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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10843309/Ukraines-richest-man-accuses-separatists-of-genocide.html | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
any kremlin agent simply needs to round up roughly 20, so f.ex 15 people or 'human rights activists', and trade a gru sponsored vodka for an endorsement of the referendum. voila, we have foolproof evidence that the referendum is legit. @mc usaid and ned are two of the agencies in question. i made it perfectly clear why it is problematic. i'm not gonna fall for your dyslectic dialectic again. @roman amazing how this works. it's like clockwork. i say one thing about something / someone, and then you misread it, invert it, and attribute it to me, and blame me for you doing it! ahahah. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 20 2014 23:38 PaleMan wrote: Roman, you will not believe what i will tell you now i'd never believe it myself but i witnessed it can you imagine main TV channels in your country telling you every day that you suck, you are dirty pig, you are useless, you country is evil dirty shithole and always been and it will never be good you are guilty in everything bad what happened to this world etc. hard to believe, eh? but that's how russian TV portrayed the reality in 90's once again - i'd never believe it myself but i saw it with my eyes and listened with my own ears day by day during chechen war one of the top 3 channels portrayed chechens and terrorist from all over the world who helped them as heroes and russian army forces as murderers every position in goverment was secured by people whos only mission was to destroy anything could help Russia to be better there is a lot of those ppl right now too! hell, Putin is one of them, but all of a sudden he decided to betray our pro-western elite and do something for Russia instead of only stealing, wrecking and pleasing US/EU so here is the answer to your question Paleman has gone off the deep end lol. So apparently Russian TV tells paleman that he sucks, is an dirty pig, is useless, is an evil dirty shithole and always been and it will never be good. This is proof in Paleman's universe that the Crimean referendum has not been doctored. Paleman, do you ever get cognitive dissonance, or do you just ignore it? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 21 2014 00:03 nunez wrote: @fjodorov shaky report and the people behind it apparently have ties to us govt agencies (usaid and ned) who are funelling freedom skrill into maidan and ukraine (along with omidyar). they're prone to supporting regimes that allows us vamps to suck the country dry and subverting those that don't, using f.ex disinfo and propaganda. poor South Korea, suffering so much under US occupation. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11157 Posts
On May 21 2014 01:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Paleman has gone off the deep end lol. So apparently Russian TV tells paleman that he sucks, is an dirty pig, is useless, is an evil dirty shithole and always been and it will never be good. This is proof in Paleman's universe that the Crimean referendum has not been doctored. Paleman, do you ever get cognitive dissonance, or do you just ignore it? Nono, you don't understand. That was in the 90s. Now they have the great leader Putin, who made sure that all media is objective and tells russians how great russia is. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 21 2014 01:17 Roman666 wrote: This is interesting, so much for public support of the terrorists: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10843309/Ukraines-richest-man-accuses-separatists-of-genocide.html Considering some DNR officials recently made public plans to nationalize the property of oligarhs with "wrong political views", that was kind of expected. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
http://news.liga.net/news/politics/1810712-na_prezidentskikh_vyborakh_lidiruet_petr_poroshenko_opros.htm | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
Sorry can't translate now. There is a small description on it's youtube page. Appeal to Putin: In Russia must rule the king. No matter how he is called. We need help in weapon equipment, in order not to lose our soldiers in the melee but destroy the enemy at a distance. Please open the corridor for those who want to protect Holy Russia. According to 1+1 news, he is wanted in Russia for attempted murder. http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/borodatyy-naemnik-babay-voyuet-v-slavyanske-potomu-chto-v-rossii-on-v-rozyske-time-362419.html | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On May 21 2014 04:14 Cheerio wrote: An appeal from DNR officer to Putin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFdZXWcRqW4 Sorry can't translate now. There is a small description on it's youtube page. According to 1+1 news, he is wanted in Russia for attempted murder. http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/borodatyy-naemnik-babay-voyuet-v-slavyanske-potomu-chto-v-rossii-on-v-rozyske-time-362419.html Ah, this guy. I think his case was discussed few dozens of pages before. Some freedom fucking fighter, my ass. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 21 2014 01:56 Cheerio wrote: Poroshenko is close to win in the first round. According to SOCIS poll, Poroshenko gets 34%, Tymoshenko 6.5%, Tygybko 5.8%, but 23.4% were undecided аnd 11.7% would not go to the elections. If those are taken out, Poroshenko gets slightly over 50%. http://news.liga.net/news/politics/1810712-na_prezidentskikh_vyborakh_lidiruet_petr_poroshenko_opros.htm *** *** *** *** | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On May 19 2014 19:35 Mc wrote: Agree with pretty much everything except that Poroshenko should win easily unless something drastic happens. Tyomshenko won't win regardless. And I wouldn't characterize Ukraine as "fucked" necessarily. They have a chance to try and introduce economic/democratic reforms and if you've hit rock-bottom you can only go up  Yeah, my mind had slipped for a second and I forgot just how ahead Poroshenko was. They're not at rock-bottom though. That's what worries me. Rock-bottom is like Iraq in 2003 (or even now for that matter lol :/ ). I hope things go up. No one deserves to live that impoverished. On May 19 2014 19:36 hypercube wrote: Well, that's the impression I've got from some Russian posters here. I didn't mean the Russian leadership ofc, I imagine they are quite realistic. I don't see how Russia can develop other industries without access to foreign capital and expertise and with the threat of more extensive sanctions hanging over their head. Plus there's unfavourable demographics