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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:20 slytown wrote: I'm losing respect for Coach Lee. Also, if Alive's contract was up in July, how does Coach Lee have a case, let alone after infiltrating his computer? If this becomes a legal issue, I'm sure Alive would win. July 2012 -_-' | ||
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zeru
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25951 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:20 slytown wrote: I'm losing respect for Coach Lee. Also, if Alive's contract was up in July, how does Coach Lee have a case, let alone after infiltrating his computer? If this becomes a legal issue, I'm sure Alive would win. Because it's not July? lol. WTF is this post? | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:20 slytown wrote: I'm losing respect for Coach Lee. Also, if Alive's contract was up in July, how does Coach Lee have a case, let alone after infiltrating his computer? If this becomes a legal issue, I'm sure Alive would win. Contract ends in July It is currently January I don't really see what you're getting at here. A contract is still a contract whether it has a week left or 10 years left. Furthermore, It's not inconceivable that aLive left his Skype open on the computer in the training room (making it essentially Coach Lee's computer he's letting aLive borrow in the eyes of the law) and Coach Lee went to shut it down and this caught his eye. I'm not saying that's what happened but from how it looks to me, Coach Lee would certainly have the upper hand in a lawsuit. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:24 Chill wrote: Because it's not July? lol. WTF is this post? slytown thought it meant last July, for some reason | ||
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
Alive handling himself exceptionally well. Glad to see he didn't let it get to him too much, and still managed to make it to the R016. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:44 Detri wrote: lol keylogging a players computer? Or what ever he did to get the skype logs.. The only person coming out in a bad light due to this is Coach Lee, that's hella paranoid.... I just hope this doesn't screw up aLives career, he's an excellent terran and I enjoy watching his games. I beg to differ on this point. This situation makes aLive look extremely unprofessional and underhanded in the way in which he tried to engineer a way out of his current contract with his team so that he could switch to another team. It seems that aLive really should have been more open about his intentions with Coach Lee (who isn't blameless either). If he was going to talk to Fnatic (through whatever medium) he should have been open with the coach so that he doesn't get found out in a situation like this and left with essential no leg(s) to stand on. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:17 Derez wrote: Yes because coaches digging through a players private communication is totally cool and acceptable. It doesn't actually matter if he got it by simply sitting down and reading an a skype chat log (likely) or if he has mad hacking skills (unlikely), there's such a thing as privacy. But you have absolutely no idea how he obtained the logs or under what circumstances he did, neither does alive, who in the interview leads us to believe they were taken from his computer because they were logged there, but doesn't actually know. If the player in question won't directly levy the accusation what right do we have to? It's the same shit that happened last time with FD & Tester. Just wait for the facts. Maybe he approached Fnatic's translator and he got the logs from him? | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:25 VirgilSC2 wrote: I think something important to note is that Coach Lee's statement, while not 100% accurate, is much closer to aLive's story than Fnatics. Contract ends in July It is currently January I don't really see what you're getting at here. A contract is still a contract whether it has a week left or 10 years left. Furthermore, It's not inconceivable that aLive left his Skype open on the computer in the training room (making it essentially Coach Lee's computer he's letting aLive borrow in the eyes of the law) and Coach Lee went to shut it down and this caught his eye. I'm not saying that's what happened but from how it looks to me, Coach Lee would certainly have the upper hand in a lawsuit. Let's wait until we here aLive's side of the story from aLive himself, kk? If he's not satisfied with this interview and wants to put out his own statement, then taking this interview as gospel isn't so accurate. There's quite a bit more first-hand evidence to support Fnatic's side of the story than Coach Lee's. They seem to be the least involved party in all of this. I think it's pretty obvious that the miscommunication is primarily between aLive and Coach Lee. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:27 floor exercise wrote: But you have absolutely no idea how he obtained the logs or under what circumstances he did, neither does alive, who in the interview leads us to believe they were taken from his computer because they were logged there, but doesn't actually know. If the player in question won't directly levy the accusation what right do we have to? It's the same shit that happened last time with FD & Tester. Just wait for the facts. Maybe he approached Fnatic's translator and he got the logs from him? <This is a hypothetical> With regard to Coach Lee obtaining the logs, it's entirely possible that given that the computers are likely to be TSL's property there might be a clause in the TSL player contracts which states that the computers should be treated as such and the Coach/Manager has access to the computer's contents much like a work/school PC is. | ||
