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On May 02 2012 02:02 Dusen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:00 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:54 SherlockTV wrote:On May 02 2012 01:50 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:47 intrigue wrote:
while i think it's more dumb than anything else to use racist terms, i'm disappointed that we've already taken off to immediately writing to sponsors again. what the hell are you people thinking? at the very least, get another response from quantic or wait a few days.
i'm also disappointed that destiny, for all his "people skills", hasn't learned any PR from the orb situation. people seem to think every situation is one where they as a unique, proud individual is being threatened, when even a cookiecutter apology can go a long way. if not to the community, then to warden. at least nobody will be writing your sponsors, you know.
why is this community so stupid sometimes? Sorry, "PR"? You want to talk about respect? How about treating a community of people like humans, and not a mindless hive-blob of blithering idiots waiting for you to appease them with hollow, empty, meaningless phrases that everyone finds kosher? You may not like what I have to say, but I will go down in flames screaming nigger/gook/spick/faggot/queer before I ever release a pointless cookie-cutter apology. I'm honestly disgusted and disappointed that you, as a human being, find meaning in these bullshit PR moves that other people make. I'm tired of public figures that stand for nothing, and instead merely try to act as a mirror, reflecting back onto other people whatever it is they want to see. I'm disgusted and disappointed in you as a human being that you have no empathy for the people that your racial and hateful slurs affect. How do you not know that just because you think its okay doesn't mean everyone else does? This isn't even about religion or free speech. Its about using words that you know hurt people just because you think they shouldn't hurt people. News to you, just because you think people should act a certain way doesn't mean they do. I'm going to stop responding to thoughtless post like this until you respond to my questions earlier. Tell me which words a person should/shouldn't be allowed to say, and then tell me why some groups of people are protected while others aren't. Why do you have to say any of those words?
They're in the dictionary like all the other words he uses.
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On May 02 2012 02:09 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:07 SC2Phoenix wrote:
"Oh no, someone said something disrespectful over the internet again! Lets all run to Razer and email them about it"
God this community is fucking stupid at times. There isn't even a point in making a logical post about the issue with the amount of people who come here just to flame destiny. At times? I'm trying to think of an instance in the last six months when I've seen a decent post on this fucking forum.
Perhaps you ought to look for fulfillment elsewhere, this forum seems to bother you quite a bit.
Oh to take offense, how empowering an action.
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On May 02 2012 02:05 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:01 ScienceRob wrote:@ Destiny: Since when has publicly endorsing certain words served to further racism? I recommend a book: The rise and fall of the third Reich. The public endorsment of racial slurs has in fact caused the deaths of many millions(beyond the Nazi), in fact it is hard to not be aware of it. This just in, a member of the Sc2 community has pinpointed the singular cause of the Holocaust, and it was racial slurs. More at 11.
It is not fair to so glibly dismiss his point. He did not claim that endorsement of racist language was the singular cause of the Holocaust. His post merely points out that public endorsement of racial slurs CAN contribute to negative cultural effects.
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On May 02 2012 02:03 parkjimo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:01 Acronysis wrote:On May 02 2012 01:59 parkjimo wrote:
I emailed Razer about Destiny and Quantic Gaming because asking Quantic Gaming to do anything will not accomplish anything.
It is clear that the team only picked up Destiny because of his abrasive and terrible behavior. His dark and edgy ways are what Quantic Gaming actually like about him, so it is useless to expect them to do anything. As long as he is bringing attention to himself and his team, he is good no matter what.
The only way to actually get done is to email sponsors and concern them about his behavior. Sorry if this seems "extreme", but it is the only choice. Is it really the only choice? How about fucking waiting a little to see if anything comes of this - why not at least give Quantic a chance? What if they do come out and do somthing about it, then you just e-mailed shit to the sponsors and hurt quantic even further. Wait a little - wait things out. Don't do something stupid just because you are not patient enough to see where things go. Quantic has had chances in the past to discipline him for his terrible behavior. It is not the first time that Destiny has acted badly towards people. He calls people "faggots" or "niggers" or "gooks" or anything else he thinks is provocative enough to get attention. Quantic has never once done anything about it. In fact, they seemingly encourage it.
