Mafia VIII [GG] - Page 78

On May 22 2009 02:34 MTF wrote:
Well, we fucked up. Sort of. Like Mynock said that lynching Ver was the right decision. It just wouldn't have happened to have a good outcome, no matter how it played out. But, hey, at least we'd still have someone who cared about the game in still.

That said, I'm not giving up.

On May 21 2009 23:41 0cz3c wrote:
By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia.

Caller
RebirthofLegend
nemY

I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling.

I actually agree fully with this. Here is my reasoning:

Caller has been playing Mr. Middle Ground all game, never posts anything truly constructive, and seems to just be feigning a high level of activity by responding to peoples posts with "LOL" and such. Also, the way he voted towards the end of last night was very odd, in that he flip-flopped suddenly twice between the candidates. And now that we know that both were innocent, we know that Mafia probably didn't care which of them got killed or not, because either way, half of town would be up in arms about it.

Though perhaps it should be noted that Ver roleclaimed as Vet long before the vote ended. That would have given Mafia some incentive to switch over some members to his side.

Rebirth has been played the "I don't know what's going on, guys" card, which is usually unacceptable to me with town-side. However, with one of his recent posts that highlighted people who voted for Ver as well as voted for Ace to be lynched, his name is cleared a bit in my mind. It seemed like a sincere effort, and only Mafia would have known for sure at that point that both Ace and Ver were not Mafia.

Which is another thing. Though they were right, keep the people who were saying that we shouldn't lynch either leader in mind. This is a category simply because it's a smart play to have a few members advocate against the lynching when it's already obvious it's going to happen and you know the outcome is in your favor no matter who it is that is lynched.

These include:

Showtime! - Voted for Plexa to get some activity out of him.
Caller - Claimed he thought the lynch was stupid which is why he switched his vote to me, before going back and forth later. Voted Ace (maybe just a joke), MTF, Ace, Ver.
Amber[Light] - Just stated that he didn't think either leader should be lynched, then voted Ace.

The reason I've been posting with a lot of Lol's is quite simple. Ver asked me to being trolling hardcore in order to try and oust some sort of reaction from any mafia-hence I pretty much just "lold" at every single post I thought might have been suspect to get an excited reaction. It was said earlier that Ace and I are among some of the best instigators whom are most able to get under peoples' skin and get them to make a stupid mistake (i.e. capek). Hence, I tried to perform in that capacity.

I was working with Ver from essentially the very beginning of the game, because I thought he was playing green that round, and I knew that he would rarely if ever run for mayor as mafia because he doesn't like being mafia. When he mentioned that he had a lot of PMs, those PMs were mostly from me.

Do you have any posts by ver confirming/hinting at this from before he died? Otherwise you can just say whatever you want, and ver can't correct any misstatements.

i don't have posts, although the fact that I was "97% innocent" seems to belie some things.

I do have PMs.

Here's one:

I think you're innocent. I also think you're a blue.

Unfortunately nobody is voting for you (I'd rather have you in since I think you are the most innocent).

What do you think about the auto lynch? We can a) choose an inactive b) we can choose a big shot c) we can choose someone stupid.

Also, who of the candidates do you suspect? I'm positive at least one of them is mafia. It doesn't look to be Ace anymore so Mynock/Showtime are both very questionable. They've gotten too many votes for my liking.

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Original Message:
hahaha mtf
OMG PLEXA BANDWAGON VOTE AWAY FROM HIM

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Original Message:
I agree pardonner has some use. In the balancing we made it so that pardonner can pardon the mayor's auto lynch; quite handy.

I too would like you/I elected as things stand right now. We just need to stop mtf from scheming his way in again.

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Original Message:
yo,

remember that big plan I made a while back for Ace's game? Well I'm checking the rules for this game, and since the pardoner's back, I think it might be possible to use the pardoner as a way to "incriminate" people, i.e. threaten to lynch person a, pardon them, let mafia hit them. I mean pardoner use is just weird, and obviously limited as well, so why would mafia just ignore its use unless pardoner is mafia, in which case that will be apparent soon enough?

Thoughts will be more coherent when I'm not half-asleep -_-

Here's another:

(title: What are the chances...)
That nobody in the mafia is running.

I'm trying to form a picture of things and it simply isn't clear.

