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Greatest HotS Players of All Time: Part 3

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Greatest HotS Players of All Time: Part 3

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Graphics byNATHANIEL
March 18th, 2016 01:56 GMT

Foreword:

Having already done exhaustive rankings of the Greatest Players of All Time and the Greatest Foreigners of All Time, it seemed natural to me to that I’d wrap up HotS with a list of the Greatest HotS players. None of my criteria have changed from previous iterations, but here is a quick summary for those who hadn’t read the previous editions. You can read all of my criteria here.

Because there is a large overlap with this list and the previous Greatest Players of All Time, there will not be an exhaustive analysis on their stories, playstyles or an extensive explanation describing how I balanced the various factors. Just a brief summary of their place in the history of HotS and what they did to make the list.

If you wish to read the previous list of Greatest players of All Time, you can start here:
Greatest SC2 Player of All Time, Bonus Edition
Greatest Players of All Time, Part 1
Greatest Players of All Time, Part 2
Greatest Players of All Time, Part 3
Greatest Players of All Time, Finale



#5 | soO



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    Achievements
      Tier 1
    • GSL 2013 Season 3 - 2nd
    • GSL 2014 Season 1- 2nd
    • GSL Global Championship - Top 4
    • GSL 2014 Season 2- 2nd
    • GSL 2014 Season 3 - 2nd
    • KeSPA Cup S2 2015 - 1st

      Tier 2
    • DH Stockholm - 2nd

      Tier 4
    • IEM Gamescom - 2nd


There are moments in a pro gamer's life when you think to yourself, this is it, there is absolutely no way he is coming out of this hole. It happened once to me when I watched Mvp in the first season of GSL in 2012 and heard about his injuries. At the time I thought it was over and a new age would dawn. In 2014, after soO consecutively lost to Solar at DreamHack, INnoVation at Gamescom, and then TaeJa at BlizzCon, I thought to myself soO has broken. The five consecutive second places are too much, he isn’t coming back from this.

I was wrong on both accounts. In the first place, who could have predicted the genius and pure grit Mvp had going into 2012 anyway? In soO’s case it was because we had large amounts of historical data on a bunch of second placers who just eventually break after a period of time and even more second placers who just break after losing 1 finals. soO had lost 5. I was wrong and in one of the biggest redemption runs of the year, soO proved that he wasn’t done, that he hadn’t broken and that he could win. And for one night, soO won his first ever Korean LAN; for one night, Sisyphus rolled the boulder up the hill and it did not fall.

Difference between soO and Maru:

The same reasons that I gave for soO > Maru in the GOAT here. Nothing has changed except Maru has added another Top 4 to his list whereas soO added a KeSPA Cup win, which was stronger.

#4 | Zest



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    Achievements:
      Tier 1
    • GSL Season 1 2014 - 1st
    • GSL Global Championship 2014 - 1st
    • GSL Season 3 2014 - Top 4
    • IEM Toronto - 2nd
    • KeSPA Cup - 1st
    • Hot6ix CUp - Top 4
    • IEM WC 2015 - 1st


When Zest came into the scene, you could hear the wails of thousands of SKT fans screaming in pain (mixed in with the cries of fangirls clamoring to touch his biceps). He gave them more to scream about in the coming year as he systematically destroyed SKT nearly every time they met. Possibly worse, he did it in a completely skilled way that lacked any kind of gimmicks. Not only did he destroy SKT, but for one year against the other 5 dragons of Protoss, he destroyed them too and in the blood of his Protoss and SKT rivals he crowned himself the best. Zest dominated one of the hardest years of competition and though he never reached those heights again in 2015, it was an incredible feat and in terms of pure domination was only passed by Life’s peak from late 2014-early 2015.

Difference between Zest and soO:

While soO closed the gap with his KeSPA Cup victory, it wasn’t enough.

#3 | INnoVation



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    Achievements:
      Tier 1
    • MLG Winter Championship 2013: 3rd
    • GSL 2013 Season 1: 2nd
    • GSL Season 1 Finals 2013: 1st
    • OSL 2013: Top 4
    • DH Bucharest 2013: 2nd
    • DH Winter 2013: Top 4
    • GSL 2014 Season 3: 1st
    • GSL 2015 Season 3: 1st

      Tier 2
    • ASUS Northcon: Top 4
    • DH Bucharest 2014: Top 4

      Tier 3
    • MSI 2015: Top 4

      Tier 4
    • IEM Gamescom - 1st


If Rain was the chosen Protoss, the one we all expected to lead the race into the future, then INnoVation was the chosen Terran. And in many ways he was that Terran. His builds are the standard that nearly all other Terrans copy. His builds are the safest and the best. He understands the most streamlined ways to play, the ones that try to preempt and avoid pitfalls that would force a player to make a decision and instead allow them to focus on their mechanics and execution.

