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Deleted User 3420
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On January 05 2009 13:01 Frits wrote: I think it was an accident as well, did you really think the guy shot the person on purpose in front of several other police officers in broad daylight? Do you think that never happens? | ||
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naonao
United States847 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
Yeah in a situation where an officer is threatened by a knife or something like that sure, but this is different. I definately think it's more likely to be an accident than a police officer shooting a cuffed person for the hell of it in this case. edit: Oh apparently he wasn't cuffed yet, couldn't see it in the video. Why the hell would someone argue in this thread that he was cuffed while he wasn't. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On January 05 2009 12:59 travis wrote: I disagree. Let me tell you why. 1.) the original post clearly states whether he was handcuffed or restrained. 2.) I am pretty sure it isn't standard procedure to cover someone lying on the ground waiting to be handcuffed with your gun, with the safety off. Maybe in particularily dangerous situations, but otherwise that is just ridiculous overkill that I never want to see. 3.) We know plenty about what happened. There is a video, no? (I didn't watch it because I don't want to see a guy get shot, but shouldn't a video show us what happened..?) 1. OK, he wasn't handcuffed. 2. I think in this situation, it may have been standard procedure. Like I said, I am not sure and you said you aren't either. I think if we were to try to distinguish whether or no the officer was justified having his gun out, we need someone to find out what procedure is. I'm Canadian, so maybe it's a bit different here, but I was always under the impression that if an officer feels your dangerous enough to want you on your belly, instead of just handcuffing you while you stand, he is justified in taking out his gun to cover you. 3. The video is mostly a woman talking to an interviewer, recalling what she thought happened, why it happened etc. I skipped ahead quite a bit, but the woman isn't a reliable source for facts (only opinion; except for clear-cut things, like whether he was on his stomach. This woman says he wasn't a threat. Well, who the hell is she to judge?) Also, the video itself is just a camcorder or camera phone it looks like. It's not very clear what's happening. On January 05 2009 13:02 CDRdude wrote: Actually we know a fair amount. I watched the video, and I can tell you right now that he was handcuffed. No question about that. Before saying that you know nothing, watch the video. Oh yeah? He was handcuffed? How about this: On January 05 2009 12:02 Aca wrote: He reiterated that Grant, who witnesses said was lying on the ground waiting to be handcuffed, posed no threat when he was fatally shot around 2:15 a.m. Thursday. BART spokesman Jim Allison said the officer's gun went off while police were trying to restrain Grant at BART's Fruitvale station in Oakland, and that Grant was not cuffed. Try again. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
There are a lot of videos floating around showing accidental discharges during an arrest. | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
On January 05 2009 14:30 hideo wrote: It's pretty incredible how incompetent cops can be when it comes to gun discipline/safety. There are a lot of videos floating around showing accidental discharges during an arrest. What are you talking about. It's incredibly unlikely for a police officer to shoot you while they arrest you. Unless you pose a danger to the officer, you aren't likely to see their gun out. Further more, if they pull out their gun it is for their safety and the safety of those around them. Incompetent cops my ass. Most police officers role model citizens. They're not the smartest, fittest, or most enviable people around but they believe what they enforce, and they do their damn best to uphold the law. This seems like it could have been an accident. A real shame, and changes should be made so that this is even less likely to happen again, but this lawsuit is just people looking for money. Worst of all, it stirs up attitudes like the one above. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On January 05 2009 14:59 Kwidowmaker wrote: What are you talking about. It's incredibly unlikely for a police officer to shoot you while they arrest you. Unless you pose a danger to the officer, you aren't likely to see their gun out. Further more, if they pull out their gun it is for their safety and the safety of those around them. Incompetent cops my ass. Most police officers role model citizens. They're not the smartest, fittest, or most enviable people around but they believe what they enforce, and they do their damn best to uphold the law. This seems like it could have been an accident. A real shame, and changes should be made so that this is even less likely to happen again, but this lawsuit is just people looking for money. Worst of all, it stirs up attitudes like the one above. Agreed with this. 99.99% of arrests will be made without incident, I'm sure thousands, maybe even tens or hundreds of thousands every day. Then one incident happens, which we DON'T even have the full details on, and you run into incredibly ignorant comments like hideo's. I don't care what profession you're looking at, you're always going to have bad apples ruining the rest. I personally believe the vast, vast majority of cops are competent and do great service to the areas they oversee. I give them even MORE credit seeing as they provide an invaluable service but still have to put up with a lot of shitheads and their negative outlook on what they do, and knowing that they need to have clear judgement and make accurate split second decisions daily otherwise they'll lose their entire career, or worse, with one single mistake. Edit - I made the title more appropriate. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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fanatacist
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On January 05 2009 15:48 fanatacist wrote: God damn that is some poor annoying camera work. Yeah, the professional camerawoman responsible for it should lose her job for not paying attention to the recording details during such a calm and peaceful situation [/sarcasm] | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On January 05 2009 15:50 darktreb wrote: Yeah, the professional camerawoman responsible for it should lose her job for not paying attention to the recording details during such a calm and peaceful situation [/sarcasm] Clearly my post was indicating that I expect professionalism in this situation and wasn't just a general complaint about the erratic nature of the video. You are very perceptive and must be of high intelligence. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
However, I have a deep hatred for the girl right now. In the video, she sounded like she was fulfilled because the cop was on camera ("I GOT IN YOU ON CAMERA" or something along those lines). For those of you who actually watched the interview (I only watched part of it because she is a total fag), she starts laughing and brushing her hair as if this was just an opportunity for her to grab attention and not a criminal case. Sorry if that was off tangent, but that chick just pissed me off. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On January 05 2009 16:09 redtooth wrote: Man. Sad event. I honestly feel bad for both individuals involved (killed and cop). However, I have a deep hatred for the girl right now. In the video, she sounded like she was fulfilled because the cop was on camera ("I GOT IN YOU ON CAMERA" or something along those lines). For those of you who actually watched the interview (I only watched part of it because she is a total fag), she starts laughing and brushing her hair as if this was just an opportunity for her to grab attention and not a criminal case. Sorry if that was off tangent, but that chick just pissed me off. You're not the only one who thought that. 100% attention whore. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 05 2009 12:52 Salv wrote: Actually, it does matter. It's the difference between murder or potential manslaughter. A cop is never going to get charged for murder in a scenario like that unless he straight up confesses to it. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On January 05 2009 23:11 Divinek wrote: A cop is never going to get charged for murder in a scenario like that unless he straight up confesses to it. Well, we know one thing. And that is guns (glocks) don't go off by themselves. So I don't see how it can be anything but either manslaughter or murder. | ||
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gg_hertzz
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GongKyuckTerran
Croatia1096 Posts
it's not the first and not the last time,that cunts kills inocent people with purpose or by accident if this was greece half of the city would burn now,they just dont forgive this kind of things ![[image loading]](http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/athemelis/grecia39.jpg) burn all filthy cops. and here in croatia cop killed older guy just becouse he parked in his way and didnt responded imidiately on his warning killed by jumping on his stomach in front of his daughter  how brutal can u be for that ... | ||
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