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On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list.
I'm not talking Taeja, I'm talking about those ridiculous claims that sOs should be on top of the list without reaching a GSL finals based on the notion that somehow blizzcon and IEM Katowice are as good or better than GSL/OSL championships.
Taeja is one or two ranks too high for my gut feeling, but I have a good overview of how many tournaments this guy won and what opponent's he consistently beat and that really does qualify for a very high rank.
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On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list.
Oh yes, Taeja's championships in HotS are so impressive:
Homestory Cup VII
Asus ROG Summer 2013
2013 Dreamhack Open: Bucharest
Homestory Cup VIII
2013 DreamHack Open: Winter
Homestory Cup IX
2014 DreamhHack Open: Summer
IEM Shenzhen IX
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soO above Rain, sOs and herO??!! what.....
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On March 19 2016 06:43 BlackZetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list. Oh yes, Taeja's championships in HotS are so impressive: Homestory Cup VII Asus ROG Summer 2013 2013 Dreamhack Open: Bucharest Homestory Cup VIII 2013 DreamHack Open: Winter Homestory Cup IX 2014 DreamhHack Open: Summer IEM Shenzhen IX
To me, only GSL/SSL and WCS Final Series are called championship tournament So you should use a quotation for "championship" here
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It seems people have quickly forgotten the fear that Taeja struck in people's hearts during his reign. It was worse than even Inno in his recent peak. As a hardcore Life fan back in the day, even I was scared every single time that he went up against Taeja and that's saying something. Looking at how Taeja has dropped off, people's perceptions of him clearly went down the gutter as well. But when looking at how deadly he was and for that long amount of time, there is no doubt that Taeja is high up in the list. He was dominant. He struck fear in the hearts of even the most hardcore and diehard fans that knew their Starcraft. Although I don't know if I would quite put him at #2, he is definitely in the Top 5.
+ Show Spoiler +I think Life deserves #1. xP
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On March 19 2016 06:49 MiniFotToss wrote:
soO above Rain, sOs and herO??!! what.....
I like how you list all Protoss players. xP I was a big soO fan back in the day and you can only really understand his struggle when you look at what he went through. soO was knocked down hard so many times in a row but stood back up each time. People that haven't looked at soO closely may not realize how much it takes to pull yourself up and keep fighting each time you come close to that championship title. He can be written off as "consistent" but that was superhuman will to stand up each time. Also, soO was able to exploit the Zerg's macro to its greatest potential. While Life is great in his uncanny ability to sense weakness, soO was incredible in his ability to overpower his opponent's with macro in every game. There's a reason why his GSL Season "hype" trailer was boring. He was just that consistent in what he did to the extent it seemed normal. Maybe that was why he wasn't clutch when it actually mattered, but what he did was still incredible.
soO over Rain and sOs imo. I'm not quite sure about herO tbh tho.
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On March 18 2016 12:21 pure.Wasted wrote:
Taeja's positive record against the other GOATs is very misleading. This record comes from fighting them almost exclusively on HIS turf.
For Taeja nothing is more important than whatever weekend tournaments he happens to be playing in at any given point in time. You CANNOT compare that to a KeSPA player who has fifty other priorities and isn't used to the stresses of flying around the world right before a big game or playing in front of a foreign audience.
Note if you will how well Polt and MC - globe trotters themselves - match up against him, while players like Maru and Zest get blown right out.
Extremely disappointing to see Korean starleagues held in such low regard.
Highly agree w/ your first point. And it really should just be common sense.
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France12758 Posts
On March 19 2016 06:32 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list. I'm not talking Taeja, I'm talking about those ridiculous claims that sOs should be on top of the list without reaching a GSL finals based on the notion that somehow blizzcon and IEM Katowice are as good or better than GSL/OSL championships. Taeja is one or two ranks too high for my gut feeling, but I have a good overview of how many tournaments this guy won and what opponent's he consistently beat and that really does qualify for a very high rank.
As a terran I don't want my best representative not even be able to win a StarLeague, because that truly means there isn't even someone still standing strong.
INno managed to do it so it should be a no brainer.
Then the next PL/GSL terrans heros so probably Maru and idk.
Surely not TaeJa xD, looks more trollish than the patchzerg list.
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On March 18 2016 13:03 Big J wrote:
sos is overrated. His playstyle has been bad and he is bound to overcheese in longer tournaments when he hits multiple strong opponentsin a row. That's why he hasn't won something like a GSL.
Yeah, except the guy who rated no.1 on this list was the one who try to cheese sOs out in blizzcon grand finals with multiple early pool and baneling bust.