and increased military spending all taking money away from investment. A few of the Russian guys are a bit amusing. I'll say that. They're some guys here like that, but I'm actually used to them. The Russian version of this is not something I come across daily and in real life, so it's astonishing everytime  I can't speak for other things, but when it comes to oil, their getting all the capital and expertise they need lol. The amount of development going on, especially in the Far East unsurprisingly (like Sakhalin for example) is immense. Most other areas of development are still "budding", so to speak, but with time, those things will come. I realize the USA will be 100% against this, but if there will come a day where Russian policy will be geared into Euro-integration and a disjoint European bloc, rather than something like EU and then something like NATO run by USA, it will infinitely benefit Russia and many other European countries. However, as long as there's Russia/US shitflinging and Imperial Majesties in Russia (and to a lesser degree, US), this won't happen  But also, there's a lot of smart people in Russia. Russia was a "developed" country that had huge economic and political collapses. They're not some random country that never knew what technology was. They're radically different from other of what we would consider to be developing countries. They're certainly not anywhere near as lacking in human resources as most other developing countries are. ================================================================================ Gas deals? ;D The problem is, China tries to get a ridiculously low price on anything (including with these gas deals), while exporting things for much higher than their value (but is still cheap thanks to practically having slave labor). I cannot at all blame Russian corporations for not agreeing to a deal. Funnily enough, I know a couple petro/chemical engineers who were on assignment in China on refineries. Once the Chinese company they were working with knew everything they needed to know to finish it, they basically kicked 'em out. lol >_> China has a strategy of paying a lot less than everyone else does and "self-development" by practically stealing methodologies and technologies from foreign engineers/scientists. If Russia agrees to a cheap deal with China, not only would it be terribly stupid, but then other nations would complain that China pays less than they do. It would stir up some drama. lol Also, at the risk of sounding like a smartass, but Aviadarts is done in Voronezh province (at least it was last year). So telling the Russians they can't hold exercises where they have before is ridiculous. Obviously, there's a twist!! ... ... the timing is interesting obviously  It's also a bit earlier than it was last year. LOL those sneaky Russians. But seriously, where should they hold drills? Northeastern Siberian tundra? lol jkWe (USA) have huge amounts of military forces right on the border with Mexico (for one example, see: San Diego County). In fact, the military forces in the aforementioned county alone can most likely conquer Mexico. The Mexicans know we're not going to invade (even though we could easily make a justification from all the drug peddling and violence from their cartels/gangs here), so they're not worried. Russia appears to have zero intentions of invading eastern Ukraine, so I don't think the new regime should worry when the exercises take place. I don't see how random military exercises far away affects what's going on with their politics, unless they feel that separatists will watch videos of the military exercises and go full jihad-mode or something. While that is a valid concern in maybe a couple regards, it seems more to serve the purpose of Ukraine's propaganda than to make an actual point. | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
Title says it all: Ukraine's Military Is Raising Money Through Text Donations And It's Going To Need Them http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/ukraine-military-text-donations_n_5358507.html | ||
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marigoldran
219 Posts
Russian "journalists" are captured in East Ukraine with anti-aircraft missiles. Of course this does not necessarily mean that Russia is involved in arming the separatists. Perhaps they're just random journalists who carry anti-aircraft missiles for personal protection. After all, we have to be fair and objective. Just because the Russians supported the separatists in Crimea does not necessarily mean they support the separatists in East Ukraine. We must keep an open mind. Journalism in Russia is very different from journalism in the West. Perhaps it's standard policy for Russian journalists to carry anti-air capabilities. | ||
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Sokrates
738 Posts
Just tinfoiling here. User was warned for this post | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 21 2014 12:23 marigoldran wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-reporters-held-ukraine-had-missiles-us-221417508.html Russian "journalists" are captured in East Ukraine with anti-aircraft missiles. Of course this does not necessarily mean that Russia is involved in arming the separatists. Perhaps they're just random journalists who carry anti-aircraft missiles for personal protection. After all, we have to be fair and objective. Just because the Russians supported the separatists in Crimea does not necessarily mean they support the separatists in East Ukraine. We must keep an open mind. Journalism in Russia is very different from journalism in the West. Perhaps it's standard policy for Russian journalists to carry anti-air capabilities. There are more sources that Russia is involving its journalists in the war: This is especially despicable as journalists need to be seen as independent bystanders for their own protection. This endangers the lives of thousands of journalists around the world. Which probably suits the Kremlin just perfect. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
how does that video implicate any journos ghan? the guy filming has gloves and camo. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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Dlash23
Russian Federation38 Posts
On May 21 2014 21:19 nunez wrote: graham phillips was also kidnapped by junta henchmen. i wonder what kind of weapon they're gonna find in his trunk. how does that video implicate any journos ghan? the guy filming has gloves and camo. this estonian guy is very funny. I always read his posts with a smile=) he is so russophobe that I think he would cut his leg if Russia became a little worse | ||
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