On January 07 2009 20:07 IzzyCraft wrote: Wow seriously some of the comments people make in this thread about police bashing is just off the cuff. Frankly at least in most parts of California police officers are to be trusted atlest now... and are unless your a gangbanger or some random shit like that most people have confidence in the police it's a necessary part of governing body that people are put into line when they are out of line.
Can we please keep the cops die fuck cops i hope that guy gets shot bull shit out of this forum. Really all you are doing is breeding hate maybe i should hope you accidently knock over a large object a kill a little boy so then that boys family can wish someone accidently causes your death. For serious just stop that bull shit troll ball busting crap and stop posting when you're high and paranoid.
I can't understand what you're saying.
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Are you f******* kidding me? People telling you to die? Have you watched the video? He was shot by a cold blooded assassin. The guy was cooperating, he had my age, had a kid, was drunk and got into a fight, is that enough to deserve to be shot in the back while you wait to be handcuffed?
Yes, fuck the police. When you give people the authority to arrest, beat and shoot other people, you're bound to see excess. Now the smart asses in here who will try to use this quote and say "Oh, so we don't have police anymore? What would we do then?". I'm not saying I have a solution or anything, I'm just pointing out that with our current system, shit like this is bound to happen. What's worse is cops follow orders without any judgement and become part of the machine which is slowly killing free speach in the western world. Yes, fuck the police.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. See teamliquid, I told you, now do you understand? This is what some people actually think. So, if you guys were surrounded by this guy, would you have your pistols readied?
Seriously, just stop posting until you watch the 2nd video cause you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
On January 07 2009 20:07 IzzyCraft wrote: Wow seriously some of the comments people make in this thread about police bashing is just off the cuff. Frankly at least in most parts of California police officers are to be trusted atlest now... and are unless your a gangbanger or some random shit like that most people have confidence in the police it's a necessary part of governing body that people are put into line when they are out of line.
Can we please keep the cops die fuck cops i hope that guy gets shot bull shit out of this forum. Really all you are doing is breeding hate maybe i should hope you accidently knock over a large object a kill a little boy so then that boys family can wish someone accidently causes your death. For serious just stop that bull shit troll ball busting crap and stop posting when you're high and paranoid.
I can't understand what you're saying.
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Are you f******* kidding me? People telling you to die? Have you watched the video? He was shot by a cold blooded assassin. The guy was cooperating, he had my age, had a kid, was drunk and got into a fight, is that enough to deserve to be shot in the back while you wait to be handcuffed?
Yes, fuck the police. When you give people the authority to arrest, beat and shoot other people, you're bound to see excess. Now the smart asses in here who will try to use this quote and say "Oh, so we don't have police anymore? What would we do then?". I'm not saying I have a solution or anything, I'm just pointing out that with our current system, shit like this is bound to happen. What's worse is cops follow orders without any judgement and become part of the machine which is slowly killing free speach in the western world. Yes, fuck the police.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. See teamliquid, I told you, now do you understand? This is what some people actually think. So, if you guys were surrounded by this guy, would you have your pistols readied?
Seriously, just stop posting until you watch the 2nd video cause you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I watched the second video. It was an accident. It was pretty hard to see, but if they have to shuffle that much, I'm pretty sure he wasn't cooperating as well as he should have. If a cop tells me to get up stand and shut up, I'll do it, fast.
On January 07 2009 20:07 IzzyCraft wrote: Wow seriously some of the comments people make in this thread about police bashing is just off the cuff. Frankly at least in most parts of California police officers are to be trusted atlest now... and are unless your a gangbanger or some random shit like that most people have confidence in the police it's a necessary part of governing body that people are put into line when they are out of line.
Can we please keep the cops die fuck cops i hope that guy gets shot bull shit out of this forum. Really all you are doing is breeding hate maybe i should hope you accidently knock over a large object a kill a little boy so then that boys family can wish someone accidently causes your death. For serious just stop that bull shit troll ball busting crap and stop posting when you're high and paranoid.
I can't understand what you're saying.
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Are you f******* kidding me? People telling you to die? Have you watched the video? He was shot by a cold blooded assassin. The guy was cooperating, he had my age, had a kid, was drunk and got into a fight, is that enough to deserve to be shot in the back while you wait to be handcuffed?