Did you email them about it in the past? The majority of people causing shit now probably have made no effort to inform Quantic of their displeasure in the past, why not give them the opportunity now?
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There is so much offensive language in the music on Jinro's stream, but no one is bitching about that??? Hmm I see some irony here......
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On May 02 2012 01:55 intrigue wrote:
hey, i'm a starcraft player, i understand all the social issues in the world. i think completely expressing myself however i want is fine because people who are offended are mindless pussies.
And people who are offended are offended for the sake of being offended etc etc. I mean I can't even see him give a proper explanation for his use of slurs, it's always Oh how about using snipe or nuked or grammar nazi. Oh am I catering to the LGBT community or the black community etc etc. You're catering to the Starcraft 2 community.
I don't see why he doesn't just want to save some time, effort, and maybe even gain a couple of viewers by just avoiding slurs online, I mean it's really not that difficult, everyone's acting as if it's commonplace or something, but when I pop into streams I don't recall a lot, if any, slurring people so much so that he's remembered for it. He's said it before, he doesn't go around being a dick and spouting racial slurs at people, so is it really that difficult, or necessary to do so online?
I'm not a dick even though it seems so online. Just ask anyone who's met me before, I'm a nice guy is a pretty flawed argument, I know nice people who conduct themselves like dicks online, defacing and 'trolling' memorial pages on facebook, because it's the internet and it doesn't matter.
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On May 02 2012 02:01 ScienceRob wrote:@ Destiny: I recommend a book: The rise and fall of the third Reich. The public endorsment of racial slurs has in fact caused the deaths of many millions(beyond the Nazi), in fact it is hard to not be aware of it.
Ah, damn. If they would have just not used racial slurs, concentration camps would have never existed!
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On May 02 2012 02:09 Thylacine wrote:
Normal ladder rage. Why the fuck do you cry about it? Theres always been BM in ladder and there always will be, and they 90% of the time don't actually mean what they say. It's just an outlet of their frustration, Destiny is definetly not a racist....
He not only bms in ladder
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On May 02 2012 01:58 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:52 zerglingrodeo wrote:On May 02 2012 01:43 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:Sigh, I promised myself I wouldn't dive into this thread, but I can't resist... On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. "Ignorant to other people's feelings"? Maybe if I spammed him with messages after the game, or added him and told my stream to harass and stalk him. Maybe if I messaged him on Skype or sent him e-mails. Calling someone a nigger/faggot/gook/cheese/piece of shit/queer/mother fucker/step-mother fucker etc...at the end of a game before leaving? You honestly think that people who rage at the end of games lack empathy? You should be a psychiatrist! If I knew what WHAT words meant to WHAT people? Lots of people find different words offensive. List of possible offensive words - faggot - offensive to the gay community nigger - offensive to the black community gook - offensive to asians(?) spic - offensive to hispanics retarded - offensive to mentally challenged rape - offensive to rape victims snipe - offensive to war veterans nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! I love this at the end..."His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality." Because nothing says individuality like taking offense to a simple word spoken out of context that at one point in time was used to insult a collective group of individuals. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Eh, I could be humble here, but nah, fuck that. I'm pretty damned good with people. Ask anyone who sees me at any MLG, I'll stop and sign anything or take a picture with anyone, regardless of the length of the line. People that you guys hold to much higher "friendly" standards, though, such as Day9, Huk, Nony, and others? They SPLIT the second they think a crowd is gathering and they do their best to stay away from any places where they could be mobbed. So how do you judge whether someone is "good with people"? Is it based on the facade they put up when they know they're under the public eye? Or is it based on how they actually interact with other people? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. Ah, my bad. I was unaware of the several hundred year old stream viewers I have. I'll try to cater to that audience more. Seriously, though? You want me to cater to an audience of people that define themselves based on some insulting words that someone said about their ancestors hundreds of years ago? If we played that game, there are tons of other words we should cut out of our dictionary (for just black people, I can think of the word "boy", "negro", and "colored", and I'm sure there are many more for many other groups of people). On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. Ah, now here, I'm going to have to call you a brainless fucking piece of shit. I can't even believe you would have the audacity to fucking call me out on something like that. You have absolutely no fucking idea what I have or haven't experienced in my past. A lot of the immature and childish bullshit that you call "hardship" (OH NO SOMEONE SAID NIGGER, OH GOD HE SAID FAGGOT, OH NO HE MADE FUN OF MY PANTS) PALES in comparison to a lot of the shit I've had to deal with in my life. Maybe the difference in perspective is one of the reasons why I'm able to look past absolutely pointless bullshit like this and someone like you turns it into the focal point of a huge discussion. You want my child to get bullied in high school? Seriously, I would dedicate all 130 lbs of my tiny frame into the beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in person wishing that on my son. If you think the only way to learn respect about someone else is to suffer, then you're sadly misguided, and incredibly stupid. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. Honestly, this should have been the only thing you wrote in your post. I agree 100% with this. If you don't like the things I say or the way I act, don't watch my stream. Less people watching me = less money for me, meaning I either A) have to change the way I behave, or B) fade away from the public eye. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Negative impact on the community? I have the most viewer hours of any current SC2 streamer. You don't think that counts for anything? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Ah, that's why so many people watch me. I understand now. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. ITT: someone wishing that someone else's child gets bullied in high school, then calling that person ignorant because he uses bad words on the internet. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Educational...I lol'd. Here's a novel idea Destiny...don't say any of them! Is your vocabulary so small that that really cripples your ability to communicate? Or even communicate cleverly? Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. You didn't respond to anything I said. Do you think you sound intelligent because you're requesting that I arbitrarily edit out certain words from my vocabulary because some groups of people may find those words offensive?My vocabulary is larger than most. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the claim that everyone that swears is stupid, or at least has a small vocabulary? I think I communicate cleverly plenty enough. I'm a relatively creative person, whether I'm making an analogy or insulting someone or talking dirty to your mother over the phone. I can get across most messages I have pretty clearly. Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Ah. So white people are never A) poor, B) bullied, C) disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged? You think every single white person in the world lives a perfect life? Sorry, bro, but that's pretty fucking racist. And bigoted. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. I would leave my time and abandon any sponsorships before turning myself into a politically correct zombie who spews meaningless bullshit because people are too fucking weak to handle a few swear words. There is a difference between being a 'politically correct zombie' and not condoning public use of racial slurs. The move to degrade 'political correctness' has been a go-to for right-wing nutjobs for a long time, and it does not help in the current debate. What is at issue is whether it is okay for public figures to use racial slurs. Forget whether it 'offends' people for a moment, and consider that publicly endorsing this language contributes to a culture of marginalization of racial minorities. If this is the case (which some believe), then it would be better to not endorse use of this language. Why wouldn't I condone public use of racial slurs? It has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with racism. People can use racial slurs without being racist.
Not in an attempt to insult or demean another person they can't. Either you think vietnamese are just people, or you think they're subhuman 'gooks' to be shot without remorse. The word carries the baggage with it, regardless of how unthinkingly you used it. That you also resorted to homophobia is fairly telling as well.
Quite frankly, either E-sports is totally opposed to bigotry and hate, or it's just another cesspool of 'xbox-live kids'. I don't have any problem with people emailing Razer and expressing dismay that their company is being associated with such things, that's a sensible position. There are consequences from that to be sure, some of which may be widespread for the whole of E-sports unfortunately. But frankly that's the way it has to be. Hate within our community taints everyone, the damage has been done already. Cleaning it up, and making it clear that some behaviors are never acceptable, without exception, is the only way forward.
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On May 02 2012 02:13 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:03 parkjimo wrote:On May 02 2012 02:01 Acronysis wrote:On May 02 2012 01:59 parkjimo wrote:
I emailed Razer about Destiny and Quantic Gaming because asking Quantic Gaming to do anything will not accomplish anything.
