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I expect you to take the drivers seat tomorrow based on that last paragraph slOosh. Big words, but not following up with actions means you're just farting into the wind.
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On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state.
you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr
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On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr
Don't forget who the main wagons were either.
Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us.
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On May 15 2013 18:00 ObviousOne wrote:Earlier in the game I posted that I had some suspicion on SNB for lack of scum hunting. He ended up tunneling Oatsmaster a lot. I still think this is a scumslip: Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:47 strongandbig wrote:
I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt
Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW! His points against Oats: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 07:13 strongandbig wrote:On May 14 2013 01:11 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. this may be the single worst post in the thread On May 14 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Also someone stole my fucking vote  . Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum.  how did this go by without any comment not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum? Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic. I really don't like the way this claim went down. On May 14 2013 01:18 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? I have no clue what it means You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want. On May 14 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow
i mean then there's this On May 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. and we return to the single worst post in the thread. so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta. -for oats wanting to kill people with anti town attitudes (i see nothing wrong with oats' opinion on this) -for oats claiming his vote was stolen (he's not hiding information from town, why expose there was a vote steal if his mafia teammate has it?) -for oats using flavor (role name given to player) to determine scumslips (okay that's crazy by oats, but crazy is not alignment indicative for oats lol, and it was an amusing angle in looking at Rayn) -for helping to get a wagon on WOS started (at least spurring the town to action, intent is to get people to take sides on a wagon, progressive move) In short, I find his case/points garbage and I want other people to take a look at him to hear if they think his points are garbage.
Okay let's talk about this stuff
- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal.
- I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic.
- It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was.
- finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear.
in short i find your opinion on my points to be garbage. qed
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On May 16 2013 03:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:00 ObviousOne wrote:Earlier in the game I posted that I had some suspicion on SNB for lack of scum hunting. He ended up tunneling Oatsmaster a lot. I still think this is a scumslip: On May 15 2013 06:47 strongandbig wrote:
I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt
Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW! His points against Oats: On May 14 2013 07:13 strongandbig wrote:On May 14 2013 01:11 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. this may be the single worst post in the thread On May 14 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Also someone stole my fucking vote . Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum. how did this go by without any comment not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum? Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic. I really don't like the way this claim went down. On May 14 2013 01:18 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? I have no clue what it means You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want. On May 14 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow
i mean then there's this On May 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. and we return to the single worst post in the thread. so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta. -for oats wanting to kill people with anti town attitudes (i see nothing wrong with oats' opinion on this) -for oats claiming his vote was stolen (he's not hiding information from town, why expose there was a vote steal if his mafia teammate has it?) -for oats using flavor (role name given to player) to determine scumslips (okay that's crazy by oats, but crazy is not alignment indicative for oats lol, and it was an amusing angle in looking at Rayn) -for helping to get a wagon on WOS started (at least spurring the town to action, intent is to get people to take sides on a wagon, progressive move) In short, I find his case/points garbage and I want other people to take a look at him to hear if they think his points are garbage. Okay let's talk about this stuff - Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal. - I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic. - It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was. - finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear. in short i find your opinion on my points to be garbage. qed
The "no u" is noted.
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On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words.
shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long?
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On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long?
He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more.
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On May 15 2013 08:51 Promethelax wrote:
SnB: why is it that you disagree with the town tell I have brought up about Oats? How much have you played with him before? The kid is a bit all over the place, though I love him he ccan be an idiot and the 180s and calling out his own scumminess are both present in his town games as well as his scum games.
didnt get to this earlier, but i assume you're talking about his reaction to DP's death - I think that given that DP was under pretty heavy pressure, we all acknowledged that it was a bit of an odd NK for scum; i could see scum posting what DP did even if it was a scum nk, since they might think it's possible to convince town it's a vig shot.
it's also still possible that it was a vig shot - scum most likely do have 2kp as you say, but it's possible that one of them was medic blocked n1, or that kita jailkept a scum and rb'd a shot, or who knows what. closed setup -> i'd rather rely on my analysis of oats's actions than his reaction to an nk.