Yes, fuck the police. When you give people the authority to arrest, beat and shoot other people, you're bound to see excess. Now the smart asses in here who will try to use this quote and say "Oh, so we don't have police anymore? What would we do then?". I'm not saying I have a solution or anything, I'm just pointing out that with our current system, shit like this is bound to happen. What's worse is cops follow orders without any judgement and become part of the machine which is slowly killing free speach in the western world. Yes, fuck the police.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. See teamliquid, I told you, now do you understand? This is what some people actually think. So, if you guys were surrounded by this guy, would you have your pistols readied?
Seriously, just stop posting until you watch the 2nd video cause you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Watch all 3 videos and read news posts :D i hate watching the vids makes me sad because it makesit look like everyone is just the jackasses that make a circle in high school when people fight.
What gunpowder did for war, the printing press has done for the mind
On January 07 2009 20:07 IzzyCraft wrote: Wow seriously some of the comments people make in this thread about police bashing is just off the cuff. Frankly at least in most parts of California police officers are to be trusted atlest now... and are unless your a gangbanger or some random shit like that most people have confidence in the police it's a necessary part of governing body that people are put into line when they are out of line.
Can we please keep the cops die fuck cops i hope that guy gets shot bull shit out of this forum. Really all you are doing is breeding hate maybe i should hope you accidently knock over a large object a kill a little boy so then that boys family can wish someone accidently causes your death. For serious just stop that bull shit troll ball busting crap and stop posting when you're high and paranoid.
I can't understand what you're saying.
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Are you f******* kidding me? People telling you to die? Have you watched the video? He was shot by a cold blooded assassin. The guy was cooperating, he had my age, had a kid, was drunk and got into a fight, is that enough to deserve to be shot in the back while you wait to be handcuffed?
Yes, fuck the police. When you give people the authority to arrest, beat and shoot other people, you're bound to see excess. Now the smart asses in here who will try to use this quote and say "Oh, so we don't have police anymore? What would we do then?". I'm not saying I have a solution or anything, I'm just pointing out that with our current system, shit like this is bound to happen. What's worse is cops follow orders without any judgement and become part of the machine which is slowly killing free speach in the western world. Yes, fuck the police.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. See teamliquid, I told you, now do you understand? This is what some people actually think. So, if you guys were surrounded by this guy, would you have your pistols readied?
Seriously, just stop posting until you watch the 2nd video cause you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know what to say to this. Are you really saying it wasn't an accident? What is your qualm with me? I mean, we have to get the facts straight. Did that look intentional to you? Should we hate that guy because he's ruining free speach in the western world? I watched the second video, and it looked like he was pulling out the gun to get him to cooperate. It looked like while the police officer was propping himself up to stand straight, a shot came out. It looked to me like an accident. I guess that's just a clueless suggestion.
That was disgusting. I have alot of police officers and such in my family and I can tell you 100% they are not trained to hold a weapon on somebody who is handcuffed and has a knee in the back of there neck from a fellow officer. They don't do this because it puts the other officer at risk.
This ruined my night.
This isn't nearly as uncommon as any of you think.
On January 07 2009 21:39 AttackZerg wrote: That was disgusting. I have alot of police officers and such in my family and I can tell you 100% they are not trained to hold a weapon on somebody who is handcuffed and has a knee in the back of there neck from a fellow officer. They don't do this because it puts the other officer at risk.
This ruined my night.
This isn't nearly as uncommon as any of you think.
On January 07 2009 21:09 frankbg wrote: .... You haven't watched the video. Don't even fucking quote me. Waste of air.
I love it when people get angry. I love this sentence so much, it means so much to me. I guess I'll stop breathing now, thanks for your advice, it's a good thing that your opinion encompasses more than your immediate and primal emotions and you make sure this is the choice best for everyone, and not just the guy that is probably always the one getting held up by the cops
On January 07 2009 21:09 frankbg wrote: .... You haven't watched the video. Don't even fucking quote me. Waste of air.
Take it easy, Frank. LOL
I hate stupidity. Stupid people drive me mad, because there is no reasonning with them. They think they "know" and can't be debated with.
