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On May 15 2013 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, you said in your reads that you are town because you got your vote stolen. Now you say you think the votestealer is town. How the fuck does that make you town? If i was town votestealer i would want to steal a mafia vote. If i was mafia votestealer i would probably steal my teammates vote as there are no downsides doing that on N0, it just adds confusion to town. You are not being clear here.
Vivax, WoS was mainly pushed by BH, other people pretty much sheeped him. I do not think BH is necessarily town, i think WoS is town, that's why it's possible that the lynch was scum driven imo.
OO, i understand you better. I also think both of you/Oats are not likely scum, and atm Oats looks way worse. I think it's possible that the votestealer is town and that's why you were not hammered.
I also think VE is scum. Kush looks really bad too. I'll be posting a full list of reads before the day starts.
I think VE could be scum as well, so I'm going to interrogate him until I'm satisfied one way or another.
Normally I get a gut read on him and in the past two games we've been in together my gut read on him has been incorrect so my gut to reality ratio is at 0% regarding VE. I had a town gut read on VE up through his switch to me, so I'm biased in that regard both because a) I think he's scum due to taking the inverse of my gut read and b) he voted for me so I cannot even escape that bias right now.
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@BlazingHand, talk to me about HiroPro.
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OO, i think you are right about s&b's points being bad, besides the scumslip stuff as that was him plain out twisting my words. However i remember s&b making a bad case early on in Red, so i'm not sure if this makes him scum.
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EBWOP: I meant to say Oats was twisting my words, not s&b.
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On May 15 2013 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, you said in your reads that you are town because you got your vote stolen. Now you say you think the votestealer is town. How the fuck does that make you town? If i was town votestealer i would want to steal a mafia vote. If i was mafia votestealer i would probably steal my teammates vote as there are no downsides doing that on N0, it just adds confusion to town. You are not being clear here.
Vivax, WoS was mainly pushed by BH, other people pretty much sheeped him. I do not think BH is necessarily town, i think WoS is town, that's why it's possible that the lynch was scum driven imo.
OO, i understand you better. I also think both of you/Oats are not likely scum, and atm Oats looks way worse. I think it's possible that the votestealer is town and that's why you were not hammered.
I also think VE is scum. Kush looks really bad too. I'll be posting a full list of reads before the day starts.
You are saying you don't think we are both scum together, but if one of the two of us was scum it would be Oats? I disagree that Oats is scum for now, and I don't see why he and I can't both be town. I will however, let you try to convince me about it just to see what you have to say that makes him scummy. You have my attention.
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OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of?
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On May 15 2013 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kush looks really bad too.
great insight bro
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I read your words as really weird, like I thought you meant the role 'self aware miller' rather than the flavor name. Cause NO ONE was talking about the flavour name.
Also I said that the votestealer was scum,
3 reasons why they didnt hammer OO.
1. He is scum
2. He is gonna be highly suspect d2 and may take up discussing the whole day again cause we aint got a resolution
3. Scum afk.
So I think that reasons 2 and 3 are more likely than reason 1.
OO, the reason why I wanted to switch onto you, is cause no lynch is THE WORST day 1. Like the only information we will get tomorrow that is reliable is probably flips of 2 obv town players. So all the lynch candidates still up for grabs/death.
So we lose the possible analysis of those 2 good at town players from your death, and instead this is n0 with more content basically. Not good.
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Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.
rofl..
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On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.
rofl..
huh.
INTERESTING.
Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?
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On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of?
Im waiting for more than words against words.
