On March 18 2016 16:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: I am actually not sure if Life should be number one after thinking about it a little bit. In general his korean starleague results aren't THAT impressive either tbh. (still better than sOs though ) Really hard to make such a list hehe, i guess i have to come up with some kind of point based system, i think that is the fairest solution overall (i don't like to look at the paths each player had to go through tournaments and value his opponents 'manually' because there are simply too many variables to get that right imo) If we simply assume that easier/harder opponents in the same region balance each other out somewhat during multiple tournaments, the result itself (ro16/ro8/whatever) is good enough and probably more accurate too?!
Obviously the point system is subjective though, mine will be biased towards korean starleagues/tournaments i feel like, haha.
On March 18 2016 16:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: I am actually not sure if Life should be number one after thinking about it a little bit. In general his korean starleague results aren't THAT impressive either tbh. (still better than sOs though ) Really hard to make such a list hehe, i guess i have to come up with some kind of point based system, i think that is the fairest solution overall (i don't like to look at the paths each player had to go through tournaments and value his opponents 'manually' because there are simply too many variables to get that right imo) If we simply assume that easier/harder opponents in the same region balance each other out somewhat during multiple tournaments, the result itself (ro16/ro8/whatever) is good enough and probably more accurate too?!
Obviously the point system is subjective though, mine will be biased towards korean starleagues/tournaments i feel like, haha.
Interesting ... somehow, you are giving credit to Stuchiu's ranking :-) But anyway, three world championship titles in HotS, nobody can convince me that sOs should not be on the 3rd place behind Life and Bogus.
guys, PL is not counter for a reason. In PL you get to play to your strenghts and avoid weakness. In 2015, Maru had a record of 27-16 and was placed 2nd. That info alone does not tell us anything about his strenght. Why? Because he was mostly used as a TvP sniper. His TvZ was at 40% :\
On March 18 2016 12:21 pure.Wasted wrote: For Taeja nothing is more important than whatever weekend tournaments he happens to be playing in at any given point in time. You CANNOT compare that to a KeSPA player who has fifty other priorities and isn't used to the stresses of flying around the world right before a big game or playing in front of a foreign audience.
Note if you will how well Polt and MC - globe trotters themselves - match up against him, while players like Maru and Zest get blown right out.
Extremely disappointing to see Korean starleagues held in such low regard.
who gives a rats ass about priorities? did those KeSPA players come to a tournament to win? YES. Did they? NO. Who usually did? Life & Taeja. Do Korean Leagues matter? YES. Why? Because the competition is tough. So we base the strenght of a title win by the toughness of the competiton? YES. Well thats what Stuchiu did. Every GSL run is not equal nor is every Premier tournament run also.
these are Taejas "Tier 1" runs: (hint: check out the notable competition. its mostly top Korean pros at the time)
GSL Season 4 2012 - Top 4 - Mvp, loss to Rain, DRG, Polt, Leenock, loss to Life GSL Season 1 2013 - Top 4 - loss to INnoVation, Bomber, DRG, Soulkey, loss to RorO WCS NA Season 2 2013 - Top 4 - Polt, aLive, loss to Polt WCS Season 2 Finals 2013 - Top 4 - INnoVation, duckdeok, Rain, loss to Bomber DH Bucharest 2013 - 1st - YugiOh, sOs, Life, INnoVation DH Winter 2013 - 1st - INnoVation, sOs, ForGG, HerO, MMA, Life, Life again IEM WC 2014 - Top 4 - StarDust, Life, lost to sOs IEM Shenzhen 2014 - 1st - MMA, Life, Zest, Jaedong, Solar IEM Toronto 2014 - Top 4 - Zest, Bunny, viOLet, loss to Flash Blizzcon 2014 - Top 4 - soO, INnoVation, loss to Life DH Winter 2014 - 3rd - San, Bunny, loss to Leenock, loss to Life, San, Polt, Jjakji, loss to Life
btw Tajea is a 2 times GSL top 4 finisher. Both times he lost to the eventual champion :O
On March 18 2016 16:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: I am actually not sure if Life should be number one after thinking about it a little bit. In general his korean starleague results aren't THAT impressive either tbh. (still better than sOs though ) Really hard to make such a list hehe, i guess i have to come up with some kind of point based system, i think that is the fairest solution overall (i don't like to look at the paths each player had to go through tournaments and value his opponents 'manually' because there are simply too many variables to get that right imo) If we simply assume that easier/harder opponents in the same region balance each other out somewhat during multiple tournaments, the result itself (ro16/ro8/whatever) is good enough and probably more accurate too?!
Obviously the point system is subjective though, mine will be biased towards korean starleagues/tournaments i feel like, haha.
Might have to update this at some point, it ends somewhere around the GSL Season 1 2015...
Huh that is pretty cool and kinda like what i thought of
I think only doing ro4 or better is not optimal though tbh, a little bit more would be better (but also more work^^) Thx for posting that though! ps: including proleague somehow would be kinda important too imo
On March 18 2016 17:30 dankobanana wrote: guys, PL is not counter for a reason. In PL you get to play to your strenghts and avoid weakness. In 2015, Maru had a record of 27-16 and was placed 2nd. That info alone does not tell us anything about his strenght. Why? Because he was mostly used as a TvP sniper. His TvZ was at 40% :\
Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck.
Also, I am not sure what you think about the TvP sniper. I always though that both teams select their players for a map and then KeSPA gives them result of their selection. So you can expect a Protoss player on the map, but they can expect Maru on that map, so you cannot use him as a PvT sniper, or am I incorrect?
The pictures chosen for this article is amazing. Would have been better if Taeja is in 4th place or 3rd place, but I'm happy with this. Great job stuchiu
On March 18 2016 17:30 dankobanana wrote: guys, PL is not counter for a reason. In PL you get to play to your strenghts and avoid weakness. In 2015, Maru had a record of 27-16 and was placed 2nd. That info alone does not tell us anything about his strenght. Why? Because he was mostly used as a TvP sniper. His TvZ was at 40% :\
Uhh, not sure if you were in coma or just blind. Maru in 2015 won S2SL over Dream, finished in top4 in GSL S3, and was second in IEM Teipei. For example he advanced from group over Dark, sure his TvZ was a wreck.
Also, I am not sure what you think about the TvP sniper. I always though that both teams select their players for a map and then KeSPA gives them result of their selection. So you can expect a Protoss player on the map, but they can expect Maru on that map, so you cannot use him as a PvT sniper, or am I incorrect?
They could, but they'd risk making the wrong choice and getting a racial disadvantage (e.g.: the best counter to Maru was his meh TvZ, so you choose a Zerg, but then you run into PvZ sniper Trap).
Although a bunch of his games are in all-kill format where of course, these rules don't apply.
On March 18 2016 18:34 NinjaToss wrote: The pictures chosen for this article is amazing. Would have been better if Taeja is in 4th place or 3rd place, but I'm happy with this. Great job stuchiu
Innovation looks like human, that's breaking all the stereotypes about him being a robot.
Taeja looks like proper nerd, even though I don't like his position I approve the picture
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