That guy talks about how it was justified that the officer had a gun covering that guy when it is clear on the video he is cooperating.
Seriously, EVEN IF HE WASN'T cooperating, what if the officer gets the situation wrong? What if you are defending yourself against unlawful arrest? Should you just be shot in the back?
Should anyone not willing to be arrested shot?
This guy makes no sense, kinda ironic considering his nickname is Element)LoGiC
On January 07 2009 21:24 IzzyCraft wrote: What gunpowder did for war, the printing press has done for the mind
On January 07 2009 20:56 IzzyCraft wrote: It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls
On January 07 2009 21:12 IzzyCraft wrote: When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.
There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
In such conditions it's fucking obvious that a gun should be on a safety, and if it is, how can it "accidentally discharge". It's so hard for me to accept such things... meaningless death, poor guy. God bless his soul.
On January 07 2009 21:09 frankbg wrote: .... You haven't watched the video. Don't even fucking quote me. Waste of air.
Take it easy, Frank. LOL
I hate stupidity. Stupid people drive me mad, because there is no reasonning with them. They think they "know" and can't be debated with.
Alright Franky poo, let's say I wasn't stupid and that you could reason with me, what would your undeniable points be? I mean, it seems a little weird that someone smarter than me(the idiot) would make a post about me(the idiot) that encompasses the very manner in which they themselves posted, moreso in a manner that aforementioned idiot(me) would be able to easily detect, but I guess I'm too stupid to look at situations as objectively as you. So why don't you just tell me what my opinion should be?
On January 07 2009 21:09 frankbg wrote: .... You haven't watched the video. Don't even fucking quote me. Waste of air.
Take it easy, Frank. LOL
I hate stupidity. Stupid people drive me mad, because there is no reasonning with them. They think they "know" and can't be debated with.
Alright Franky poo, let's say I wasn't stupid and that you could reason with me, what would your undeniable points be? I mean, it seems a little weird that someone smarter than me(the idiot) would make a post about me(the idiot) that encompasses the very manner in which they themselves posted, moreso in a manner that aforementioned idiot(me) would be able to easily detect, but I guess I'm too stupid to look at situations as objectively as you. So why don't you just tell me what my opinion should be?
Here is where I think you're being stupid as hell:
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Let's go through the checklist:
Huge and fairly close group of people? No, 4-5 guys on the ground and 2-3 sitting back, with a ton of onlookers far back.
You would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? No, there were more than enough cops that if this situation happened, whoever took the gun would've been shot (and rightfully so if that happened). Anyways, that was not the situation and nothing indicates that this case could build up into this kind of situation.
If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? You'd be a terrible cop, people yell obscenities to cops all the time, should they all be shot in the back?
Have you people forgotten what people are like? So cops should always walk around with their guns out, safety off, pointing at people, simply because of what "people are like"?
I'm not telling you what your opinion should be, I'm telling you your situation has nothing to do with the case at hand where the suspect is on the ground, cooperating fairly well, not yelling anything at the officer. This was a cold blooded murder and the officier should be treated like the criminal he is. EVEN if it was indeed an accident (rofl), that doesn't mean he isn't responsible. Yes, I'm sure he didn't want to kill the guy, but in the end, he did, and deserves punishement for taking the life of a 22 year old father.
On January 07 2009 21:39 AttackZerg wrote: That was disgusting. I have alot of police officers and such in my family and I can tell you 100% they are not trained to hold a weapon on somebody who is handcuffed and has a knee in the back of there neck from a fellow officer. They don't do this because it puts the other officer at risk.
This ruined my night.
This isn't nearly as uncommon as any of you think.
He wasn't handcuffed.
omg that changes everything!!! except im being sarcastic and it really doesn't change shit.
On January 07 2009 20:07 IzzyCraft wrote: Wow seriously some of the comments people make in this thread about police bashing is just off the cuff. Frankly at least in most parts of California police officers are to be trusted atlest now... and are unless your a gangbanger or some random shit like that most people have confidence in the police it's a necessary part of governing body that people are put into line when they are out of line.
