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Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck.
so, Maru has won 2 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL right?
Tajea has won 11 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL. Where is the argument that Marus record is better? :\
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On March 18 2016 19:02 dankobanana wrote:Show nested quote +
Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck.
so, Maru has won 2 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL right? Tajea has won 11 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL. Where is the argument that Marus record is better? :\
This is HotS ranking, Taeja didn't reach RO4 in HotS.
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Canada2764 Posts
On March 18 2016 18:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 18:25 deacon.frost wrote:On March 18 2016 17:30 dankobanana wrote:
guys, PL is not counter for a reason. In PL you get to play to your strenghts and avoid weakness. In 2015, Maru had a record of 27-16 and was placed 2nd. That info alone does not tell us anything about his strenght. Why? Because he was mostly used as a TvP sniper. His TvZ was at 40% :\ Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck. Also, I am not sure what you think about the TvP sniper. I always though that both teams select their players for a map and then KeSPA gives them result of their selection. So you can expect a Protoss player on the map, but they can expect Maru on that map, so you cannot use him as a PvT sniper, or am I incorrect? They could, but they'd risk making the wrong choice and getting a racial disadvantage (e.g.: the best counter to Maru was his meh TvZ, so you choose a Zerg, but then you run into PvZ sniper Trap). Although a bunch of his games are in all-kill format where of course, these rules don't apply.
If Maru had meh TvZ early-mid 2015, literally every terran had meh TvZ.
Yes, this applies to Dream. No, his sets against Life don't automatically make him a TvZ god, just like Maru's sets against Life don't automatically make him a TvZ near-god.
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Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc
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On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc
How the hell do you ridicule him for his list and the criteria he used and then leave Life out of the top 5 of your ranking. That is ridiculous. Leaving Life out of the top 3 is stupid enough but the top 5? LOL
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On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc
if you can't handle subjective player ranking articles then you shouldn't be reading sports journalism anyway. for most people this is just a fun way to spark debate, if you're losing your mind and insulting people over it you should just avoid posting
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On March 18 2016 19:02 dankobanana wrote:Show nested quote +
Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck.
so, Maru has won 2 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL right? Tajea has won 11 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL. Where is the argument that Marus record is better? :\
Maru won two korean starleagues and finished a total of 8 times at least in the ro8. That alone is imo way more impressive than Taeja's 8 (in hots) 'premier' (lol at three hsc) title wins.
It's actually a lot more impressive. Then add the proleague record for Maru and the high finishes in weekend tournaments and he is imo clearly above Taeja in Hots. I actually think Maru might be a contender for first place when i look at his results tbh.
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On March 18 2016 19:09 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 18:35 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 18:25 deacon.frost wrote:On March 18 2016 17:30 dankobanana wrote:
guys, PL is not counter for a reason. In PL you get to play to your strenghts and avoid weakness. In 2015, Maru had a record of 27-16 and was placed 2nd. That info alone does not tell us anything about his strenght. Why? Because he was mostly used as a TvP sniper. His TvZ was at 40% :\ Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck. Also, I am not sure what you think about the TvP sniper. I always though that both teams select their players for a map and then KeSPA gives them result of their selection. So you can expect a Protoss player on the map, but they can expect Maru on that map, so you cannot use him as a PvT sniper, or am I incorrect? They could, but they'd risk making the wrong choice and getting a racial disadvantage (e.g.: the best counter to Maru was his meh TvZ, so you choose a Zerg, but then you run into PvZ sniper Trap). Although a bunch of his games are in all-kill format where of course, these rules don't apply. If Maru had meh TvZ early-mid 2015, literally every terran had meh TvZ. Yes, this applies to Dream. No, his sets against Life don't automatically make him a TvZ god, just like Maru's sets against Life don't automatically make him a TvZ near-god.
This is a meh TvZ record. This is a bad TvZ Proleague record.
It was his worst matchup in 2015. His biggest weakness in Proleague. And he didn't look inspiring playing it either, so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Literally the only thing Maru was more meh at than handling TvZ was handling good mech Terrans.
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On March 18 2016 19:22 Lil_nooblet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc How the hell do you ridicule him for his list and the criteria he used and then leave Life out of the top 5 of your ranking. That is ridiculous. Leaving Life out of the top 3 is stupid enough but the top 5? LOL
On March 18 2016 19:24 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc if you can't handle subjective player ranking articles then you shouldn't be reading sports journalism anyway. for most people this is just a fun way to spark debate, if you're losing your mind and insulting people over it you should just avoid posting
First of all I have a right to insult anyone I want, if its not up to TL standards, discipline me or whatever.
