply because it's a smart play to have a few members advocate against the lynching when it's already obvious it's going to happen and you know the outcome is in your favor no matter who it is that is lynched. These include: Showtime! - Voted for Plexa to get some activity out of him. Caller - Claimed he thought the lynch was stupid which is why he switched his vote to me, before going back and forth later. Voted Ace (maybe just a joke), MTF, Ace, Ver. Amber[Light] - Just stated that he didn't think either leader should be lynched, then voted Ace. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
I don't think a Mafia member would put himself out in the open so blatantly like this, though, so I'm betting he's traitor. And I'd be wary of what information comes out of him tomorrow, guys. I'm sure he'll use a rolecheck, real DT or not. Not a single person should immediately buy into it. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
On May 22 2009 00:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yeah, I was about to say I suggest we vigi hit 0cz3c. Ver's analysis's are usually pretty good and I believe he said all of 0cz3cs above mentioned people are MOST LIKELY innocent. Except me, who he wasn't sure about. 0cz3c, before I even saw his list I thought you were suspicious. 0cz3c's behavior becomes slightly difficult to read because in 3/5 games he was acting retarded (if you were in the games, you know what I mean) and as Ver said before, I suspect that the mafia were lying low for most of the game and just watching us hang ourselves. You posted just enough to not be viewed as inactive, just enough to not help at all, and just enough to fuel some fires. In previous games you did everything you could do to be noticed. Now that you are mafia amid all the sheer chaos that has been going on the last two days, you just tried to stay away from it. Unfortunately the votes list really don't help us because they were both fucking town :/ So that post on page 75 means almost nothing. Now it seems you are trying to start a new wave of shit when NemY can finally try to use his role check within 24 hours if he is a DT, Caller (according to Ver) is most likely innocent. I don't really know, but not much stood out to me. and me, the person who accused you a few pages back and I guess is any easy suspect considering my Zerg rush on to Ace? Who knows. Either way they were both innocent, which makes me feel better about being dumb and guided by the chaos, but also makes the town more in trouble. So L, where are you going from here? I am curious. I think the vigi should just hit 0cz3c. It seems reasonable. Alright. So you're either a mafia, or a moron. If you're a mafia, then your post makes sense. You could also simply be an idiot who takes posts to be at face value. However, I'll side with the fact that you're mafia (Let me remind everyone, however, that I think he's an idiot, too.) Here's why: Did you even read my posts in this topic? If you didn't, then you could be simply a moron. If you did, then there are two possibilities. First, you're just not very good at reading. I mean, you'd have to be REALLY bad not to be able to read. Second, you're mafia. In my posts, folks, AND PLEASE READ THIS, I made sure to stick up for nemY and Caller, because I feel that, almost indisputably, they are innocent. I won't reveal why I know this, and I may be just pulling things out of thin air, but I also don't want mafia to merely see exactly what I'm saying and use that to their advantage. But I guess I have to, since you're mafia....or just brain-dead. I have defended nemy and caller almost from the start. If I said that at least one of the three could be mafia, and I knew for certain that one was, then, who, I ask you, would I be suggesting? YOU. If you're a townie, then, goddamnit, read between the lines. Consider why I had said what I had said. There is a reason. I even said a medic should protect Caller at night. Think before you speak if you're a moron. However, I don't think that you're playing the bumbling fool this game (although let's not kid ourselves: you don't need to "play" a bumbling idiot). Your posts have been crap this game. Utter crap. You've said nothing useful, and you've always been wrong. You have simply ignored all serious allegations against you. And because the town has been focused on Ver and Ace, you have gotten away with it. Accusing me to be vig'd is simply stupid, and I believe the entirety of the town recognizes that. At the start, I was literally the only person making an effort with clue analysis. Of course, it was ignored. Why bother helping a town that simply ignores my posts? It's not worth the effort. I suspect that's why I made an excellent mafia last game, as the majority of the town simply looked past my posts. That's not only detrimental to the town; it's also just plain dumb. Yeah. I feel like I'm playing the Ace card here, and I recognize how ineffective it is, but there simply is no way I could be mafia. You can't even say that Ver's analysis this game is legitimate as he's been playing so poorly. His conclusion that I am mafia (or rather, placing me on a 5/6 or 6/6 list) is wrong. I'll tell you that right now. Lucas is my brother. He would have UNDOUBTEDLY BEEN ABLE TO READ MY REAL FACIAL EXPRESSIONS WHEN BRING FORTH AN INQUISITION. HE WOULD HAVE TOLD SOMEONE. Don't merely be a jackass (and this includes Ver). Ver, have you ever played mafia with a person you've known for 24 hours of a day for 17 years? How about you RoL? No? Haven't seen how obvious it is to tell whether a person is lying based on so many past experiences? No? Then shut up. You're merely derailing the progress of the town. In all fairness, I didn't think my brother was a BG. I thought he was a medic. I felt convinced that we was protecting somebody. Apparently that much was right. By the way, I asked you a question to which you never responded. It was an incriminating question, and you refused it's answer. L answered for