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Alright, whatever. Chin up town!
Lets take some notice of some of the weird shit in voting. If somehow Ver is not red or traitor, or god knows what the fuck.
Here is the mayoral vote compared with the current vote. Something odd I noticed was how stationary Ver's voters were considering the odd way the mayoral race was playing out. Almost all of Ace's votes changed around, only MBH never changed who he was voting for. The rest did.
Ver however had like 6 votes throughout the ENTIRE election. Now lets look which Ver voters seemed to have pushed this last vote.
Mayor voting.
On May 18 2009 13:31 Qatol wrote:Ver - 8
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BloodyC0bbler
Caller
Scaramanga
Mynock
0cz3c
dreamflower
RebirthOfLeGenD
Vivi57
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Incognito <-- from Showtime
Malongo <-- from Ace
LucasWoJ
Lynch voting.
On May 21 2009 13:35 Qatol wrote:
Ace - 14
Caller
0cz3c
L
nemY
dreamflower
Amber[Light]
Bockit <-- from Ver
Plexa
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Plexa
Scaramanga <-- from Ver
Ver
Ver
Ver
Caller <-- from MTF
RebirthOfLeGenD
Incognito <-- from BloodyC0bbler
infundibulum
Tricode
Among those several people match up to having voted both.
The biggest is infundibulum. During voting mayor voting he NEVER changed off of Ver.
During this lynch vote, he voted Ace last second in order to be one of the votes that turned the tide to kill Ace.
Scaramanga who was one of the later votes on Ace, as well as one of the solid votes on Ver during the election.
There is also Dreamflower who is a self proclaimed Vigi who voted for both without wavering.
BloodyCobbler also voted without changing for Ver as well as voting for Ace to be lynched.
that is all. Maybe I will make another list with colors later.
Infundi should be a primary lynch target next round, considering this and clue linkage.
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On May 21 2009 13:11 Ace wrote:
Check it - infundibulum and RoL just zerg rushed too.
Take dreamflower off my list until another person claims Vigi. With 6 players Mafia won't want to or hope that an inactive Vigi was the case.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS - clear the Vigi issue first. Once thats done, go back to voting list of zerg rushers. Your FIRST suspect should be BC, second should be RebirthofLegend and Incognito.
Then and only then shall you move on to nemy. Don't drop the fucking ball on this.
Medic - of all people not to protect tonight DO NOT protect anyone that voted to have me lynched. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP. There should only be ONE person on that list you should even be thinking about protecting and it's so fucking obvious I wont even say it.
Last but not least, READ my posts. There are tons of little hints in them.
I'm going to quote this and bring it to our attention. Once Ace's full list of quotes are out I'll suggest we go through those together as town too.
There is a LOT of finger pointing that Ace did that I agree with. A lot of fishy voting and supporting that that went down. I will post a full analysis of Ace's suspicions, why they mirror my own in many cases, and what we can do with the full list of voters once we figure out what Ver is.
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RoL, the clue analysis on me is pretty terrible.
My voting record also sucks. This I admit.
If you read my posts it's pretty obvious what my alignment is.
Wait to see what Ver flips before making accusations like this.
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I guess that is true. I can't remember the clue on you anyway. But yeah, I am waiting. I still has mah suspectzz.
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United States2186 Posts
On May 21 2009 13:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 13:57 Ver wrote:On May 21 2009 13:49 L wrote:
FULL LIST OF PMs.
Go. I have around 120-130 pm's. I'm apathetic as it is no way am I posting that. Ask for specific info instead. Fair enough. Simple version: Who do you suspect now that ace has turned up blue and the specific PMs that support that.
You're probably traitor. I thought one of you/ace was traitor and the other green b/c both your play was so awful and dirtied up this thread. Either way you should not be killed though because you aren't mafia (could very well still be green too; I don't know anymore this game was just a mass of badness).
My top suspects are:
MBH (Don't rolecheck as he would be GF, almost positive here)
0cz3c
fusionsdf
heavonearth
Bockit
cam/plexa. More likely Cam given he's like me (Apathetic when mafia). Possibly both?
showtime
Obviously not all 8 are mafia but yeah. Either way too many of them are not helping when they should be.
Too annoying to post pm's but basically you guys want to be looking out for people who are sitting around and not helping even though normally they are very active (fusion, heavon), people who don't contribute anything when they should be (mbh), or in general just look shifty (0cz3c).
On May 21 2009 13:59 Bockit wrote:
Have you been in contact with Plexa?
What has he been saying?
Have you been in contact with Showtime?
What has he been saying?
Have you been in contact with Bloodycobbler?
What has he been saying
What do you think about Nemy?
Why did you run for mayor as a veteran when veteran is the worst role to run for mayor?
All of them yes I have been in contact. Plexa said he was sick. His behavior mirrors AMW but it's not concrete. Uncertain of him.
Showtime yes. He and I haven't talked as much as we normally do. I *think* he might be innocent but it's honestly a hard read and he's contributing way less than he should be. By now he should have a good understanding of what's going on and I don't see it.
I've talked a lot with BC. He's been part of my coalition and he's provided lots of great insights. Positively innocent.
Nemy is likely innocent as well. Didn't trust me though so I haven't talked w/ him that much for awhile.
I didn't make up my 17 people or whoever who I thought were nonmafia. Go back and look for that.