Can we please keep the cops die fuck cops i hope that guy gets shot bull shit out of this forum. Really all you are doing is breeding hate maybe i should hope you accidently knock over a large object a kill a little boy so then that boys family can wish someone accidently causes your death. For serious just stop that bull shit troll ball busting crap and stop posting when you're high and paranoid.
I can't understand what you're saying.
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Are you f******* kidding me? People telling you to die? Have you watched the video? He was shot by a cold blooded assassin. The guy was cooperating, he had my age, had a kid, was drunk and got into a fight, is that enough to deserve to be shot in the back while you wait to be handcuffed?
Yes, fuck the police. When you give people the authority to arrest, beat and shoot other people, you're bound to see excess. Now the smart asses in here who will try to use this quote and say "Oh, so we don't have police anymore? What would we do then?". I'm not saying I have a solution or anything, I'm just pointing out that with our current system, shit like this is bound to happen. What's worse is cops follow orders without any judgement and become part of the machine which is slowly killing free speach in the western world. Yes, fuck the police.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. See teamliquid, I told you, now do you understand? This is what some people actually think. So, if you guys were surrounded by this guy, would you have your pistols readied?
Seriously, just stop posting until you watch the 2nd video cause you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know what to say to this. Are you really saying it wasn't an accident? What is your qualm with me? I mean, we have to get the facts straight. Did that look intentional to you? Should we hate that guy because he's ruining free speach in the western world? I watched the second video, and it looked like he was pulling out the gun to get him to cooperate. It looked like while the police officer was propping himself up to stand straight, a shot came out. It looked to me like an accident. I guess that's just a clueless suggestion.
....it doesn't matter that it was an "accident". Here let me give u some other examples of when "it was an accident" doesn't matter either: 1) I just bought a brand new .45 and I'm showing it off to my ex girlfriend, showing her the barrel up close so she could check out the cool grooves of the gun, when suddenly the gun discharges and i "accidentally" shoot her in the face. Now what? The court is gonna let me go easy because i claim it was an accident? The RESULT is the same, she's dead and its my fault. And as far as the law is concerned im fucked.
2) I just bought a brand new 2009 VW GTI (sexy as fuck) and i'm cruising along with the windows down looking like a pimp. Then i look down really quick because i dropped a cd i was just about to load when BAM i strike a kid coming out from school. Fuck guess what? It was an accident but it doesn't matter shit because the kid's dead and i didn't follow "procedure" which would have been to reduce my speed in a school zone and prevent that shit from happening. So as far as the law is concerned, im fucked more ways than one.
So in reality it's still the police department's fault for not training the officer on what proper procedure was in that kind of situation, or it was the officer's fault for not following proper procedure that he was taught. Accident or not. Handcuffed or not. It was fucking murder, just like it would have been if it was any of us doing the act. Period. Let it go.
On January 07 2009 21:39 AttackZerg wrote: That was disgusting. I have alot of police officers and such in my family and I can tell you 100% they are not trained to hold a weapon on somebody who is handcuffed and has a knee in the back of there neck from a fellow officer. They don't do this because it puts the other officer at risk.
This ruined my night.
This isn't nearly as uncommon as any of you think.
He wasn't handcuffed.
omg that changes everything!!! except im being sarcastic and it really doesn't change shit.
On January 07 2009 20:07 IzzyCraft wrote: Wow seriously some of the comments people make in this thread about police bashing is just off the cuff. Frankly at least in most parts of California police officers are to be trusted atlest now... and are unless your a gangbanger or some random shit like that most people have confidence in the police it's a necessary part of governing body that people are put into line when they are out of line.
Can we please keep the cops die fuck cops i hope that guy gets shot bull shit out of this forum. Really all you are doing is breeding hate maybe i should hope you accidently knock over a large object a kill a little boy so then that boys family can wish someone accidently causes your death. For serious just stop that bull shit troll ball busting crap and stop posting when you're high and paranoid.
I can't understand what you're saying.
Oh, about the guns drawn thing. If you had a gun, and there was a huge and fairly close group of people around you, you're saying you would risk a few of them running at you without a gun in your hands, and then taking it from you and shooting you? Really? If there was a group of people yelling obscenities and telling me to die, I'd probably have my gun out too? Have you people forgotten what people are like?