Yet perfection seems to have come at a price. When faced with imbalance, INnoVation falters because there is no longer a clear answer. When Zerg was dominating Terran post mine nerf and into the mass mutalisk phase of 2014, INnoVation collapsed like a house of cards. Against the Blink era, he was helpless against the onslaught of stalkers. However when the meta works in his favor, when there is a clear path to victory, INnoVation shines. He was the strongest Terran during both the Hellbat drop era and the early 2013 4M parade pushes. He came back again to win a GSL after the widow mine/thor were rebuffed/buffed. He won his 2015 GSL after mech gained a boost of strength against Zerg after the Swarmhost nerf. Give INnoVation a clear path to the victory and he will march on it until the end. Throw him into a place of adversity and he falters.

Difference between INnoVation and Zest:

They were already close in the GOAT list, but INnoVation’s victory in GSL 2015 put him above Zest.

#2 | TaeJa



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    Achievements:
      Tier 1
    • WCS NA Season 2 2013 - Top 4
    • WCS Season 2 Finals 2013 - Top 4
    • DH Bucharest 2013 - 1st
    • DH Winter 2013 - 1st
    • IEM WC 2014 - Top 4
    • IEM Shenzhen 2014 - 1st
    • IEM Toronto 2014 - Top 4
    • Blizzcon 2014 - Top 4
    • DH Winter 2014 - 3rd

      Tier 2
    • DH Summer Open 2013 - Top 4
    • HSC VIII - 1st
    • HSC IX - 1st
    • DH Summer Open 2014 - 1st
    • HSC X - Top 4

      Tier 3
    • HSC VII - 1st
    • ASUS ROG Summer 2013 - 1st
    • Red Bull Detroit - 2nd
    • DH Valencia 2012 - 1st


TaeJa continues to be and will probably forever be one of SC2’s biggest anomalies. He is one of SC2’s greatest players, yet he has never had a big title in Korea, which many people rightfully call the hardest tournaments in the world. Yet at the same time TaeJa has won the most LANs of anyone. Of course, the argument is that he had played a lot of easy ones. Yet he also had numerous hard LANs against the best players at the peak of their strength. Not only did he do that, but he did it consistently for three year in three of the hardest years of SC2 from 2012 to the end of 2014. In 2012, Terran was in its weakest state ever and the only other Terrans to have won a Premier were Mvp and Sting (And Sting’s was one of the weaker IEM’s). 2013-2014 had the most competitive players during that time before the mass retirements and the KeSPA players had completely transferred by that point, yet the player who won the most was TaeJa. In terms of pure numbers he has the best records against the best players of all time.

    TaeJa's game record vs everyone else from the GOAT:
  • TaeJa 8-7 Leenock
  • TaeJa 10-8 DRG
  • TaeJa 3-0 Maru
  • TaeJa 3-1 soO
  • TaeJa 9-10 MarineKing
  • TaeJa 3-6 Rain
  • TaeJa 20-12 INnoVation
  • TaeJa 5-1 Zest
  • TaeJa 4-0 NesTea
  • TaeJa 13-7 MMA
  • TaeJa 13-18 Polt
  • TaeJa 18-10 MC
  • TaeJa 5-5 Mvp
  • TaeJa 29-20 Life


Only 3 players on the whole list have a positive record against TaeJa: MarineKing (who actually has a losing record in matches vs TaeJa) Rain and Polt.

    TaeJa's match record vs everyone else on the list:
  • TaeJa 3-3 Leenock
  • TaeJa 4-3 DRG
  • TaeJa 2-0 Maru
  • TaeJa 1-0 soO
  • TaeJa 5-4 MarineKing
  • TaeJa 1-4 Rain
  • TaeJa 9-4 INnoVation
  • TaeJa 2-0 Zest
  • TaeJa 3-0 NesTea
  • TaeJa 7-5 MMA
  • TaeJa 4-6 Polt
  • TaeJa 6-5 MC
  • TaeJa 2-3 Mvp
  • TaeJa 11-6 Life


Again only 3 people have a positive record against TaeJa on the whole list: Mvp, Rain and Polt.

Earlier I wrote about how Maru’s sustained peak consistency was the best of anyone in HotS. Taeja’s was second best as he was a Top 3 Terran for all of 2013 and 2014 and proved it against the best players in multiple huge LANs.