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Caller
2. Incognito
3. scamp
5. bloodyc0bbler
6. fishball (Paramedic)
7. nemy
9. Ver (Veteran)
14. mikeymoo (Bodyguard)
15. dreamflower
16. ace (Towny)
17. infundibulum
19. mynock
20. LucasWoJ (Bodyguard)
21. amber[light]
25. infinity21 (green)
30. L
I ran for mayor as veteran because as I will explain in my 'will' I wanted to stay alive at least until day 3 for an elaborate plan. My role is irrelevant for my ability as a mayor. But quite frankly I'm a terrible mayor and am not going to run again because it's simply too annoying to deal with everything. In future games once I have interest again I'll be sitting in the shadows as per the norm and not try to play the front man. I didn't want to bother outscreaming everyone else earlier and I hope this mass of evidence/analysis can make things clearer.
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United States2186 Posts
I'll provide a few notes on myself before I go.
I seriously hope you guys reflect on what happened and try to analyze things for the future. I would not have done so many of those stunts I did to try and bait mafia out if I wasn't innocent (foiled thanks to masses of garbage that obstructed too much stuff, which is why I was so annoyed and had to start over). Furthermore, absences don't always reflect on role. I was constantly replying to pm's but I felt like anything I posted would be ignored/construed by some random garbage/analyzed by someone grossly wrong. Thus I felt it was useless to post since I couldn't bait out mafia with so many innocents just posting so often and fell back on analyzing with my coalition.
I encourage everyone to sit back, reflect on what happened, and remember my statement that the mafia are the one's who contribute as little as possible and have been staying in the shadows this entire game.
As for analyzing posts, Ace in my mind played this game like a traitor anyway. How much you trust him is up to you; I've been ignoring his posts for a very long time now. I really think L/Ace covered up way too many important posts by all their nonsensical posting. If anyone wants to find their useful points try your best ;/
I really am sorry for doing things like this. I grossly miscalculated how bad of an idea for my motivation running for mayor would be. But honestly I just need to sit out and ignore mafia for awhile. I came in fully motivated and just got so disgusted/and abhorred it. I probably haven't read more than 5 of the last 20 pages and during the lynch. The town doesn't trust me after I was wrong on Ace and this way we won't waste any more town KP on innocents.
As for my guilt, you have to analyze things on how much people are contributing to the town's wellfare. Remember, mafia don't want to contribute more than they have to. I contributed in my own weird way but all of my moves were based on trying to figure out mafia.
Btw absences were legit! Absences depend on context, and pm'ing is very helpful here.
Lastly, Mynock, just for laughs (even though I'm pretty positive you're innocent by posting this so you better not be lynched):
Mynock said: IF VER ISNT MAFIA (or traitor), LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY. If I'm wrong on this one, call me stupid, call me retarded, call me whatever, I'll deserve it.
:D
I guess me and Ace both showed well that things aren't always as they seem. The game isn't over at all though. You guys have all the clout cleared up and can have a fresh start. Just need to be extremely accurate onwards. Good luck.
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United States2186 Posts
I request to be modkilled so that I can focus on priorities and not screw over the town by sucking anymore.
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[no clue area]
MODKILL:
Resigned to his fate, Ver turned his back on the town and jumped over the edge of one of Liquidia's many cliffs towards the sea and rocks below. As he was falling, a giant glowing hand surged down from the sky and smacked Ver into the side of the cliff. The impact was so powerful that his bones were shattered and his remnants were imprinted into the rock face.
Ver the Veteran Mayor is dead.
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Well, L, see! I knew it, I just knew it. GFG.
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Worst possible outcomeeeeeeeeeeee
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I don't like the fact that both days clues talked about bad weather. Day 1 in the opening paragraph, and Day 2 in the closing paragraph. There is only one person with any kind of connection to having bad weather - nemY in his profile
"and maybe tomorrow is a better day..."
Make what you want of this...
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On May 21 2009 14:54 Ver wrote:
I request to be modkilled so that I can focus on priorities and not screw over the town by sucking anymore.
I see through your trickery.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Another thing I don't like...
Day 1 we saw the use of Arrows to kill people (kinda like hunters did), and in Day 2 we have a mafioso "hunting" his victim (and later pulling out a knife, which gets special mention ie is important). This consistent idea of hunting could link to Callers quote
"Attacking a Terran without any lurkers is like going hunting without your accordion."
There are also enough references to sound in those paragraphs to account for the accordian (or lack of)
He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before - wtf what a weird thing to say
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and there you have it, the legit ver =\
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Scrap that interpretation
Tricodes "1, 2, he is coming for you" fits that many times better (although maybe the clues are referencing more than one person in the paragraph despite only one mafia being there). That also coincides with the first day with the assailant of Qatol being unseen
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Plexa, freddy kruger is coming for you.
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Well, speaking of planning (*cough* L *cough*), what do we do with dreamflower's hit? She is already exposed to the mafia, might as well attempt to use it before we lose it.
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On May 21 2009 15:08 Plexa wrote:Another thing I don't like... Day 1 we saw the use of Arrows to kill people (kinda like hunters did), and in Day 2 we have a mafioso "hunting" his victim (and later pulling out a knife, which gets special mention ie is important). This consistent idea of hunting could link to Callers quote "Attacking a Terran without any lurkers is like going hunting without your accordion." There are also enough references to sound in those paragraphs to account for the accordian (or lack of) Show nested quote +He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before - wtf what a weird thing to say
O.O
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Yup and when I die we can come after you next 
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Day 1 use of arrows would link to qatol being a naga from l5r
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