EPTWhat about the police officer in that pic risking his life to restore order? That guy is probably an ordinary guy with wife and kids, have you thought about that? What the hell has throwing Molotovs at innocent cops to do with justice, especially in a case where you can point out who the culprit is.
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Frits
11782 Posts
What about the police officer in that pic risking his life to restore order? That guy is probably an ordinary guy with wife and kids, have you thought about that? What the hell has throwing Molotovs at innocent cops to do with justice, especially in a case where you can point out who the culprit is. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
I've had guns go off before I expected them to. In all cases, it was a new gun and pointed downrange and as far from being pointed at another person as it could possibly be, and the trigger pull simply wasn't as far as I thought, with the result that I wasn't as accurate as I could have been. Shit happens. Obviously, I'm a lot more surprised it happened with a gun the cop should have been familiar with and during a time when an infinitely greater care was required (when the gun was pointed at someone). He's going to be in deep shit for fucking up like that, but I can't call it murder. And that pic posted by our Croatian member is a great example of force escalation. Way to prevent police brutality genius! | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
What you could see in the video was a mess. The police got some guys lined up, one of them sitting. The police repeatedly telling them to sit down. Then shouting and chaos starts. People from outside shouting at the police for using more excessive force to get the situation under control. Two or so guys walk up to the police (one of them was the guy getting shot). It looked like they were just talking with the cops, but you can't really tell since it's so loud. The officer got his gun out already by this time, as he was trying to cover the other officers in his back who were cuffing up the people they pulled from the train. There are only 3 or 4 people standing before the girl at a time, but you can tell from the shouts from the back and the overall noise, that the officer was facing a crowd of people shouting at them (nigger this nigger that, motherfucker blabla gangstertalk). A couple seconds before the gun wents off you can see a police officer stepping back into line with the others, putting back his stick on the belt (because he didn't think he'd need it obviously). Then the camera turns to where the officer came from and you see the guy lying on his back, with both hands under him (so I think we can assume he's handcuffed). He's not lying flat down though, for whatever reason and I couldn't tell. The camera goes back to the right a little and then you hear the gunshot. You can't really see him getting shot because there is another police officer between the camera and the guy and you can't tell which officer it was really, but most likely the guy who had the gun out the entire time (and from what I got, the only officer who got his gun out at all). The crowd goes crazy shouting wise over the act and you can hear the girl that was holding the camera repeatedly shouting "I got you motherfuckers". She then gets back into the train. After that the interview starts - you can't really tell if she's with the lawyer or a guy from the tv station. The interview then unfolds some other stuff that you couldn't see in the video like that the guy was shocked after his gun went off and that he was rather young looking etc. ... but the interview in his whole was really biased against the police officers. Imho the police officer was nervus, under stress and had the gun out the entire time. I believe that he (under above told circumstances) accidentially pulled the trigger. I know from my time in the military that when you have a gun or rifle out, your trigger finger should always point in the direction of the gun and never be around the trigger the whole time until really necessary. Because after time goes by you loose the feeling for the trigger, making it more and more likely to accidentally pulling it. From what I could see the police officer did not do that. Seems to me like he will have to face a charge of invoulantary manslaugter - wether it was a threatening situation or not (you can only assume from the video - or at least I feel not qualified enough to answer that question) plays only a minor role. In the end he shot a handcuffed guy that was lying on the ground on his back. I believe he didn't mean to, but he did shoot him. | ||
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LonGGone
121 Posts
On January 05 2009 13:05 naonao wrote: The man was on the ground with his hands behind his back, there is obviously a reason for that and he had done something warranting at least an arrest, so he must have been dangerous at one point in time meriting the officer to have his gun out. The details as to what happened before the shot was fired are omitted, leading me to believe that the "victim" might not be all that the OP describes him as. Details as to what happened before the shot isnt necessary. The man was lying on his stomach waiting to be cuffed, he looked no threat to me at all. Regardless of what happened before the shot the fact that the man was still killed is still there. However it did look like an accident i dont see the reason why the police had to have had his gun out on someone lying on the floor waiting to be cuffed. Not to mention he had like 4 other police buddies around him. Looks to me like they need some retraining | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
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PhorClayton
United States198 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
Now he'll face the consequences of his irresponsability. Im not saying its a small crime. He killed a person, but from what i've read here and from the video, i think it did was an accident. | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
One question, why did this guy (along with his friend I assume) just walked up to the police? The police was only dealing with people along the wall or thereabout, but they just randomly feel like talking to cops? and I agree that he was on the floor and waiting to be cuffed for a reason, probably not bad enough to shoot him though, still probably an accident. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
accidental shootings DO happen | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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GongKyuckTerran
Croatia1096 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
On January 05 2009 14:59 Kwidowmaker wrote: What are you talking about. It's incredibly unlikely for a police officer to shoot you while they arrest you. Unless you pose a danger to the officer, you aren't likely to see their gun out. Further more, if they pull out their gun it is for their safety and the safety of those around them. Incompetent cops my ass. Most police officers role model citizens. They're not the smartest, fittest, or most enviable people around but they believe what they enforce, and they do their damn best to uphold the law. I'm talking about incompetence specifically with respect to gun handling. It's a really big deal in police training, but it is still sometimes a problem. I'm sure that they're trying their hardest, and have the right moral grounding, etc. etc., but the truth of the matter is that some still appear woefully undertrained in the proper handling of firearms under stress, as can be seen in the news. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
some good people ride BART some decent people ride BART some indecent people ride BART some shady people ride BART and some cops are good cops that are put into unfortunate situations some cops are bad cops be that as it may =/ | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32161 Posts
On January 05 2009 14:59 Kwidowmaker wrote: What are you talking about. It's incredibly unlikely for a police officer to shoot you while they arrest you. Unless you pose a danger to the officer, you aren't likely to see their gun out. Further more, if they pull out their gun it is for their safety and the safety of those around them. Incompetent cops my ass. Most police officers role model citizens. They're not the smartest, fittest, or most enviable people around but they believe what they enforce, and they do their damn best to uphold the law. This seems like it could have been an accident. A real shame, and changes should be made so that this is even less likely to happen again, but this lawsuit is just people looking for money. Worst of all, it stirs up attitudes like the one above. Agreed. Cept I'd rather keep it the same way than change the rules so that officers are put more in danger. It's a simple concept—don't be a dipshit and you won't have a gun to your back when being arrested. This would have never happened if the kid didnt get on the ground right away and there wasn't an angry mob around him. Now, because of those assholes, some poor dude's probably going to lose his job so that the BART saves face. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
also, Croatia has one of Europes biggest criminal underground and many officials are corrupt. | ||
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/01/06/18559091.php | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
On January 07 2009 18:07 hideo wrote: new video http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/01/06/18559091.php I think it was an accident but this video is making me doubt. I remember an episode of cops in which they tasered an innocent bystander 'cause he approached asking why they were arresting his brother, he was calm and not aggressive. It confused me because that episode (to me) clearly showed police brutality. | ||
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