That's why sOs never win a blizzcon against the strong opponents. Oh wait...
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On March 19 2016 06:43 BlackZetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list. Oh yes, Taeja's championships in HotS are so impressive: Homestory Cup VII Asus ROG Summer 2013 2013 Dreamhack Open: Bucharest Homestory Cup VIII 2013 DreamHack Open: Winter Homestory Cup IX 2014 DreamhHack Open: Summer IEM Shenzhen IX
You're deluded if you think that DH Winter wasn't a stacked tournament. It was a harder run than blizzcon 13 / katowice 14 for example.
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On March 18 2016 13:03 Big J wrote:
sos is overrated. His playstyle has been bad and he is bound to overcheese in longer tournaments when he hits multiple strong opponentsin a row. That's why he hasn't won something like a GSL.
Congratulations on one of the most moronic statements I've ever seen on TL. Quite an impressive feat.
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Guys, I just watched the GSL group selection and I must acknowledge, TaeJa is a strategic genius. He deserves his spot in TOP5 :-)
So my ranking is now:
1. Life
2. InnoVaTion
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. TaeJa
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On March 19 2016 14:17 Diabolique wrote:
Guys, I just watched the GSL group selection and I must acknowledge, TaeJa is a strategic genius. He deserves his spot in TOP5 :-)
So my ranking is now:
1. Life
2. InnoVaTion
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. TaeJa
Ah but you forget that his group selection genius relates to LotV so it doesn't count!
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On March 19 2016 14:29 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 14:17 Diabolique wrote:
Guys, I just watched the GSL group selection and I must acknowledge, TaeJa is a strategic genius. He deserves his spot in TOP5 :-)
So my ranking is now:
1. Life
2. InnoVaTion
3. sOs
4. Zest
5. TaeJa Ah but you forget that his group selection genius relates to LotV so it doesn't count!
I know, but that was so brilliant that it flashes back to HotS.
1. "Guys, I do not care, I cannot get to RO8, so I will at least have fun and create a group of death."
2. "Hey, herO, I do not like my group, all the players are strong, it is practically a group of death. Can you switch me for soO?" :-)))
LOL!
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Did anyone (apart from TL staff) agree with Taeja #2? lol
I can see how Taeja is a top2 SC2 player of all time (WoL and HotS combined) but HotS alone, how is he deserving of #2?
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If anything, MMA with his multiple GSL, WCS championships, and 2nd place at blizzcon 2014 should be the beacon for terran, not Taeja
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that damned liquid bias huh
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France12758 Posts
On March 19 2016 11:31 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 06:43 BlackZetsu wrote:On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list. Oh yes, Taeja's championships in HotS are so impressive: Homestory Cup VII Asus ROG Summer 2013 2013 Dreamhack Open: Bucharest Homestory Cup VIII 2013 DreamHack Open: Winter Homestory Cup IX 2014 DreamhHack Open: Summer IEM Shenzhen IX You're deluded if you think that DH Winter wasn't a stacked tournament. It was a harder run than blizzcon 13 / katowice 14 for example.
It's not a harder run especially considering Blizzcon prestige compared to a Dreamhack.
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On March 19 2016 21:10 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 11:31 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On March 19 2016 06:43 BlackZetsu wrote:On March 19 2016 06:29 Charoisaur wrote:On March 19 2016 04:26 Big J wrote:
And just stop to treat weekend tournaments like GSL/OSL, whether you think they are worth two times more or 1.5 times more, they are much more important. Especially to the players who won't make room for a weekend tournament when they have a shot at placing high in a Korea premier league. Nobody here thinks weekend tournaments are just as important as GSL/OSL, but even when korean tournaments are worth two times or 1,5 times more TaeJa would still be very high on the list. Oh yes, Taeja's championships in HotS are so impressive: Homestory Cup VII Asus ROG Summer 2013 2013 Dreamhack Open: Bucharest Homestory Cup VIII 2013 DreamHack Open: Winter Homestory Cup IX 2014 DreamhHack Open: Summer IEM Shenzhen IX You're deluded if you think that DH Winter wasn't a stacked tournament. It was a harder run than blizzcon 13 / katowice 14 for example. It's not a harder run especially considering Blizzcon prestige compared to a Dreamhack.
So HerO --> Polt --> Bomber --> JD is a harder run than INnoVation --> sOs --> ForGG --> HerO --> MMA --> Life (twice) because Blizzcon is a more prestigious tournament than DH: Winter? I'm not sure I follow.
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