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Greatest HotS Players of All Time: Part 3 - Page 7

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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 18 2016 14:51 GMT
#121
I know bans are slow these days but baiting with TaeJa #2... It's a low blow
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 18 2016 14:51 GMT
#122
Fun fact: the list is correct
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
March 18 2016 14:59 GMT
#123
Honestly, not a bad article from stu. anyone calling liquid bias has rose coloured glasses
어윤수|이신형|이재동|이승형
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 18 2016 15:01 GMT
#124
On March 18 2016 23:59 ruypture wrote:
Honestly, not a bad article from stu. anyone calling liquid bias has rose coloured glasses


Are you talking about MarineKing ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
BlackZetsu
Profile Joined October 2014
United States179 Posts
March 18 2016 15:19 GMT
#125
On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?

Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc

So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What?

He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read.



I actually have, right after blizzcon

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[image loading]


I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers.


What 100K tournaments are you referring to?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 15:24:53
March 18 2016 15:23 GMT
#126
On March 19 2016 00:19 BlackZetsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:
On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?

Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc

So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What?

He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read.



I actually have, right after blizzcon

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers.


What 100K tournaments are you referring to?

Blizzcon is listed seperately so I assume IEM Katowice and the WCS season final thingys. Not where you win 100k for yourself necessarily but where there's a 100k+ prize pool.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
March 18 2016 15:23 GMT
#127
All this newfound discussion surrounding the importance (exclusion from this ranking system) of Proleague feels like a watershed moment for me. There was virtually no debate about it until I started writing in detail beginning in Part 1 and continuing through Part 2 about why I thought it was a critical component in evaluating the totality of the best of the best.

Now everyone is mentioning it like common sense stuff, although it's clear many haven't watched enough PL to fully understand the dominant players, trends, meta changes, and pressure cooker that is the best team league in the world (by far).
Flash I Jaedong I herO I Best I Maru I Rogue
Tes-Jaf
Profile Joined February 2016
3 Posts
March 18 2016 15:29 GMT
#128
#2 Taeja xd someone can make a serious list plz?
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 15:39:00
March 18 2016 15:38 GMT
#129
Taeja #2 is laughable
BlackZetsu
Profile Joined October 2014
United States179 Posts
March 18 2016 15:47 GMT
#130
On March 19 2016 00:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 00:19 BlackZetsu wrote:
On March 18 2016 19:45 REyeM wrote:
On March 18 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 19:17 REyeM wrote:
Can't write. Biased as fuck. And you call yourself a "journalist". I mean it's okay to fantasize on your own and to have opinions but why the fuck would anyone want to have this nonsense on their website?

Anyway, if you just put raw numbers and do the math for HotS leagues only it's easy to see what the actual ranking is. God knows which criterias has he used. In my opinions it goes something like 1.) INnoVation 2.) Maru 3.) Zest 4.) soO 5.) sOs etc

So he's biased as fuck, just putting raw numbers in makes it easy to see what the true ranking is, but of course you didn't do that yourself and rather give your biased opinion. What?

He has a link to the criteria he based the list on in the foreword of all 3 parts of this list, so I'm not sure this is a case of him not being able to write over you not being able to read.



I actually have, right after blizzcon

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


I personally wasn't impressed by Life enough to put him top 5, but I wouldn't mind him being #3 just based on numbers.


What 100K tournaments are you referring to?

Blizzcon is listed seperately so I assume IEM Katowice and the WCS season final thingys. Not where you win 100k for yourself necessarily but where there's a 100k+ prize pool.


Thanks! Didn't realize the 2013 WCS Season Finals had $150,000 prize pools.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 18 2016 16:12 GMT
#131
Come on, guys, you can't be serious about HerO being more handsome than herO!
When you ask any KESPA player, they will agree that herO is number 1. But you need to ask primarily Korean ladies. And even Maru's mother is saying, how handsome is herO.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
March 18 2016 16:14 GMT
#132
So much salt over the rankings.
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
March 18 2016 16:27 GMT
#133
IMO the greatest HotS player is between sOs and Innovation, Life is no.3. The rest of the HotS players do not qualify for top 3.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
March 18 2016 16:53 GMT
#134
I'm sure we'll see Taeja in the top 2 for Lotv even if he retires after this season.