People are switching votes too easily.

Mafia candidates have always gotten elected if they bothered to run. Always. So why were so many people eager to switch around.

Mafia definitely has some good players but I'm honestly not sure what to make of this. Also looks like I can't go with the lynch ace plan b/c he's pardonner. I'm considering mynock but that might be hasty given the above.

I have more but I'm too lazy to post them: if you guys want more, I will post them.

edit for person:

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

May 21 2009 20:16 GMT

#1543

Here's the permission to troll PM:

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Original Message:
We have 48 hours.

I want to lure out as many mafia as possible.

The smart people who go with this BS logic are the culprits.

So far that's Ace, L, and possibly incognito.from me? I don't want the innocent townies leaping on me.

I'm staying quiet until the right moment.

I encourage you to troll hard though. Don't worry ill tell qatol it is with a just cause :D

Here are the ppl I pm'ed to get support. If they don't do it something is fishy:

you
bc
showtime
dreamflower
tricode (bc pm'ed or will)
plexa
scamp
infundibulum

I think the vast majority/all of these are innocent. But just as a contingency.
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Original Message:
I guess the answer is to spam inflammatory comments then, no?

Canada4732 Posts

May 21 2009 20:44 GMT

#1544

Okay, I've done my day 1 reading.

nemY's probably mafia. In fact, when the day 3 rolls around, I'm pretty sure it'll be 100% confirmed for various reasons.

Tricode, I am 90% certain, is a fucking stupid townie, but a townie nonetheless.

Mynock, I am 90% certain, is legit as well.

Scamp looks very red :3

Some thoughts.

Ace and Ver were innocent. During the opening phases of the election, mafia would have likely put 1 or 2 on either/or in order to be able to cut support and spread out their members in order to hide them. Mafia would have a candidate running, though.

Likely Showtime. Earlier on the scene than nemY, showtime had a burst of votes very quickly on the premise that he's a douchebag. Bandwagon forming activity which was then abandoned rapidly when Ace said that all candidates would be checked. Ver pulled far ahead and mafia realized that even with a 2 vote swing (from Ver to Showtime), Ver could remove support from showtime and end the incipient steal.

After abandoning Showtime, nemY pops up and then goes afk for the majority of the game after failing at getting office.

Tricode

United States538 Posts

May 21 2009 21:07 GMT

#1545

On May 22 2009 05:44 L wrote:
Okay, I've done my day 1 reading.

nemY's probably mafia. In fact, when the day 3 rolls around, I'm pretty sure it'll be 100% confirmed for various reasons.

Tricode, I am 90% certain, is a fucking stupid townie, but a townie nonetheless.

Mynock, I am 90% certain, is legit as well.

Scamp looks very red :3

Some thoughts.

Ace and Ver were innocent. During the opening phases of the election, mafia would have likely put 1 or 2 on either/or in order to be able to cut support and spread out their members in order to hide them. Mafia would have a candidate running, though.

Likely Showtime. Earlier on the scene than nemY, showtime had a burst of votes very quickly on the premise that he's a douchebag. Bandwagon forming activity which was then abandoned rapidly when Ace said that all candidates would be checked. Ver pulled far ahead and mafia realized that even with a 2 vote swing (from Ver to Showtime), Ver could remove support from showtime and end the incipient steal.

After abandoning Showtime, nemY pops up and then goes afk for the majority of the game after failing at getting office.

Hey, I'm 110% your the most retard townie here. Every person you seem to want to lynch turns out to be a townie. You only accuse townies so far we got a count of 2 people.

Congrats fucktard.

I onn the other hand was very hesitant to vote for them. Not because i believed they were 100% townies, but because i wasn't sure they were actually mafia yet, though i did find things odd.

So in those regards, you are a well played mafia/traitor or you are on a newb killing spree. Have fun killing more innocents.

Tricode

United States538 Posts

May 21 2009 21:08 GMT

#1546

Edit: them = ace and ver.