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On May 16 2013 04:04 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long? He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more.
hey oo lets work together for a minute! what do you think about chaoser? he's been kind of a non-entity most of this game but there's still some stuff there to read - do you think all his questions are genuinely pro-town or are just contributing for the sake of it? I think many of his questions don't actually have a clear path to helping uncover someone's alignment. I also think it's kind of odd how he first attacks prome's reasoning for calling you scum, then casually says he's cool with your wagon, but never actually votes you.
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On May 16 2013 04:11 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:04 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long? He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more. hey oo lets work together for a minute! what do you think about chaoser? he's been kind of a non-entity most of this game but there's still some stuff there to read - do you think all his questions are genuinely pro-town or are just contributing for the sake of it? I think many of his questions don't actually have a clear path to helping uncover someone's alignment. I also think it's kind of odd how he first attacks prome's reasoning for calling you scum, then casually says he's cool with your wagon, but never actually votes you.
He strikes me as odd but my gut was saying he was laying low as town. He gets mentioned now and then in the game but really is under the radar. He is definitely someone I also hope to see more from today or I might attribute his lack of engagement to hiding as mafia.
Side question since I don't really know him: does he usually shine like a radiant beacon of towniness as town, if you happen to know?
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On May 16 2013 04:14 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:11 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 04:04 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long? He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more. hey oo lets work together for a minute! what do you think about chaoser? he's been kind of a non-entity most of this game but there's still some stuff there to read - do you think all his questions are genuinely pro-town or are just contributing for the sake of it? I think many of his questions don't actually have a clear path to helping uncover someone's alignment. I also think it's kind of odd how he first attacks prome's reasoning for calling you scum, then casually says he's cool with your wagon, but never actually votes you. He strikes me as odd but my gut was saying he was laying low as town. He gets mentioned now and then in the game but really is under the radar. He is definitely someone I also hope to see more from today or I might attribute his lack of engagement to hiding as mafia. Side question since I don't really know him: does he usually shine like a radiant beacon of towniness as town, if you happen to know?
yeah i agree with the bolded sentence exactly. I don't know how laying low can be seen as pro-town, and a lot of his questions seem tangential to me, but he also tells everyone not to clog up the thread.
For your question, I don't actually know much about his play, he was around when I started playing but I haven't played much with him that I remember. Better to ask VE, BH, or prp, they've all been around a lot longer than I have
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Mafia is more fun when played cooperatively! Let's see if they can answer before I get to a computer and check his last games for myself! It will be like a race! Who will win!?!
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Oops my Chezinu is peeking out today. Oh well!
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On May 16 2013 03:50 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr Don't forget who the main wagons were either. Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us.
alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum.
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Of course im equally sure that him and prome show up dead tonight, so take that with a grain of salt.
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On May 16 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:50 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr Don't forget who the main wagons were either. Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us. alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum.
ve is a really inconsistent player, sometimes he's really good and sometimes he isn't. but he's not one of those consistently really good players
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On May 16 2013 04:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:50 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr Don't forget who the main wagons were either. Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us. alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum. ve is a really inconsistent player, sometimes he's really good and sometimes he isn't. but he's not one of those consistently really good players
we can't all be blazinghand
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VE was the person I shadowed (insipiration behind the Shadowing Players thread) and I have a lot of respect for him because I've not only seen the behind the scenes VE but he was gracious enough to accept my invitation to have that experience. He shared a lot of interesting bits with me and you might say that a decent portion of my recent better play is directly attributable to roots planted by him. Keirathi was another big proponent in that regard but I haven't spent much time taking to him outside of the game. (obviously he is not in this game I am simply explaining this progressively)
I bring this up because a part of me is always double thinking, "does he do this X thing to throw me off?" because I know that while it is unlikely for him to run a gambit solely to his benefit when it comes directly to me, it is within his potential and ability to do so, however unlikely that it is within any certain game. Do I think he is angling to do that with me here? No. Would he ever try it? I'm sure at some point he might find it to his advantage to take my innate trust and use it against me, and I stay rather vigilant about it because I do think he is that good.
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I'll read back on Chaoser when Judge Judy is over.
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On May 16 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:50 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr Don't forget who the main wagons were either. Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us. alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum.
On May 16 2013 04:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
Of course im equally sure that him and prome show up dead tonight, so take that with a grain of salt.
You call him suspicious but are sure that he will show up dead tonight?
Doesn't compute
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