The fact that we, the US and EU and a few billionaires, funded violent regime change groups in bed with west Ukraine fascists and Russophobes has only made Putin’s domestic job easier.
This is very disturbing that a nation-wide revolution against Yanukovich regime, that (the revolution) was supported according to polls by arround half of the population, is being discounted to the results of some "fascists" activity. This is like discounting the WW2 to just Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sometimes I feel like if WW2 happened today, people would still blame US for it.
Cheerio still thinks it was "peoples" revolution
Let me explain how it was done: - since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries - all you have to do is to throw a sparkle through media to begin "revolution" - since all media in Ukraine belongs to oligarchs and all oligarch's money are in western banks and offshores it is easy for US/EU to control them and make them do what is needed - so you start Maidan and give it full support in all major medias and ppl like you Cheerio begin to think that it was "nation-wide" revolution
of course "(the revolution) was supported according to polls by arround half of the population" because TV says it is good and most of the ppl forgot how to use their brain thats how it's done nowadays
and about your:
Driving out the most corrupt President Ukraine ever had, and letting anyone who takes his place know, that the same will happen to him if he would be doing the same, looks like a step in the right direction
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mark my words your presidents and prime-ministers will steal and steal and steal you can't expect them to be afraid of revolution if they created it themselves by the EU/US order
The fact that we, the US and EU and a few billionaires, funded violent regime change groups in bed with west Ukraine fascists and Russophobes has only made Putin’s domestic job easier.
This is very disturbing that a nation-wide revolution against Yanukovich regime, that (the revolution) was supported according to polls by arround half of the population, is being discounted to the results of some "fascists" activity. This is like discounting the WW2 to just Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sometimes I feel like if WW2 happened today, people would still blame US for it.
Cheerio still thinks it was "peoples" revolution
Let me explain how it was done: - since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries - all you have to do is to throw a sparkle through media to begin "revolution" - since all media in Ukraine belongs to oligarchs and all oligarch's money are in western banks and offshores it is easy for US/EU to control them and make them do what is needed - so you start Maidan and give it full support in all major medias and ppl like you Cheerio begin to think that it was "nation-wide" revolution
of course "(the revolution) was supported according to polls by arround half of the population" because TV says it is good and most of the ppl forgot how to use their brain thats how it's done nowadays
Driving out the most corrupt President Ukraine ever had, and letting anyone who takes his place know, that the same will happen to him if he would be doing the same, looks like a step in the right direction
.
mark my words your presidents and prime-ministers will steal and steal and steal you can't expect them to be afraid of revolution if they created it themselves by the EU/US order
It is ironic to see that comming from a russian. Media bias, social dissatisfaction, economic coersion and kleptocracy... Just saying. It is a fine line between a well-orchestrated conspiracy and the proverb "thief thinks everyone is stealing".
I'd just like to make the point that Paleman doesn't represent Russians, most of them are kind souls. Paleman is a very different animal born out what's wrong with Putin's regime.
** Early reports suggest the Donetsk rally is modest.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
On May 20 2014 19:42 Gorsameth wrote: I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied.
Maybe most people are satisfied with their quality of life. I guess you have to ignore places like Spain or Italy, or some high crime parts of the US or most immigrant communities almost everywhere, but yes, I expect more people are satisfied than not.
That's not to say they are satisfied with the way their political system works. Again, the US is a great example of legalized corruption.
So no, the 'west' isn't a model of equality (even before law) and efficient institutions. It's a system that works well enough where people think it's better to try to improve it, or just live with it, than to destroy it altogether. But that's just an admission that chaos and anarchy sucks not an endorsement of the current system.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
Like he said, not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied.
there is an anecdote:
- why there is no revolutions in USA? - cause there is no US embassy there
same goes for their EU allies
you missed the whole point of my post: you can create revolution/coup/overturn wherever you want if you control global and local medias
Or you know, it could be because there is less need for revolutions when there are fair and honest elections every 4 years.
so Yanukovich election wasn't fair and honest?
and of course elections of 25th May in Ukraine will be super fair and honest, right?
I think the main issue with what you said is that you dismiss ( this) as simply some EU/Western coup of Ukraine.
Do you not think that after years of rampant corruption on a ridiculous scale that people weren't upset? Let's say that only 50% are for Ukraine integration with the West. Yanukovych basically convinces everybody that he is going to sign with EU, then suddenly switches sides and decides to sign with Russia. I think that 50% of the country was quite pissed and many went to protest on Maidan. They stayed their in the dead of winder for months on end (some are still there).
And you simply pass that off as political manipulation of the masses? I think it seems like their was genuine anger at Yanukovych's corruption and the fact that he lead people into believing he would sign a deal w/ the EU. When he signed a deal w/ Russia many Ukrainian's dreams of EU integration were dashed. Is that not a reasonable reason for people (who want European integration, less corruption), to go out to the streets and protest??