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On May 15 2013 16:08 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:17 slOosh wrote:
Hey Prom, why would OO as scum give out the NK explanation? Kind of an out-of-place (but relevant to conversation) defense of me before the bandwagon on me took off. It's curious. Making a note of it. Go to the filter. [re-read on hold to follow this train of thought] Later on, we get this: Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 13:00 slOosh wrote:On May 15 2013 12:49 Ace wrote:
VayneAuthority[L-8]: ObviousOne
He defends Vayne using unmentionable meta, presumably on writing style / attitude / activity since that is what meta tends to be. Yet when he flips and pushes a Vayne lynch less than an hour later On May 15 2013 08:09 ObviousOne wrote:
I don't like it and I think I'll vote to lynch you now that I've reviewed your filter. Nothing in Prplhz filter says scum to me right now. Your point about Kita interaction means precisely nothing. Saying you suck to slOosh is null. Two null points do not a scum read make. This is a staggering fabrication while you yourself remain distanced and full of "logic" but your logic is faulty and a such you are either willfully pushing a bad lynch or you are simply not aware that most players here are friendly with each other and that basic interactions are useful not only to determine alignment but to greet each other when they haven't played together in some time.
##unvote Sinani
##vote VayneAuthority No mention at all about Vayne's meta. These are all points that existed before, and there isn't actually stuff in there that is used to prove he is scum as much as it is used to prove that he is a "bad player". Therefore the original meta use is total fluff. It's like me saying, OO is scum because meta. Vote OO. I can't explain why. But I reserve the right to shirk responsibility for this stance later. I fully explained it Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 11:58 ObviousOne wrote:On May 15 2013 11:54 Blazinghand wrote:On May 15 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:
Vote for Vayne!
He literally claimed scum in his back and forth with Prome.
If you disagree say why, and then vote Hiro or me or WoS or anyone really just take a stance cause I want to have something to analyze tonight.
Stances people. Take them. Only mafia has any reason to have no strong opinions. Are you mafia? Then have no strong opinions so we can lynch you tomorrow. Okay, I'm really dumb and can't find him literally claiming scum. Do you mean he literally figuratively claimed scum, or did he actually literally claim scum? Like are you talking about (this post) or what No his rage is allegedly not part of his town play. His town play is cold. His scum play is emotional. Lashing out with ad hom fits into which category? Dunked Apparently not good enough. What can I expect when he's under the gun to get it in just a few minutes before deadline? Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 12:45 slOosh wrote:Just finished, looking good. ##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOneOats, could you explain this from town perspective? On May 15 2013 07:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne is the wrong lynch today, VE. See his other ongoing newbie game that we can't talk about and you will see why. Why ask Oats, why not ask the horse itself? Because at the time I had previously established a soft town read on Vayne. Then I re-read him and understood exactly what was being discussed about Vayne and his case against Prp and I found his case contrary to his purported town mentality and modus operandum. His back and forth with Prom just sealed the deal to me. Have I made things clear yet? Are you reading my posts in context or are you just skimming through my filter?
How does the first quote have any relevance to the rest of the response?
I must have missed / disregarded your meta post. All you did was say "his town meta is this, his scum meta is this". So all I have is to take your word on it, given that you did not provide any evidence whatsoever. Even now I don't know how true this is, nor have you taken it upon yourself to convince anyone that this is the case. I agree that Vayne was pretty emotional with his back and forth with Prom, but that means nothing unless you can prove that this is something he doesn't do as town and he does do as scum. If you can't do that, you've taken a stance without justification.
It slipped my mind Oats didn't have a vote. Obviously I'm going to try convincing people who might put their vote on you rather than you yourself.
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On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies
Vivax, what do you mean? If anything Oats was one of the more viable deflection targets should WoS be scum.
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On May 16 2013 01:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies Vivax, what do you mean? If anything Oats was one of the more viable deflection targets should WoS be scum.
Who do you want to lynch tmr sloosh? Rayn? Also current read on OO?
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I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good.
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wow sloosh is the man this game
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I'd like to know what happened to Vayne after that little tiff yesterday. For a guy I gave a townread to and who professes to be more active and give out info more freely as time goes on I expect a lot from him tomorrow.
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Just lynch someone on day 1 unless they are absolutely 100% town and they weren't. Flips are really useful, more useful than a player half the thread find suspicious.
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On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good.
You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it?
So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning?
Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state.
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Ebwop: Take my word for if if I pre-empt my actions with words.
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