you. You're more suspicious on my list than anyone else, but, then again, it's always really tough to tell when you're in the mafia, because every game you decide to be stupid. I'm not an idiot; I'm merely mocking the tones or words of another when he/she is being ridiculous. But I'm sure you look past that. By the way I've never used this strategy when mafia. Why would I? It's the most incriminating thing I could do. The fact that I can write in coherent sentence, something which you, unfortunately, cannot do, should suggest to you that I'm smarter than that. Why the hell would I put myself into the open when I recognize that I don't have to? You guys clearly just ignore me either way. And bear in mind that this is a veteran's game. I'm playing with people who have seen me act this way, and have gotten news of my tendencies. The fact that Ver suspects me as a mafia (or rather suspected) shows to me how poor he is in analyzing what's in front of him correctly (although, I suspect, it's simply that he doesn't have the time he needs). Behaviorally, therefore, I'm playing the game I ALWAYS DO WHEN I'M A TOWNIE. In relation to Lucas, there is only my innocence, and that should be transparent even to idiots. Clue wise? Well, let's not kid ourselves. Although LTT and Qatol are doing a fantastic job at writing well, you're choosing to look past them. I doubt you could find anything sufficient linking to me? Actually, I'm confident. You know why? It's not there, because I'm not mafia. In fact, to all: anyone who does suggest any clues should be lynched after my death (and by that time, you will sufficiently know that my role is one helpful to you). It doesn't seem reasonable to vigi me. You know why I voted for Ver? He was playing very poorly, and Mynock was willing to put himself on the chopping block. I initially vote for Ace as mayor, because I assumed that he would play fairly well. But no, that hasn't happened. The only person I think who's actually making a decent effort this game is L, and, if he is indeed mafia, he has me totally fooled. But what troubles me most is the fact that you even bothered to reply to my post. You usually ignore things, probably because, as you just showed, you can't present any reasonable argument (it's more of a plea ("I think")). There's no reason in those keys typing useless posts. Ace even said at one point (which I said to myself as I was reading it), "Useless" when reading your posts. The only explanation for why you bothered to post is that you panicked. You almost certainly didn't have to. But then again, you could have merely been a stupid townie. I won't ask the vigilante to kill RoL. It's not confirmed by any means that he's a mafia. We need that one kill. Therefore, I ask the vigilante to think on his own grounds. I feel that he's mafia, but, if I'm wrong, then we've essentially wasted a shot. And the fact that RoL is among the darkest bulbs on the Christmas convinces me that pulling the trigger preemptively (i.e., now) might be a mistake. Let's substitute RoL's impulse with reason, and let's think for a moment. I'll probably post some more stuff after I finish my papers (which, in case you're wondering, is the reason I haven't been entirely active. I attend a difficult institution, which means that until 4/5 PM, I don't have access to the Internet; furthermore, from 4/5 until I go to sleep, I have my hands full studying, doing homework, and preparing for classes the next day. If you would see through my posts, you'd notice the undeniable consistency of what I just said. (Look at the time. Don't worry: no words, for I know you can't read; only numbers. Then again, since you can't read, you won't read this post either. /sigh) | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 22 2009 02:34 MTF wrote: Well, we fucked up. Sort of. Like Mynock said that lynching Ver was the right decision. It just wouldn't have happened to have a good outcome, no matter how it played out. But, hey, at least we'd still have someone who cared about the game in still. That said, I'm not giving up. I actually agree fully with this. Here is my reasoning: Caller has been playing Mr. Middle Ground all game, never posts anything truly constructive, and seems to just be feigning a high level of activity by responding to peoples posts with "LOL" and such. Also, the way he voted towards the end of last night was very odd, in that he flip-flopped suddenly twice between the candidates. And now that we know that both were innocent, we know that Mafia probably didn't care which of them got killed or not, because either way, half of town would be up in arms about it. Though perhaps it should be noted that Ver roleclaimed as Vet long before the vote ended. That would have given Mafia some incentive to switch over some members to his side. Rebirth has been played the "I don't know what's going on, guys" card, which is usually unacceptable to me with town-side. However, with one of his recent posts that highlighted people who voted for Ver as well as voted for Ace to be lynched, his name is cleared a bit in my mind. It seemed like a sincere effort, and only Mafia would have known for sure at that point that both Ace and Ver were not Mafia. Which is another thing. Though they were right, keep the people who were saying that we shouldn't lynch either leader in mind. This is a category simply because it's a smart play to have a few members advocate against the lynching when it's already obvious it's going to happen and you know the outcome is in your favor no matter who it is that is lynched. These include: Showtime! - Voted for Plexa to get some activity out of him. Caller - Claimed he thought the lynch was stupid which is why he switched his vote to me, before going back and forth later. Voted Ace (maybe just a joke), MTF, Ace, Ver. Amber[Light] - Just stated that he didn't think either leader should be lynched, then voted Ace. The reason I've been posting with a lot of Lol's is quite simple. Ver asked me to being trolling