Otherwise a nice read.
Flash | Mvp
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
March 18 2016 16:59 GMT
#135
Yeah, and why not rank Chile over Spain and Argentina in the 'Greatest Footballing Nation In The Last Decade' while you're at it...
gg no re thx
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 18 2016 17:04 GMT
#136
On March 18 2016 23:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Classic handsome #1
Byul handsome #2


Got that chin fetish going on
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 18 2016 17:18 GMT
#137
On March 19 2016 02:04 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 23:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Classic handsome #1
Byul handsome #2


Got that chin fetish going on

No no, ByuL's chin is fake. He is not a true protoss.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 18 2016 17:29 GMT
#138
This list aside, it should be pretty obvious that Jun TaeYang is the cutest pro. HerO and MKP maybe not too far behind.
WCS is a shitty joke, with racist rules. Support players who deserves it instead of foreigner scrubs who dont work half as much as koreans. JUN TAEYANG IS THE BEST <3
Topim0
Profile Joined December 2014
Finland8 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 17:43:08
March 18 2016 17:42 GMT
#139
So glad I don't have to take this part of the list seriously because earlier parts were so shitty.
BlackZetsu
Profile Joined October 2014
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 17:55:59
March 18 2016 17:43 GMT
#140
On March 19 2016 01:27 Alarak89 wrote:
IMO the greatest HotS player is between sOs and Innovation, Life is no.3. The rest of the HotS players do not qualify for top 3.


Category Innovation sOs Advantage
Blizzcon Championships 0 2 sOs
GSL Championships 2 0 Innovation
IEM 1 - Gamescome 1 - Katowice sOs
Proleague 72% Winrate 2015 Tied Most Wins 2014; 61% winrate, 2 all kills 2015 sOs
WCS Season Championship 1 0 Innovation
2nd Places GSL 2013; Dreamhack Bucharest 2013 2013 WCS Season 1; Red Bull Battlegrounds NY 2013 Even
Minor Tournament Championships None 2015 MSI; 2014 Hot6 Cup sOs
2013 GSL Top 4, Top 16; Top 4, Top 32, Top 16 Even
2014 GSL Top 16; Top 8, Top 32, Top 16 sOs
2015 GSL/SSL SSL: Top 32, Top 32, Top 8
GSL: Top 8, Top 16 SSL: Top 32, Top 16
GSL: Top 4, Top 16 Innovation

The big difference is sOs’s Blizzcons, IEM Katowice and 2014 Proleague vs Innovation’s 2 GSL’s and WCS 2013 Season 1 Championship. Most people are weighting GSLs higher than Blizzcons, so I will give the argument for why Blizzcon should be weighted higher:
1. It is easier for a player in Korea to make it to the Ro16 of GSL than to make it to Blizzcon. Thus, only the best of the best from Korea will make it to Blizzcon.
2. The “foreign” Koreans at 2013 Blizzcon were still in their prime and defeated all of the GSL Koreans in attendance (except for sOs).
3. 2015 Blizzcon was stacked with the best Koreans due to the double GSL/SSL tournament system in Korea. sOs defeated Parting, Rain, Rogue and Life. Innovation lost in the 2nd round to Life.
4. The pressure of winning on the big global stage is greater than in the comfortable confines of the GSL studio.
5. Money is the most objective measurement of a tournament’s significance, and it can be safely assumed that players will put the most effort into winning the most money.

Even if you weigh Blizzcon and GSL evenly, sOs comes out ahead in other categories. Innovation did not play in 2014 Proleague, while sOs tied for most Proleague wins that season. Innovatoin’s other championships are WCS Season 1 2013 and IEM Gamescom, while sOs won IEM Katowice, 2014 Hot6 Cup and MSI Masters. Winning a WCS Season finals is obviously top tier, but winning IEM Katowice and a Hot6 Cup outweighs it. It’s close, maybe even closer than sOs and Life, but I think sOs gets the slight edge.
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