Difference between INnoVation and TaeJa:

TaeJa was named both Terran of the year and player of the year in 2013 and Terran of the year in 2014. Both times it was over INnoVation and both times it was because of his spectacular consistency in winning against nearly everyone even without the big Korean titles. That logic still holds true now. In 2015, the only strong title INnoVation added was his GSL, yet even if you include that, the amount of Top 10-Top5 players TaeJa has beaten still dwarfs INnoVation's. Then you measure consistency where TaeJa’s peak consistency was better than INnoVation’s (though INnoVation had an extra year of being a top Terran in 2015), which is about even. Then you include the intangibles of how TaeJa was able to win against imbalance and INnoVation did not and there are just too many factors that were in TaeJa’s favor overall.

#1 | Life



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    Achievements:
      Tier 1
    • MLG Winter Championship - 1st
    • DH Bucharest - Top 4
    • DH Winter - 2nd
    • GSL Season 1 2014 - Top 4
    • IEM Toronto - Top 4
    • Blizzcon 2014 - 1st
    • DH Winter 2014 - 2nd
    • SSL - Top 4
    • GSL Season 1 Code S 2015 - 1st
    • IEM Taipei - 1st
    • KeSPA Cup S2 - Top 4
    • Blizzcon 2015 - 2nd

      Tier 2
    • IEM NY 2013 - 1st
    • DH Bucharest 2014 - 1st

      Tier 3
    • Asus Northcon - Top 4


Life’s career is not too dissimilar from a bear but instead of hibernating in winter, he hibernates during summer. And instead of waking up in the spring to maul everyone, he wakes up in the fall to maul everyone. At this time Life has had three peaks and has had three falls “or slumps”. His first peak lasted from the end of 2012 to the beginning of 2013, his second from the end of 2013 to the beginning of 2014, and his third from the end of 2014 to the beginning of 2015. His fourth could have happened after BlizzCon, but now we'll never know. But one thing is clear. Life does not run along the same patterns of other SC2 players. Other SC2 players have a period of domination and then slowly fall down with intermittent peaks before retiring. In Life’s case he is either super on or he isn’t. But when he is super on, only the greatest in the world have a hope of stopping him. His domination over HotS wasn't consistent but when he was dominating, he dominated harder than anyone else besides peak Zest. He is easily HotS' greatest player and most likely the greatest Zerg SC2 will ever have.

Note about Life:

This list was written after BlizzCon and was finished before the start of the year. On January 31, 2016 Life was arrested for allegedly receiving money for match fixing. Since then, no details have come out as to his guilt or his innocence, and what role he had in the scandal.

So the question was whether or not we should acknowledge Life's achievements as a player. Is match fixing wrong? Yes. Does it hurt the scene? Yes. Is Life one of the greatest players to have played SC2? Yes. While we acknowledge his skills and achievements as a player, we do not condone any possible match fixing that was done by Life. Until more details are released regarding his role in the match fixing and the benefits he received, and until the tournament organizers and KeSPA strip him of his titles, he is still the greatest player in Heart of the Swarm.





Writer(s): stuchiu
Photo credit: Turtle Entertainment, silverfire, dailyesports, fomos, WCS
Graphics: Nathaniel
Editors: lichter
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Cashling
Profile Joined May 2015
United States49 Posts
March 18 2016 02:02 GMT
#2
the photos are hot af
Diamond 1 Noob, Dark we still love you. <3 twitch.tv/nooblingsc2
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2898 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 02:20:18
March 18 2016 02:02 GMT
#3
Life's spot is undeniable. Also very glad to see soO recognized for his accomplishments.

I can absolutely, under no circumstance, get on board with TaeJa #2 though. In most individual sports, Tennis, Golf, etc. you are judged by how many Majors you win. Majors in Starcraft are Korean Titles, specifically GSLs, followed perhaps by SSLs and Blizzcons (even though Blizzcon is in USA). Taeja has 0 of these. If he were a Tennis player for example, people would say "Yeah, he won some Masters 1000's and some 750 and 500 tournaments but he doesn't have a single Grand Slam. He didn't even get close. Why exactly are we even talking about this guy?". Now granted, Taeja was a great player, definitely Top 10, but doing well in Korea and doing well outside of Korea are two entirely different things. This is your list though, so I respect your opinion but just wanted to share mine (obviously).

Well written by the way.
Cashling
Profile Joined May 2015
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 02:05:01
March 18 2016 02:04 GMT
#4
On March 18 2016 11:02 G5 wrote:
Life's spot is undeniable. Also very glad to see soO recognized for his accomplishments.


