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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:40 Jojo131 wrote: So like, do people actually want Destiny fired because of this? No. He's a professional player that's been on Quantic for a while so I expect him to be treated like IdrA. A stern warning from the CEO of Quantic that says "get your shit together or pack your bags." | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:07 IPA wrote: Destiny is low-minded kid, a couple steps above a child. This isn't going to change his behavior, nor is a slap on the wrist from QxG. He is who he is. I agree. So why are you so offended by what he says? What does it matter to you what a person like this says or does? In my eyes it doesn't make sense for you to make such a big deal out if it. Why do you place so much importance on the words of Destiny, and act like these are great war crimes that must be answered for? | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:38 xrapture wrote: Just write to Quantic, and if that doesn't work and it's obvious Quantic supports this type of behavior simply for the publicity I guess we'll have to write to the sponsors. There's a reason NO professional sport or outlet allows the use of homophobic and racist slurs. yes, write to sponsors. Let's punish the whole team for your viewpoint. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:41 ETisME wrote: The jeremy lin case is because the guy knew he is asian and made the "joke" about him. maybe.. The chink in the Armour is always a popular cliche. so no, i don't think the writer was intentionally trying to insult him. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:40 Jojo131 wrote: So like, do people actually want Destiny fired because of this? Fired? I don't even know who is employer is, based on Quantics sponsorship there's no way he's drawing a salary from that. I just don't want him to be a featured streamer. This website has far better choices for people to promote as representatives of the community. | ||
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baba1
Canada355 Posts
Destiny called someone a gook !!! Universe is collapsing  Srsly. Grow the fuck up. User was warned for this post | ||
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Kamakiri
Sweden312 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:42 dNa wrote: if this had happened to me (some guy doing a 1 base all in against me, then throwing an offensive GG into my face), i'd be furious as well, i would've called you a "wannabe korean" and a bunch of swearwords. Honestly i can totally see the OP win this game, smiling, typing in the offensive korean GG and then smile even wider when he gets to brag on TL about it ... it's such a flamebait, that i seriously wonder how the hell there is a discussion about this? are you a professional gamer though? if not then you have no say in the matter | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote: for Kobe $100K fine is about the equivalent of a $30 parking ticket for an average income earner. +1 though for using cool sounding phrases like "irrelevent strawman" though..wp! The point of the post is that there was a public outcry which motivated the league to action in levying a fine on the hefty side of their scale. The base salary of the player in question is irrelevant to whether or not the league took action that was more heavy-handed than fines for other, similar actions in the past. It was used to establish that this is clearly something that runs afoul of the contemporary public and accrues punishment, whether or not you are successful. Do you think if Kobe decried the public criticism and kept openly using the word "fag" and other racial slurs in competitive play, things would be going so well for him right now? Consider this was a 100k fine for a slight slip up in the heat of the moment. Now extrapolate that to a consistent and intentional application of racial slurs and other commonly accepted offensive terms. I do not understand why the phrase "irrelevant strawman" somehow detracted from my point. It's a rather common term of art? I don't get it. | ||
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Auren
United States82 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:37 Karak wrote: This is an irrelevant strawman. A 100k fine is a hefty penalty, even for a wealthy person, and is the league showing how serious the incident was. There were a lot of human and civil rights groups who were furious over the incident. I fail to see how it's an irrelevent strawman that a 100k fine means very little to someone of kobe's financial status. Care to explain? 100k would be a crushing amount of money for someone like me but to someone like kobe? He may as well have been slapped on the wrist. 100k just looks like a big number to the average person. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:42 chatuka wrote: maybe.. The chink in the Armour is always a popular cliche. so no, i don't think the writer was intentionally trying to insult him. It's a popular cliche that was chosen because the player they were talking about was Asian. Which is why that employee was fired | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:43 baba1 wrote: Oh noooo !!! Destiny called someone a gook !!! Universe is collapsing Srsly. Grow the fuck up. Congratulations, you're the 1000th person to make that exact same meaningless comment! | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:43 partisan wrote: Fired? I don't even know who is employer is, based on Quantics sponsorship there's no way he's drawing a salary from that. I just don't want him to be a featured streamer. This website has far better choices for people to promote as representatives of the community. what is Destiny's salary from Quantic? i just wanna know | ||