hardcore in order to try and oust some sort of reaction from any mafia-hence I pretty much just "lold" at every single post I thought might have been suspect to get an excited reaction. It was said earlier that Ace and I are among some of the best instigators whom are most able to get under peoples' skin and get them to make a stupid mistake (i.e. capek). Hence, I tried to perform in that capacity. I was working with Ver from essentially the very beginning of the game, because I thought he was playing green that round, and I knew that he would rarely if ever run for mayor as mafia because he doesn't like being mafia. When he mentioned that he had a lot of PMs, those PMs were mostly from me. Originally, we were going to do a plan to try and out mayoral candidates, as we felt that at least one would have been mafia, just like Ace had mentioned earlier. The plan was going to be a combined lynch + pardon attempt like I did in AMW, except we would be more prepared to whether the consequences this time. We were going to try and get somebody important and townish lynched, and see which of the mayoral candidates bandwagoned on him, then pardon him and keep the information. However, when both of the BGs were killed (I'm almost 100% sure it was luck from blue sniping) and the allegations started flying, it was not fun. Every game, I always say that the importance of town stability is critical. I didn't appreciate the L and Ace flamewar because it detracted from more important things like identifying the persons who would likely blue snipe (like MBH and Camlito) and also clue analysis, a lot of which was ignored or buried under massive posts. If I were mafia, clearly rather than try and get town to stop squabbling, I would have encouraged it, perhaps by reinforcing the divide or by further factionalizing town. Instead, I did a lot of behind-the-scenes work. Ver then saw the votes and thought he was going to get lynched because of the BG crisis. He sent me to help organize a few of the people that he trusted into voting for Ace as a bloc. The reason I began to flip-flop is when I asked for further instructions, he no longer responded to my PMs. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
MBH/Camlito: Clearly somebody has been bluesniping. Why else would they hit mikeymoo and Lucas and Fishball, both of whom were trying to stay dl? The only people I know in the game that are still capable of doing that are those two. Dreamflower: While behaviorally, dreamflower isn't that suspicious, the clue analysis fit in pretty well. However, the clue analysis may have fit too well, and that usually means it's not quite right. Combined with the vigilante roleclaim, I think we should wait on this and see if a vigi hit does go through. Showtime! BC made a clue post a while back that pointed really, REALLY well to Showtime!. Combined with MTF's above analysis about us middle-of-the-roaders, I think we should keep an eye on him. I'm trying to get nemy to do a RC/CC on him, so we'll wait on that to see if it goes through. HeavonEarth: What has he been doing exactly? I haven't seen a single constructive post from him. Not much else to say about this. Malongo: He's been trolling just as much as I have all game, except he hasn't been taking a position except suggesting we should lynch anybody that suspects him. Malongo plays weird like that, but yeah, still a bit strange. And that's all I have to say about that. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
Well, seeing as Dreamflower is supposedly our Vigilante, she has to hit somebody tonight if she's going to. Else she either seems like Mafia to us or she gets killed without using it at all. I like MBH and Camlito being up there, as well as Showtime. None of them have been particularly active, though that seems pretty usual for all three of them. That said, all Showtime has posted since the Mayoral election closed were excuses for not being here and "I gotta go soon" posts. It's fully possible he's working behind-the-scenes again with town, but I'm flipping a coin between Mafia and "I don't really care that much" for this game. It should be noted that I think Showtime should be included with Cam/MBH as a blue sniper, and would in fact put him above Cam. Cam pretty much never posts in the thread, whether town or Mafia, so I can't say for him. MBH I've only played one game with, so I don't know much about him besides that he's quiet and resourceful. The other two I'm not so sure on. I don't know HeavOnEarth's playstyle at all and I get the feeling that Malongo is just generally abrasive. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 22 2009 00:55 Mynock wrote: Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM. Lets play DOTA right now  | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On May 22 2009 02:46 Caller wrote: The reason I've been posting with a lot of Lol's is quite simple. Ver asked me to being trolling hardcore in order to try and oust some sort of reaction from any mafia-hence I pretty much just "lold" at every single post I thought might have been suspect to get an excited reaction. It was said earlier that Ace and I are among some of the best instigators whom are most able to get under peoples' skin and get them to make a stupid mistake (i.e. capek). Hence, I tried to perform in that capacity. I was working with Ver from essentially the very beginning of the game, because I thought he was playing green that round, and I knew that he would rarely if ever run for mayor as mafia because he doesn't like being mafia. When he mentioned that he had a lot of PMs, those PMs were mostly from me. Do you have any posts by ver confirming/hinting at this from before he died? Otherwise you can just say whatever you want, and ver can't correct any misstatements. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Wait for me, lol. Rereading this thread is fucking tiring. Every page is like a list of regrets. | ||
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