Sad to see him in question but I agree with you, he was simply the best no way around it.
Diamond 1 Noob, Dark we still love you. <3 twitch.tv/nooblingsc2
BlackZetsu
Profile Joined October 2014
United States179 Posts
March 18 2016 02:12 GMT
#5
An absolute joke of a list that belittles the accomplishment of winning the most difficult tournaments and caters solely to fan favorites.

The Real Top 15:

1. sOs
2. Life
3. Innovation
4. Classic
5. Maru
6. herO
7. Zest
8. Rain
9. soO
10. Dear
11. Soulkey
12. Byul
13. Parting
14. Polt
15. Taeja
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 02:16:58
March 18 2016 02:14 GMT
#6
sOs #7, Taeja #2 (above inno lol) Life #1

Please someone, tell me im drunk.
I have never seen that big amount of bullshit in one article.
I wanted to give stuchiu another chance after he put sOs #7, but with that garbage top 5 ranking, i have absolutly 0 interest in reading his articles anymore.

On top of that, it seems like he put more effort in finding funny pictures than wrting actual stuff. Around 5-6 lines per player? in the top 5?

Not only that article was lazy, but it was bias, and wrong on soo many aspects that no sane human would agree with stuchiu. Now i have 1 less writer to read and care about.

The saddest part is that the other GOAT was pretty good. This one is just a sad pathetic joke.
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
ClaudeSc2
Profile Joined May 2014
United States73 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 02:24:27
March 18 2016 02:16 GMT
#7
Totally disagree that a guy who's never won a tournament in Korea is #2 on this list. I don't give a damn if he beat Solar in the finals of an IEM or that he took out Life at a Dreamhack. Beating other top Koreans in a series late in a big tournament doesn't elevate you to greatness, running the gauntlet is the true test, and he never managed to.
Psychotikah
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada101 Posts
March 18 2016 02:20 GMT
#8
Who are those two guys in the banner???

Please someone tell me!!!
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 02:29:46
March 18 2016 02:24 GMT
#9
On March 18 2016 11:12 BlackZetsu wrote:
An absolute joke of a list that belittles the accomplishment of winning the most difficult tournaments and caters solely to fan favorites.

The Real Top 15:

1. sOs
2. Life
3. Innovation
4. Classic
5. Maru
6. herO
7. Zest
8. Rain
9. soO
10. Dear
11. Soulkey
12. Byul
13. Parting
14. Polt
15. Taeja


"caters to fan favorites"

Puts herO above Zest & Rain & soO, polt before taeja, byul being on the list at all
A good solid lack of bias there I see.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 02:24 GMT
#10
You two again

On March 18 2016 11:12 BlackZetsu wrote:
An absolute joke of a list that belittles the accomplishment of winning the most difficult tournaments and caters solely to fan favorites.

The Real Top 15:

1. sOs
2. Life
3. Innovation
4. Classic
5. Maru
6. herO
7. Zest
8. Rain
9. soO
10. Dear
11. Soulkey
12. Byul
13. Parting
14. Polt
15. Taeja


How can you write something like that and then put sOs at number one? Your "real top 15" list isn't all that good tbh


@ stuchiu's list: Well i disagree with Taeja being that high, but that's just one of the things we always disagree on (value of his wins compared to korean tournaments)
Other than that the list looks decent enough for my taste i guess.
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Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
March 18 2016 02:26 GMT
#11
Solid work as always Stichui. Despite my strong disagreements with certain rankings (and not factoring in PL role/results, which has to be a critical component of the entire picture), all the work and research you've done has really allowed all of us to have much more informed discussions than would have otherwise been possible.

Until we know the specifics of Life's actions and the results of them, his achievements have to be recognized without bias. And if anything, the odds that he intentionally threw is far more likely than the other way around (having opponents intentionally lose). Which would only further make his achievements all the more impressive, if he in fact denied himself additional opportunities to win.
Flash I Jaedong I herO I Best I Maru I Rogue
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 18 2016 02:27 GMT
#12
somehow, inno being bad when terrans are insanely UP is why hes not higher, but Life, a zerg that invisible for 8 months, than go on rampage, then disappear for another 6 months, on top of being garbage in PL is fine at being #1?

If at least stuchiu was consistent in his bullshit.....
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
March 18 2016 02:36 GMT
#13
Outside of sOs not being there I agree with the top 5
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Names
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada328 Posts
March 18 2016 02:37 GMT
#14
On March 18 2016 11:27 Ensiferum8 wrote:
somehow, inno being bad when terrans are insanely UP is why hes not higher, but Life, a zerg that invisible for 8 months, than go on rampage, then disappear for another 6 months, on top of being garbage in PL is fine at being #1?