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SherlockTV
Canada14 Posts
On May 01 2012 22:23 how wrote: My thoughts exactly. There is a SotG he is on where he talks about it a lot with iNcontroL and them, don't remember exactly which episode (not exactly easy to go through those sometimes.) But the jist of what he said is that he never asked to be a community figure and never tries to be one. When you are on his stream, he wants to be himself (and says that is what people should expect.) Orb is a caster who is TRYING to be a community figure. A caster should never be allowed to get away with that kind of stuff. A player on the other hand, you can be much more lenient towards. They are there to play the game, nothing else. I still think we were all to harsh on him (mainly because he had already changed away from that behavior.) So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Oh and P.S. I'll be looking at "http://www.quanticgaming.com/about" - see "Our Philosophy" "In many ways, we like to think of ourselves as “the people’s team” of competitive gaming. We firmly believe that it’s the fans that make this industry a reality; without them, we’d be nothing. We think it’s important to never forget that fact. Quantic strives to not only deliver an engaging experience to the fans, but to also deliver to them the brands of our partners. In many ways, we’re not just a pro-gaming team, but also a brand representation and new media organization, engineered to deliver marketing messages to the masses through our captivating players and personalities." and e-mailing "http://www.razerzone.com/" to tell them that they are supporting a group that tolerates this type of behaviour. I'm certain that if enough of us take action its only a matter of time before Razer drops Quantic or Quantic drops Destiny. He really doesn't deserve to get paid to call people racial slurs. - please use "http://www.razersupport.com/index.php" to submit a ticket. ![[image loading]](http://s17.postimage.org/ef7o6ih6l/Razerzone.png) | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:40 Mohdoo wrote: This is actually a perfect example of why its confusing for Destiny to still be a featured streamer. Banned in a heart beat from the forums, yet put on a pedestal and given free advertising. What is TL's stance? There are clearly conflicting views at play here. TL's stance is that they shouldn't be policing the behaviour of someone outside what they post on TL. Destiny's been banned umpteen times because he brought his juvenile bullshit into his TL posts, but (as with orb) it's his team's job to police how he acts on stream. | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:40 MegaFonzie wrote: How many of you have actually taken this issue up with Quantic before today. Everyone knows that this is how Destiny acts, and I would be incredibly surprised if this thread taught anyone anything they didn't already know. Yet why is it that just now, in the past 2 hours, there is a huge rally against Destiny, against Quantic, and (to a lesser extent) TL. I strongly, strongly doubt that many if any of you have sought an explanation from QxG prior to this thread being opened. Yet here we are, with so many people up in arms to get him defeatured, kicked off his team, or pressure Quantic's sponsors into forcing them into action. If this stuff is so offensive to you, then why are you only acting now. You should've been on Quantic's case months ago. I don't support Destiny in this case, but these are just my 2 cents. This is how "campaigns" work. People acting solely feel their action is insignificant, but when someone organizes a little bit people feel more power being with a group and act. This is true about a lot of movements in general. | ||
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:44 Auren wrote: I fail to see how it's an irrelevent strawman that a 100k fine means very little to someone of kobe's financial status. Care to explain? 100k would be a crushing amount of money for someone like me but to someone like kobe? He may as well have been slapped on the wrist. 100k just looks like a big number to the average person. Please see my post above. To put it more concisely: I was simply establishing that this behavior is not considered acceptable, even by the most successful pro athletes. Kobe's slip up in the heat of the moment, however, is much different than a concerted and defended effort to continually use racial slurs despite public criticism and the perceived extreme offensive nature of the words. | ||
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crumunch
United States54 Posts
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