It is clear that the team only picked up Destiny because of his abrasive and terrible behavior. His dark and edgy ways are what Quantic Gaming actually like about him, so it is useless to expect them to do anything. As long as he is bringing attention to himself and his team, he is good no matter what.
The only way to actually get done is to email sponsors and concern them about his behavior. Sorry if this seems "extreme", but it is the only choice. Is it really the only choice? How about fucking waiting a little to see if anything comes of this - why not at least give Quantic a chance? What if they do come out and do somthing about it, then you just e-mailed shit to the sponsors and hurt quantic even further. Wait a little - wait things out. Don't do something stupid just because you are not patient enough to see where things go. Quantic has had chances in the past to discipline him for his terrible behavior. It is not the first time that Destiny has acted badly towards people. He calls people "faggots" or "niggers" or "gooks" or anything else he thinks is provocative enough to get attention. Quantic has never once done anything about it. In fact, they seemingly encourage it. Did you email them about it in the past? The majority of people causing shit now probably have made no effort to inform Quantic of their displeasure in the past, why not give them the opportunity now?
Yes, as I said I have emailed Quantic about Destiny's bad behavior in the past and nothing has come out of it. As I have said before in this thread, Quantic will not do anything about it because they picked up Destiny to be like the way he is. Any attention he brings in is what they want. They don't care.
In cases like these, you HAVE to contact the sponsors. It's a shame but it's a must.
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On May 02 2012 02:08 shrinkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote:
mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible.
mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that.
Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people.
Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors.
dear incontrol, i can understand your point, because you're a person who has to directly deal with everything our mails to razer achieve. but i can't understand how you expect us to wait weeks for quantic gaming to respond in this short-lived times. if they were known for taking a stand against unaccepable behaviour i could've waited for a response, but they already gave a subliminal statement when they signed a person like destiny. "he is well known for his behaviour on stream, this is not new, we don't care as long as people don't care loud enough" neither did i ever read a statement from one of the other players on quantic that they are not ok with destiny's behaviour. so the team and any player can be accountable for the outcome of this shitstorm. supporting evil behaviour by not acting against it or just being silent is just as bad as the behaviour itself. the good thing about messaging razor directly is that they are sponsoring so many teams. they are in a position to enforce professional behaviour from many more players than a single pro-team could ever do.
if my email to razer is playing a tiny part in forcing teams to have higher recruitment standards or leads to a moral code for razer sponsored teams i can be proud.and frankly if we as a community don't take a firm stand against any haters of gays/women/ethnic groups we don't deserve to have sponsored teams.
Oh, you naive forum-goer. Do you really think Razer really cares about eSports that much, so that they are willing to act like a Kespa and enforce professionalism? No, they are sponsoring it to promote their products, and when you send them angry emails they pull out en masse. And so not just Quantic gets hurt, every team that Razer supports, Team Liquid, Slayers, etc all lose funding.
This community has way too many people who know way too little about how the real world works, yet are way to eager to act without thinking and end up messing up a scene built through years of hard work and labor by a few.
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On May 02 2012 02:12 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media! Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit? How fucking mad are you right now, bro?
lol way to devolve into typical ladder BM
stay classy
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On May 02 2012 02:12 paintfive wrote:Not the first time, and won't be the last time. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WIvCp.jpg)
He's making fun of the whole Orb situation in that photo. Oddly enough I think that caused more people to say nigger on ladder.
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On May 02 2012 02:05 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:59 Zambrah wrote:
Well, I emailed Razer.
But to try and represent the people who don't share the viewpoint that Destiny needs to be flayed and burned at the stake. Good job. When Razer pulls or reduces its sponsorship of all SC2, and teams like Liquid have to cut player salaries and stop sending players to tournaments because they don't have the funding anymore, you can thank yourself and others like you. So easily outraged, and so eager to take action without thinking, just so you can feel important and self-righteous.
??? I emailed them to represent the people that DON'T think that Destiny needs to be ruined, you know, to try and go towards keeping Quantic, Destiny, and Razer from dividing in some way, shape or form.
Be more careful when you read something.