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
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hyperknight
294 Posts
State facts/official statements made by the people related to this matter. Don't join in and add to the fire by saying who's do you think is right or wrong. Esp with so many people badmouthing Coach Lee or fnatic or aLive or even fnatic's translator. So much for being sc2's unbiased news website. gg | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38136 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:32 tree.hugger wrote: Let's wait until we here aLive's side of the story from aLive himself, kk? If he's not satisfied with this interview and wants to put out his own statement, then taking this interview as gospel isn't so accurate. There's quite a bit more first-hand evidence to support Fnatic's side of the story than Coach Lee's. They seem to be the least involved party in all of this. I think it's pretty obvious that the miscommunication is primarily between aLive and Coach Lee. I disagree with Fnatic being the least involved party. If aLive says he's sure fnatic were going to sign him they're at least an equal party to all this surely? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
LOL Ever heard of privacy? No matter what alive did wrong etc, just for that I'm 100% behind him. Wouldn't want to stay with ppl that spy on me... | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:35 Asha` wrote: I disagree with Fnatic being the least involved party. If aLive says he's sure fnatic were going to sign him they're at least an equal party to all this surely? I think I'm with you on this one. His statements did seem to indicate that the move to Fnatic was extremely likely given that he was very confident that at least some of it not all of the penalty fee would be absorbed by Fnatic in the financial restitution/compensation between aLive/TSL. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:35 hyperwhiteknight wrote: After seeing the posts made by TL mods with regards to this who drama, its pretty shameful what you folks represent TL on the forums. You're supposed to throw down the banhammer on folks who basically badmouth any player/team/coach/forum member esp since they (all of us, basically) do NOT have full knowledge of the situation or incident. State facts/official statements made by the people related to this matter. Don't join in and add to the fire by saying who's do you think is right or wrong. Esp with so many people badmouthing Coach Lee or fnatic or aLive or even fnatic's translator. So much for being sc2's unbiased news website. gg Individual opinions of staff members are only individual opinions and have nothing to do with the site at large. We can't ban people for discussing or taking sides on this issue. Criticism is allowed on TL. We can ban or warn people for being grossly misinformed or for making unfounded personal attacks. There's a fine line between what's acceptable and what's not, but at a minimum, people should be able to discuss this, and so should staff. (We're fans too) | ||
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Chill
Calgary25951 Posts
Someone wants to get out of their contract, which is fine as there is a pay-out clause. Someone else says they will hire that person after they're contract-free. They mistakenly announce they've signed him before the contract is in place. So the only mistake here was announcing they signed him before they had. Honestly, who cares? Alive will pay the buy-out fee and then sign with fnatic. People leave companies to join other ones all the time. They have signed offer letters before they quit their existing job. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Coach Lee is reading the Chatlogs of his players? LOL Ever heard of privacy? No matter what alive did wrong etc, just for that I'm 100% behind him. Wouldn't want to stay with ppl that spy on me... If he left it there for all to see then it's his fault. If there's a clause in the TSL contract stating that the PC is TSL's property and it is open to inspection by the coach/manager then he's got nowhere to hide. If there's a team rule stating something similar, ditto. There are a lot of situations where the chat logs could have been obtained without Lee appearing to be a creeper. Besides, if you're using Team/Company equipment you really should be a little more careful/circumspect about what you're doing on it. I mean, discussing a potential move away from the team you're contracted to on their hardware isn't the smartest move. And siding with someone irregardless of how illegal/shady their decision making was seems to be pretty silly. | ||
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