Tricode

United States538 Posts

May 21 2009 21:09 GMT

#1547

I'm heading to class. I havent had time to read everything, i just skimmed through things. I'll be sure to reread page 77 and 78 when i get back home. RIght now i'm on my laptop. Have spanish class so i have to focus on that instead of screwing around.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 21:12 GMT

#1548

I think that L is the traitor.
Although his behavior last game was like this( he was mafia) , this game he is openly accusing anyone, everyone if being mafia
Now i've been fine with that until Ver AND Ace have turned up BOTH innocent.
What , are we going to just keep sitting around as L accuses more innocents and just goes "oops" ?
Also, i think he is accusing nemY in hopes of regaining (or refining) the town's trust.
That said, nemY should still be lynched

Although i honestly thought as least one was mafia, so meh. collective paranoia from last game screwed us over moreso than L there =/

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 21:17 GMT

#1549

Short version: Lynch L and nemY

0cz3c

United States564 Posts

May 21 2009 21:22 GMT

#1550

On May 22 2009 06:12 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I think that L is the traitor.
Although his behavior last game was like this( he was mafia) , this game he is openly accusing anyone, everyone if being mafia
Now i've been fine with that until Ver AND Ace have turned up BOTH innocent.
What , are we going to just keep sitting around as L accuses more innocents and just goes "oops" ?
Also, i think he is accusing nemY in hopes of regaining (or refining) the town's trust.
That said, nemY should still be lynched

Although i honestly thought as least one was mafia, so meh. collective paranoia from last game screwed us over moreso than L there =/

Yeah, you're mafia.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 21:25 GMT

#1551

because ?

Canada4732 Posts

May 21 2009 21:28 GMT

#1552

On May 22 2009 06:07 Tricode wrote:

Show nested quote +

Token retard post.

Lol he insulted me, maybe I'll call him mafia in return

That's quite useful.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 21:30 GMT

#1553

yay L's back
ready to make another 20 pages of useless arguments? :D

Incognito

United States2071 Posts

May 21 2009 21:49 GMT

#1554

Why should both L and nemY be lynched? You have no argument there...if you think L is the traitor, then nemY can't be, and would probably be legit or mafia, but I doubt he's mafia. Explain your rationale for lynching nemY please?

And seriously we need to discuss vigi targets. MBH comes to mind here as I've said before. None of the others I mentioned have been saying anything useful either.

Canada4732 Posts

May 21 2009 21:54 GMT

#1555

We'll see how useless this has been come tomorrow :3

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 22:08 GMT

#1556

hey stop that
you're supposed to be mean so i can have an incentive to argue

Also, one thing that L assumed(?) in lynching ace or ver is that the blue's had to have roleclaimed to Ver or Ace.
This is obviously not true. . .

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 22:13 GMT

#1557

@ incognito, why do you think nemY is innocent?

Also , i probably should've added this before but
If nemY doesn't die to mafia tonight, we should lynch him tomorrow.
but eh, mafia could purposefully not hit him , expecting the town to lynch.
However, nemY can use his shit(detective) this night, right? =/ so that might, prove his innocence? =/..

Canada4732 Posts

May 21 2009 22:19 GMT

#1558

On May 22 2009 07:08 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey stop that
you're supposed to be mean so i can have an incentive to argue

Also, one thing that L assumed(?) in lynching ace or ver is that the blue's had to have roleclaimed to Ver or Ace.
This is obviously not true. . .

Well, not quite. If there was a roleclaim, it would mean that Ver shared the knowledge of a BG. That's one of the reasons I wanted his full list of PMs, but he kinda lazied out of this game.

That said, it DOES seem far more likely that there was blue analysis going on, but that can't explain BODYGUARDS. It does explain fishball. We'll know more by the volume of blue hits we receive tonight.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 21 2009 22:25 GMT

#1559

oh true, cause you don't even know if you're a BG eh.
possibly they got lucky? =/

Incognito

United States2071 Posts

May 21 2009 22:31 GMT

#1560

On May 22 2009 07:13 HeavOnEarth wrote:
@ incognito, why do you think nemY is innocent?

Also , i probably should've added this before but
If nemY doesn't die to mafia tonight, we should lynch him tomorrow.
but eh, mafia could purposefully not hit him , expecting the town to lynch.
However, nemY can use his shit(detective) this night, right? =/ so that might, prove his innocence? =/..

Asking why I think he's innocent does not answer the question of why YOU think he's mafia. Please if you're mafia give a better reasoning than that. (If you're town you also need a better reasoning too). You're saying that because we can't guarantee we should hit him. I'm pretty sure we have better suspects then nemY now.

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