Are you f******* kidding me? People telling you to die? Have you watched the video? He was shot by a cold blooded assassin. The guy was cooperating, he had my age, had a kid, was drunk and got into a fight, is that enough to deserve to be shot in the back while you wait to be handcuffed?
Yes, fuck the police. When you give people the authority to arrest, beat and shoot other people, you're bound to see excess. Now the smart asses in here who will try to use this quote and say "Oh, so we don't have police anymore? What would we do then?". I'm not saying I have a solution or anything, I'm just pointing out that with our current system, shit like this is bound to happen. What's worse is cops follow orders without any judgement and become part of the machine which is slowly killing free speach in the western world. Yes, fuck the police.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. See teamliquid, I told you, now do you understand? This is what some people actually think. So, if you guys were surrounded by this guy, would you have your pistols readied?
Seriously, just stop posting until you watch the 2nd video cause you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know what to say to this. Are you really saying it wasn't an accident? What is your qualm with me? I mean, we have to get the facts straight. Did that look intentional to you? Should we hate that guy because he's ruining free speach in the western world? I watched the second video, and it looked like he was pulling out the gun to get him to cooperate. It looked like while the police officer was propping himself up to stand straight, a shot came out. It looked to me like an accident. I guess that's just a clueless suggestion.
....it doesn't matter that it was an "accident". Here let me give u some other examples of when "it was an accident" doesn't matter either: 1) I just bought a brand new .45 and I'm showing it off to my ex girlfriend, showing her the barrel up close so she could check out the cool grooves of the gun, when suddenly the gun discharges and i "accidentally" shoot her in the face. Now what? The court is gonna let me go easy because i claim it was an accident? The RESULT is the same, she's dead and its my fault. And as far as the law is concerned im fucked.
2) I just bought a brand new 2009 VW GTI (sexy as fuck) and i'm crusing along with the windows down looking like a pimp. The i look down really quick because i dropped a cd i was just about to load when BAM i strike a kid coming out from school. Fuck guess what? It was an accident but it doesn't matter shit because the kid's dead and i didn't follow "procedure" which would have been to reduce my speed in a school zone and prevent that shit from happening. So as far as the law is concerned, im fucked more ways than one.
So in reality it's still the police department's fault for not training the officer on what proper procedure was in that kind of situation, or it was the officer's fault for not following proper procedure that he was taught. Accident or not. Handcuffed or not. It was fucking murder, just like it would have been if it was any of us doing the act. Period. Let it go.
Who cares if it's accident? Umm the courts because manlaughter and murder are 2 differnt birds and one gives you much long time in jail then another.
How do you know he doesn't have proper training you just assume everything why don't they reduce the entire police academy for years and years why don't they underpay policemen even more For calming down a fight pulling a gun is proper procedure to show force is considered necessary it's why procedure for a hostage situation is to pull extra policemen from different areas to show force. The thing about controlling a populous to actually obey the law is that you have to make them either respect or fear you and the thing is usually the ones to break the law don't respect you.
On January 07 2009 21:12 IzzyCraft wrote: When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.
There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
You can stop quoting Civilization IV now.
Why it's a good game also I'm quoting the people more then I'm quoting the game =p Wonder how mad are you to actually peace it together via because i doubt you play.
Frankly you and I agree he should and will be punished but you act like he wont be punished at all this is more or less top of the list of the worse things that can happen to you as a police officer his life is more or less perma changed and after he gets out a jail along with w.e amount of things will happen is that he wont be able to retain a police officer status anymore hell have to find another profession etc.
Seriously the severity of this shit that some of you post act like every life is precious and i'll become outrage at everything that happens.
Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world
And frankly becoming this outraged and irrational to punishment is more destructive then productive in a society like cali's. I can snap my fingers ever 3 secs and a child just died of TB i can tap my feet every 3 mins and a person was just abused by their life partner just because something has happened doesn't warrant outcry. Maybe i should call everyone that smokes weed in America a criminal a poison upon society who blandly disobey the law for the seek of pleasure encouraging shady characters to continue to thrive in our beloved country, and it's not a big jump things will be handled and all this extra controversy over something like this is nothing but emotional bull shit why don't we change the things that can serve the greater good instead of changing nothing and just bitching about it.
EPT