As far as Life goes hes been non-existant in 2013, he made ro4 in 14 S1 mostly due his zvz. Then he bum out in ro16 and didn't even make Code S in S3. He was doing great near the end of 14 (won GF and GSL) was probably #1 player during that time of 3-4 months and disappeared again. Thats more than half of HotS lifetime hes been doing horrible.
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On March 18 2016 19:05 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:02 dankobanana wrote:
Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck.
so, Maru has won 2 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL right? Tajea has won 11 Premier Tournaments and was twice top 4 in GSL. Where is the argument that Marus record is better? :\ This is HotS ranking, Taeja didn't reach RO4 in HotS.
I love how that person is comparing 2015 Maru to all time Taeja 
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On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc
So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What?
He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read.
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On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read.
I actually have, right after blizzcon
+ Show Spoiler +
I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers.
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Relax guys! I am not fighting against Life being no. 1, but Stuchiu did not consider his very weak ZvC match up. He was good when he was playing against People, but I heard, he was not that good against a Computer opponent. He probably even did not finish the HotS campaign, so how can he be the no.1 of HotS?
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Czech Republic12125 Posts
On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read. I actually have, right after blizzcon + Show Spoiler +I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers.
I wouldn't like this either, but this is much closer to what I was expecting 
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On March 18 2016 19:48 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read. I actually have, right after blizzcon + Show Spoiler +I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers. I wouldn't like this either, but this is much closer to what I was expecting
I think it should factor in other big weekenders - MLG, DH Winter, KeSPA Cup and Hot6ix Cup at least. Possibly regular IEMs with particularly strong lineups. To add a bit more definition to the list.
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On March 18 2016 19:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:48 deacon.frost wrote:On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read. I actually have, right after blizzcon + Show Spoiler +I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers. I wouldn't like this either, but this is much closer to what I was expecting I think it should factor in other big weekenders - MLG, DH Winter, KeSPA Cup and Hot6ix Cup at least. Possibly regular IEMs with particularly strong lineups. To add a bit more definition to the list.
Hows proleague for definition?
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I only don't agree with Taeja position. Especially him being higher than Innovation. Otherwise, awesome job!
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On March 18 2016 19:52 REyeM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:51 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:48 deacon.frost wrote:On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read. I actually have, right after blizzcon + Show Spoiler +I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers. I wouldn't like this either, but this is much closer to what I was expecting I think it should factor in other big weekenders - MLG, DH Winter, KeSPA Cup and Hot6ix Cup at least. Possibly regular IEMs with particularly strong lineups. To add a bit more definition to the list. Hows proleague for definition?
That aswell. Forgot to mention that xD
Although for Proleague it's a bit harder than for individuals. I guess points for being top 1/top 5/top 10 player rankings?
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On March 18 2016 19:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:52 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:51 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:48 deacon.frost wrote:On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read. I actually have, right after blizzcon + Show Spoiler +I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers. I wouldn't like this either, but this is much closer to what I was expecting I think it should factor in other big weekenders - MLG, DH Winter, KeSPA Cup and Hot6ix Cup at least. Possibly regular IEMs with particularly strong lineups. To add a bit more definition to the list. Hows proleague for definition? That aswell. Forgot to mention that xD
Don't forget Homestory cup! The only tournament, where the players have to show their strength in the most difficult conditions, face to face to the demon of alcohol!
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On March 18 2016 19:58 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 19:54 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:52 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:51 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:48 deacon.frost wrote:On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?
Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What? He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read. I actually have, right after blizzcon + Show Spoiler +I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers. I wouldn't like this either, but this is much closer to what I was expecting I think it should factor in other big weekenders - MLG, DH Winter, KeSPA Cup and Hot6ix Cup at least. Possibly regular IEMs with particularly strong lineups. To add a bit more definition to the list. Hows proleague for definition? That aswell. Forgot to mention that xD Don't forget Homestory cup! The only tournament, where the players have to show their strength in the most difficult conditions, face to face to the demon of alcohol!
The most stacked HSC was the one PartinG won against Flash but even that one might not be good enough. Of course, if we only take tournament wins/top 4s of really high end events, PartinG will never reach a top 15 list in HotS which is unfortunate considering this.
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