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Grend
1600 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:26 Nimic wrote: Yes, so let's hide every bad quality of the community from them. That couldn't possibly backfire. Or we handle it ourselves without involving the sponsors by contacting teams and organizations. Where`s the backfire in doing that? | ||
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:51 chatuka wrote: but again, are you a professional gamer. Professional gamers can't get away with the same kind of stuff an ordinary gamer can get away with. DO you have responsibilities to your Team, Players and Sponsors? I'm certainly not a pro gamer, but I do feel badly anytime I rage and use inappropriate language, as I should. I don't rage too often, but even one time is too many. If I acted that way in my IRL profession (ESPECIALLY with what I do), I would be out of a job in rather short order. | ||
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Xandaren
United States93 Posts
Also when you make a post like this, expect 90% of the responses to be from his fan boys redirecting anger at the OP. So I don't really understand why you'd post here and not contact Quantic if you had a legitimate concern with his behavior or attitude. | ||
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Kamakiri
Sweden312 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:50 Klondikebar wrote: The opinion that someone is inferior by virtue of their race or sexual orientation is not an opinion we need to respect. And yes, if you're using race or sexual orientation as an insult that by definition means you think they are inferior...otherwise those words wouldn't be insults. You don't have to respect it, but I/we do not have to respect your opinion that his opinion shouldn't be respected. Your opinion is not better/worth more than his, sorry | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:46 crumunch wrote: It really is depressing to see so many people defending Destiny in this thread. How somebody can throw around racial slurs like that while claiming to be ignorant of the hateful meaning behind them is beyond me. Do you get deeply hurt, saddened, and offended when Cartman makes anti-semetic remarks in an episode of South Park? | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
i really don't know why people watch his stream he is BMing all the time and his level of play is not even worth comparing to other streamers i srsly don't get why he has so many fanboys  | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:47 Jojo131 wrote: Sounds incredibly sheep/bandwagony if you ask me. If you truly had a problem with Destiny before this, you would/should have already acted on it. Human beings are very bandwagony. This can be seen throughout human history with much more important moral issues than this. You can say they should have acted previously, but in my book the key is they eventually do act. It is way less important when. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
This community is hilarious to watch. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:50 Falcor wrote: Really this is destiny. He's said in the past he"s not going to change what he says because alot of people watch him. It's part of the reason him and col parted ways. Quantic knew he says naughty words when they signed him. He makes more money from stream then the contract he signed. If he gets removed he won't care most likely. I doubt he's going to be removed because he said "don't make any n***** mistakes" to his teammates during the mono battles. Quantic doesn't care. So because 1 guy makes a post everyone all of a sudden is offended by destiny? interesting, so destiny is like the lone ranger. If he wants to go it alone, all the best to Destiny. Just don't expect Quantic or any other team wanting to sign him to a long term deal. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:51 chatuka wrote: but again, are you a professional gamer. Professional gamers can't get away with the same kind of stuff an ordinary gamer can get away with. DO you have responsibilities to your Team, Players and Sponsors? I am sorry, but if you are upfront before you are signed that you won't change, you don't have a responsibility to change. Quantic knew exactly who they signed. He wasn't unknown. He was signed for his personality and following. | ||
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
Well, was it streamed or not? I think it makes a difference - a very small one, mind you - it would be nice to get the facts straight. Was it being streamed in this case? I have no idea. But like I said, he used the exact same words in a LoL game to the other team and that game WAS being streamed with a little over 4k people watching. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
Grow up? Right back at you. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:52 Chocobo wrote: Do you get deeply hurt, saddened, and offended when Cartman makes anti-semetic remarks in an episode of South Park? obviously he does. and you don't | ||
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ScienceRob
United States382 Posts
Its this sort of immaturity that makes e-sports less respectable. Good job on holding us back folks. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:25 Grend wrote: How about they stop sponsoring new people since they view the risks of negative backlash being to high for it to be worth it? Exactly, anyone who actually does this is being insanely selfish in letting their views damage the scene which the rest of us love so much. It's lucky that I am not a TL mod because I would seriously not hesitate to remove anyone from the community who knowingly brings harm to it. | ||
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Auren
United States82 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:43 Karak wrote: The point of the post is that there was a public outcry which motivated the league to action in levying a fine on the hefty side of their scale. The base salary of the player in question is irrelevant to whether or not the league took action that was more heavy-handed than fines for other, similar actions in the past. It was used to establish that this is clearly something that runs afoul of the contemporary public and accrues punishment, whether or not you are successful. Do you think if Kobe decried the public criticism and kept openly using the word "fag" and other racial slurs in competitive play, things would be going so well for him right now? Consider this was a 100k fine for a slight slip up in the heat of the moment. Now extrapolate that to a consistent and intentional application of racial slurs and other commonly accepted offensive terms. I do not understand why the phrase "irrelevant strawman" somehow detracted from my point. It's a rather common term of art? I don't get it. Eh... I think rather than my opinion being an "irrelevant strawman" we simply disagree. From my perspective 100k wasn't a meaningful amount of money when I compare it to his level of wealth. I also think kobe is not a complete idiot and either realized he shouldn't continue to do things like that or the team's PR guys stepped in and explained to him very clearly that he could not continue to do that because future repurcussions would likely be much worse. And by worse I don't mean the league fining him but rather the fans/potential sponsorship money lost would become a noticable problem. I highly doubt the 100k fine itself mattered to him at all. But I suppose this is completely off-topic to the destiny situation so idk if we should continue @_@ Also, personal anecdote of course, but teamliquid is the only place I've ever heard the term "strawman" actively used. Actually, prior to coming here I had never heard it before. I don't know if it's /that/ commonly used. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:52 Kamakiri wrote: You don't have to respect it, but I/we do not have to respect your opinion that his opinion shouldn't be respected. Your opinion is not better/worth more than his, sorry Yes it is. I have a rational argument for why those slurs should not be used. His is simply bigotry. Freedom of Speech doesn't give a platform to hatred anymore than it does a loon who insists that Santa is real. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
use racial slur in a slightest hint in real world and see how far you get in your career | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:53 aebriol wrote: I am sorry, but if you are upfront before you are signed that you won't change, you don't have a responsibility to change. Quantic knew exactly who they signed. He wasn't unknown. He was signed for his personality and following. interesting. does the contract between Destiny and Quantic have a COC a code of conduct clause? If so, then Destiny is in direct violation of it and can be terminated or disiplined at any moments notice. | ||
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Shallot
United States58 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:39 Destiny wrote: The discussion's been had many times before. People who fall to one side will continue to believe that post-discussion, as will people on the otherside. It's an argument about a meaningless topic where people's opinions will never be changed. That's the thing, Steven, it isn't a meaningless topic to a sizable portion of this community. You, being white, probably don't realize how hurtful it is being the target of malicious racism on a regular basis. Do me a favor and don't speak for anyone else when you have nothing productive to say. You are simply spreading hate, and it's appalling to me that TL still features you and your team does nothing about your rampant use of racial and sexual bigotry. Just because you have become so desensitized to the use of "faggot" and racial slurs does not mean that they are acceptable in any fashion. | ||
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