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
Like he said, not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied.
there is an anecdote:
- why there is no revolutions in USA? - cause there is no US embassy there
same goes for their EU allies
you missed the whole point of my post: you can create revolution/coup/overturn wherever you want if you control global and local medias
Or you know, it could be because there is less need for revolutions when there are fair and honest elections every 4 years.
so Yanukovich election wasn't fair and honest?
and of course elections of 25th May in Ukraine will be super fair and honest, right?
Yanukovich election was fair and honest, however Yanukovich was not. During his tenure he stuffed his pockets with tax payers money and built himself a galleon in an artificial lake behind his palace. He also pumped a lot of money into his dentist son, who as a dentist (LOL) had millions of $ stuffed on bank accounts. That is why he had to go.
I can bet that 25th May election will be more fair and honest than Crimea/Donbass hoaxes. You can't be more dishonest than it was there, even your government admitted that Crimea hoax had in reality 50% of support with 30% turnout (around 15% of population) opposite to official 95% with over 80% of turnout.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
Like he said, not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied.
there is an anecdote:
- why there is no revolutions in USA? - cause there is no US embassy there
same goes for their EU allies
you missed the whole point of my post: you can create revolution/coup/overturn wherever you want if you control global and local medias
Or you know, it could be because there is less need for revolutions when there are fair and honest elections every 4 years.
so Yanukovich election wasn't fair and honest?
and of course elections of 25th May in Ukraine will be super fair and honest, right?
I can bet that 25th May election will be more fair and honest than Crimea/Donbass hoaxes. You can't be more dishonest than it was there, even your government admitted that Crimea hoax had in reality 50% of support with 30% turnout (around 15% of population) opposite to official 95% with over 80% of turnout.
i already wrote several times that president council consist mostly of opposition and USA worshipers and i'm surpized their "data" didn't show 95% of crimeans want to be with Ukraine those ppl in that council in 90s wanted and openly declared Russia must have no army, no factories and give oil and gas for free in the name of democracy etc.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
Like he said, not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied.
there is an anecdote:
- why there is no revolutions in USA? - cause there is no US embassy there
same goes for their EU allies
you missed the whole point of my post: you can create revolution/coup/overturn wherever you want if you control global and local medias
Or you know, it could be because there is less need for revolutions when there are fair and honest elections every 4 years.
so Yanukovich election wasn't fair and honest?
and of course elections of 25th May in Ukraine will be super fair and honest, right?
I can bet that 25th May election will be more fair and honest than Crimea/Donbass hoaxes. You can't be more dishonest than it was there, even your government admitted that Crimea hoax had in reality 50% of support with 30% turnout (around 15% of population) opposite to official 95% with over 80% of turnout.
i already wrote several times that president council consist mostly of opposition and USA worshipers and i'm surpized their "data" didn't show 95% of crimeans want to be with Ukraine those ppl in that council in 90s wanted and openly declared Russia must have no army, no factories and give oil and gas for free in the name of democracy etc.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
- since all media in Ukraine belongs to oligarchs and all oligarch's money are in western banks and offshores it is easy for US/EU to control them and make them do what is needed
talking about the media, can you comment on this?
On May 18 2014 22:47 Cheerio wrote:
According to Donetsk news source OstroV they caught Russian media at another piece of lies.
Here Vesti shows "civilians killed near Slavyansk", at 4:45-5:00
then they [OstroV] say it was actually a footage from the same channel but shot 18.11.2012 while ATO in a region of Russia. They referenced the video but it looks like it became unavailable after the news came up.
- since social structure is pyramid (poor ppl being majority in the bottom etc) there is always mass dissatisfaction with current situation in most countries
No shit.
Your answer seems to be to accept corrupt governments because even if you get rid of the thieves their successors will be just as bad.
I'll actually go out and say no, no shit. Sure not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied. If things were as bad as Paleman would like is to believe there would be regular protests on the streets since you know, we are actually allowed to have them.
Like he said, not everything is roses and sunshine but overall in the west the people are satisfied.
there is an anecdote:
- why there is no revolutions in USA? - cause there is no US embassy there
same goes for their EU allies
you missed the whole point of my post: you can create revolution/coup/overturn wherever you want if you control global and local medias
Or you know, it could be because there is less need for revolutions when there are fair and honest elections every 4 years.
so Yanukovich election wasn't fair and honest?
and of course elections of 25th May in Ukraine will be super fair and honest, right?
I belive other people have explained this to you more than one time but euromaidan, the so called revolution, wasnt primarily about forcing Yanukovich out of office but rather to make him keep his promise and go in the direction of europe. Yanukovich caused his own departure from power by actions we all know about by now.
Yeah, I don't think anyone can argue that the level of corruption and media control in rich western countries are anything near the level of Russia. The difference is astounding. You got to be amazingly ignorant to argue such a thing.
EPT