If at least stuchiu was consistent in his bullshit.....

Considering the remaining players at the time this article was posted, I can't understand why you are surprised finding Life #1 on this list. In my mind, this spot could of been contested by only a few, and none that weren't already ranked in parts one and two of this list. You can't really deny his achievements... http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Life#Achievements
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 02:39:37
March 18 2016 02:38 GMT
#15
I respect stuchiu's method and his writing skills, but I strongly disagree with his list.

Taeja is way overrated. He's good, but essentialy, he's just a weekend warrior. The greatest players in SC2 are measured in the hardest tournament: the GSL. Taeja, as we all know, has failed in that regard.

Also, I strongly disagree with Dear not listed here. His peak was insane; even higher than Zest.

Same with sOs in N° 7. Come on, sOs shaped up the entire XvP metagame in early HoTS, besides winning 2 blizzcons, an insane feat.

But anyways, nice writeup, as always.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
March 18 2016 02:38 GMT
#16
On March 18 2016 11:27 Ensiferum8 wrote:
somehow, inno being bad when terrans are insanely UP is why hes not higher, but Life, a zerg that invisible for 8 months, than go on rampage, then disappear for another 6 months, on top of being garbage in PL is fine at being #1?

If at least stuchiu was consistent in his bullshit.....


You come across like he's personally wronged you in some way. His list is his and his alone. And never purported to be the all-encompassing, bible of rankings that we all must adhere too. He's done far more research than any of us, and these rankings are great for community discussion and at the very least, thought provoking.
Flash I Jaedong I herO I Best I Maru I Rogue
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
March 18 2016 02:53 GMT
#17
Here I was asking myself why the hell TL would profile Heroes of the Storm players. Mystery solved.
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 18 2016 03:02 GMT
#18
On March 18 2016 11:38 Orr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 11:27 Ensiferum8 wrote:
somehow, inno being bad when terrans are insanely UP is why hes not higher, but Life, a zerg that invisible for 8 months, than go on rampage, then disappear for another 6 months, on top of being garbage in PL is fine at being #1?

If at least stuchiu was consistent in his bullshit.....


You come across like he's personally wronged you in some way. His list is his and his alone. And never purported to be the all-encompassing, bible of rankings that we all must adhere too. He's done far more research than any of us, and these rankings are great for community discussion and at the very least, thought provoking.

The problem is that his list is not a random you see on reddit, its on TL, the most prestigious sc2 website, on the Featured news (not general discussion) Granted it should nto be taken like the bible, btu it should be somewhat respectable, unbias and logical.

If he made a lot of researchs, he would not have written such a garbage top 15. When you make a top list that thousands will see, you got to be professional and unbias.

He didnt cared at all about PL, probaly the most important league/tournament for koreans (with GSL), otherwise Life would not be #1.


Ask the majority of people if they would put sOs in their top 5, the vast majority would say yes, probaly in their top 3, probably #1 even.

Ask most people if they would put Taeja (even though I love him) above Inno, above sOs, above Zest even, most people would say no.

The fact that a writer like stuchiu made a list that would be read by thousands and didnt even care to do it well and without bias is what makes me disappointed.

If he had put Life #1, inno #2, sOs#3, i woudl have disagree, but it would make at least mroee sense. Now thats just bullshit
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 18 2016 03:05 GMT
#19
On March 18 2016 11:37 Names wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 11:27 Ensiferum8 wrote:
somehow, inno being bad when terrans are insanely UP is why hes not higher, but Life, a zerg that invisible for 8 months, than go on rampage, then disappear for another 6 months, on top of being garbage in PL is fine at being #1?

If at least stuchiu was consistent in his bullshit.....

Considering the remaining players at the time this article was posted, I can't understand why you are surprised finding Life #1 on this list. In my mind, this spot could of been contested by only a few, and none that weren't already ranked in parts one and two of this list. You can't really deny his achievements... http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Life#Achievements

putting his greatest contester rank #7 is a joke. Because of Life's poor performance in PL and huge inconsistency (being invisible for months multiple time in his career), i would not put him above sOs or Inno, both players that not only affected the meta more than life, but that had great individual results AND insane team results.

But sOs being #7 and taeja #2 is just a sad, awfull ranking.
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
A_Scarecrow
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Australia721 Posts
March 18 2016 03:07 GMT
#20
great read though sos and taeja should of been swapped. life is no.1 no matter what people say sos was very good but his peak was not the same level.
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