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is there a thread on reddit about this? I cant find one on the front page and would like to get more into this
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This thread makes me sad, how are we supposed to grow as a community when people react so immaturely and hastily over these issues?? The world isn't full of political correctness and fluffy bunnies, if everyone was fired for making a remark that someone, somewhere might find offense ... well then we would have a problem.
Destiny has explained and defended his actions many times in the past and has made it abundantly clear to the community that this is his personality whether it is accepted or not. Destiny doesn’t force anyone to watch his stream or adhere to his beliefs, all he does is be himself, and this has been instrumental in building this community.
So if you are offended by destiny's actions, then that's your choice, but instead of trying to get him fired or punished by his team/sponsors (running to mummy for help), why not just not watch his stream?? Go and PM White-Ra and tell him what a nice person he is. Don’t bring negativity into the community, it doesn’t help anyone...
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On May 01 2012 22:35 tgun wrote:
I love Destiny, but the people supporting him on his racism here, some of which are the same ones that crucified orb over his racist remarks, sicken me. Destiny is a damn good bloke when it comes down to it, but how can you brush aside this sort of behaviour so easily? Something needs to be done, even if it's just quantic management saying "ease the fuck up".
Sometimes this community bewilders me...
Does that include you saying that terran is a good race and leaving without a gg vs quantic theognis in EGMC?
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On May 02 2012 02:11 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:09 ThomasHobbes wrote:On May 02 2012 01:59 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:43 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:Sigh, I promised myself I wouldn't dive into this thread, but I can't resist... On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. "Ignorant to other people's feelings"? Maybe if I spammed him with messages after the game, or added him and told my stream to harass and stalk him. Maybe if I messaged him on Skype or sent him e-mails. Calling someone a nigger/faggot/gook/cheese/piece of shit/queer/mother fucker/step-mother fucker etc...at the end of a game before leaving? You honestly think that people who rage at the end of games lack empathy? You should be a psychiatrist! If I knew what WHAT words meant to WHAT people? Lots of people find different words offensive. List of possible offensive words - faggot - offensive to the gay community nigger - offensive to the black community gook - offensive to asians(?) spic - offensive to hispanics retarded - offensive to mentally challenged rape - offensive to rape victims snipe - offensive to war veterans nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! I love this at the end..."His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality." Because nothing says individuality like taking offense to a simple word spoken out of context that at one point in time was used to insult a collective group of individuals. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Eh, I could be humble here, but nah, fuck that. I'm pretty damned good with people. Ask anyone who sees me at any MLG, I'll stop and sign anything or take a picture with anyone, regardless of the length of the line. People that you guys hold to much higher "friendly" standards, though, such as Day9, Huk, Nony, and others? They SPLIT the second they think a crowd is gathering and they do their best to stay away from any places where they could be mobbed. So how do you judge whether someone is "good with people"? Is it based on the facade they put up when they know they're under the public eye? Or is it based on how they actually interact with other people? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. Ah, my bad. I was unaware of the several hundred year old stream viewers I have. I'll try to cater to that audience more. Seriously, though? You want me to cater to an audience of people that define themselves based on some insulting words that someone said about their ancestors hundreds of years ago? If we played that game, there are tons of other words we should cut out of our dictionary (for just black people, I can think of the word "boy", "negro", and "colored", and I'm sure there are many more for many other groups of people). On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. Ah, now here, I'm going to have to call you a brainless fucking piece of shit. I can't even believe you would have the audacity to fucking call me out on something like that. You have absolutely no fucking idea what I have or haven't experienced in my past. A lot of the immature and childish bullshit that you call "hardship" (OH NO SOMEONE SAID NIGGER, OH GOD HE SAID FAGGOT, OH NO HE MADE FUN OF MY PANTS) PALES in comparison to a lot of the shit I've had to deal with in my life. Maybe the difference in perspective is one of the reasons why I'm able to look past absolutely pointless bullshit like this and someone like you turns it into the focal point of a huge discussion. You want my child to get bullied in high school? Seriously, I would dedicate all 130 lbs of my tiny frame into the beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in person wishing that on my son. If you think the only way to learn respect about someone else is to suffer, then you're sadly misguided, and incredibly stupid. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. Honestly, this should have been the only thing you wrote in your post. I agree 100% with this. If you don't like the things I say or the way I act, don't watch my stream. Less people watching me = less money for me, meaning I either A) have to change the way I behave, or B) fade away from the public eye. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Negative impact on the community? I have the most viewer hours of any current SC2 streamer. You don't think that counts for anything? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Ah, that's why so many people watch me. I understand now. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. ITT: someone wishing that someone else's child gets bullied in high school, then calling that person ignorant because he uses bad words on the internet. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Educational...I lol'd. Here's a novel idea Destiny...don't say any of them! Is your vocabulary so small that that really cripples your ability to communicate? Or even communicate cleverly? Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. You didn't respond to anything I said. Do you think you sound intelligent because you're requesting that I arbitrarily edit out certain words from my vocabulary because some groups of people may find those words offensive?My vocabulary is larger than most. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the claim that everyone that swears is stupid, or at least has a small vocabulary? I think I communicate cleverly plenty enough. I'm a relatively creative person, whether I'm making an analogy or insulting someone or talking dirty to your mother over the phone. I can get across most messages I have pretty clearly. Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Ah. So white people are never A) poor, B) bullied, C) disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged? You think every single white person in the world lives a perfect life? Sorry, bro, but that's pretty fucking racist. And bigoted. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. I would leave my time and abandon any sponsorships before turning myself into a politically correct zombie who spews meaningless bullshit because people are too fucking weak to handle a few swear words. Your entire argument boils down to "I should be able to say offensive things that have no place in polite society." You aren't saying anything more intelligent than the 12 year olds who think they're being edgy and hardcore on xbox live by spouting that nonsense. There's a huge difference between swearing and slurring. And no, you've never been marginalized for being white. Asians have been marginalized for being asian. Homosexuals have been marginalized for being homosexual. If you want to pretend like you're some valiant defender of free speech, go right ahead. The Starcraft higher ups have already made it pretty clear they don't like this stuff coming from their players or casters. Maybe the LoL community will have a home for you. Asians are not really a marginalized minority within our society. They are comparable if not more successful than whites on most of the relevant criteria; college attendance, job performance, the like. The mere fact that we stereotype Asians as "smart" or "good at math" is pretty indicative of this. If you look at the community's perception of Koreans in general, this is pretty clear. Many individuals think Koreans are better either just innately or because their culture is innately superior. Yeah, that could be true, but it's often characterized as racist when applied to Western (read: white) cultures. I'm sorry that you get offended easily, but that's you, I don't really care about slurs on my Irish ethnicity, although it's only been a few decades since we've fit in mainstream "white" society, and barring the sole exception of the Kennedy family, are generally absent from the top echelons of American society. Slurs on African Americans receive a more serious response in American society because of the huge impact white-black race relations has had on this country. For better or worse, that's a fact, and orb paid for that mistake. Destiny insulted some random guy on a video game in which said ethnicity is widely regarded as superior. I don't see anything coming of this. Maybe you forgot about the concentration camps we had for the Japanese back in WWII? Or maybe you're unfamiliar with the political ads that blatantly demonize the Chinese?
Yes, the United States is concerned about a powerful China, as are our allies in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Myanmar.
I mean, what? How does China's political rise have anything at all to do with race, especially when we're closer than ever with our Asians allies in the aforementioned nations?
Sure, we did terrible things once upon a time to the Japanese during a very critical moment in our nations history, and we paid for it. Unlike other cases of discrimination, we apologized as a nation and gave monetary recompense.for our actions.
Neither of your points, for the record, addresses the use of the slur "gook", which comes from the Korean word for Korean "hangook" and is an offensive slurs against Koreans, not Asians at large.
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On May 02 2012 02:16 Loomies wrote:
is there a thread on reddit about this? I cant find one on the front page and would like to get more into this
Why would you EVER go to reddit for anything especially to "get more into something".
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On May 02 2012 02:12 paintfive wrote:Not the first time, and won't be the last time.
LOL someone missed the reference OOPS
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