EPTaLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 3
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:42 Fionn wrote: I don't get why it's poor Alive. Alive fucked up. It's not like he was a slave on TSL. Even if he didn't like staying there anymore, he signed a professional contract and was getting paid actual money (not Monopoly money) to represent TSL and their sponsors until July. Which is especially important since he was their only current player in Code S and would be the most seen out of all the TSL players at the moment. I know Alive is young and all, but I don't think it's that hard to understand a contract. If Alive wanted to leave, he should have went to Lee directly and left like JYP, Killer and Clide who all got permission to leave without any fuss. JYP and Clide both joined new teams with no problem and are happy where they are. Alive and the translator, who seemed to have started talks of signing a deal before even the Fnatic team knew about it, from my view point, are the ones to blame most harshly in this matter. It makes Fnatic look bad. It makes TSL look bad. Shit, it makes e-sports in general look bad. How is anyone supposed to take this seriously when we have players breaching contracts left and right? Yes fair point i agree. But coach lee would not of known ANY of this, if he didnt "Hack" (i do use this lightly) aLive's skype and find the chat log as evidence that he was already in talks about another contract whilst being under contract. aLive then said i knew this was wrong but I (aLive) put my hands up and said ok, i will pay the transfer fee and i want to leave. Then they had gentlemans agreement (word of mouth) that they will say good things about eachother and it would be ok. THEN Fnatic F*** up by denying it and casuing my stuff to annoy coach lee again (insert Puma drama) to cause even more pain for him and him to say "i've had enough" basically and to think i might aswell just sue them to teach a lesson. but without ANY governing body (i.e FIFA UEFA etc) they have no decent way of dealing with transfers and no punishment for a player to do this sort of thing. example, if it went to court and either party wins all that will happen is. aLive wins court case: aLive doesnt pay transfer fee, coach lee has to pay court fee's coach Lee wins court case: aLive pays transfer fee and court fee's maybe a little bit extra too. That is not going to help either party much (apart from financially in the short term) Governing bodys are the only thing needed to help fix this silly amateur transfer dealings that come up so often now the foreign scene has alot more money in SC | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Clearly the Fnatic translator also went way accross the line in poaching Alive from TSL. In the end all seem at fault, best of luck to Alive, see you on a foreign team soon enough. Hurray for the new hype, let's all stack up on koreans ! o what most already do bleh. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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Michaels
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
if I were on his roster, I wouldn't hesitate to leave the team..this kind of spying and shit is just lame and unforgivable. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:48 Pandemona wrote: Yes fair point i agree. But coach lee would not of known ANY of this, if he didnt "Hack" (i do use this lightly) aLive's skype and find the chat log as evidence that he was already in talks about another contract whilst being under contract. aLive then said i knew this was wrong but I (aLive) put my hands up and said ok, i will pay the transfer fee and i want to leave. Then they had gentlemans agreement (word of mouth) that they will say good things about eachother and it would be ok. THEN Fnatic F*** up by denying it and casuing my stuff to annoy coach lee again (insert Puma drama) to cause even more pain for him and him to say "i've had enough" basically and to think i might aswell just sue them to teach a lesson. but without ANY governing body (i.e FIFA UEFA etc) they have no decent way of dealing with transfers and no punishment for a player to do this sort of thing. example, if it went to court and either party wins all that will happen is. aLive wins court case: aLive doesnt pay transfer fee, coach lee has to pay court fee's coach Lee wins court case: aLive pays transfer fee and court fee's maybe a little bit extra too. That is not going to help either party much (apart from financially in the short term) Governing bodys are the only thing needed to help fix this silly amateur transfer dealings that come up so often now the foreign scene has alot more money in SC Fnatic didn't deny anything except the accusation they had already signed aLive to a contract... much like when PuMa left and Coach Lee accused EG of having PuMa under contract when they hadn't yet. Fnatic did NOTHING WRONG, they talked with a player who intended to leave his team anyway, they didn't contract him, they told him what they would offer. | ||
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Blennd
United States266 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:27 Fionn wrote: From these stories, the blame has to lie on Alive and the translator for Fnatic who went over his head trying to poach a player who was under contract for six more months. In the end, Fnatic will sign Alive, and TSL will be left with another gaping hole. Now is the time to see if Polt and Hyun will stand behind Lee or leave as well since I don't think either would have trouble at all finding a new team. Are you serious? None of the blame lies on the coach who illegally recorded his player's every move, and then lied to the player about only releasing good press, only to slam him publicly days later? I am honestly shocked that anyone is blaming anyone except coach Lee in this situation. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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zeru
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
Anyway, it does seem like something's wrong with Coach Lee and how he internally deals with his players. There's no other reason why so many of them are leaving. Alive also hasn't earned much. He's got ~$15k in winnings so far and the fine is $8.7k so I don't know what he's trying to do. Probably overestimates his worth. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:58 zeru wrote: Monitoring your employees computer activities isn't always illegal. Most companies do it. It is illegal, at least in France. Admins don't have the right to look into folders marked "PERSONAL" on an employee's computer, and reading private chatlog is forbidden too. If it is on a work computer, it is for sure on their work/private computer since they live there, too. Depends on the country I guess, but it is borderline illegal. @ vnlegend you are overestimating the computer skill of these teams and gamers. I'm not even sure they have passwords on their PC lol. Some korean progamers barely know anything about their computer apart from playing sc. (I said SOME, don't think I'm talking about everybody) this kind of software, while easy to configure and install, is of near to no use when they are all in a single room.... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45164 Posts
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:58 zeru wrote: Monitoring your employees computer activities isn't always illegal. Most companies do it. I recall in a interview with  Movie the CJ coach spot checking his players whether they are practising broodwar or surfing the net . Unlucky for Movie , Coach decided to pick him first and check his computer and found him not guilty . Well I can relate from this scenario , that coaches do have access to all player's computer and if they want to check it they can . Nothing is going to stop them from finding your so called "private stash of pleasure" . | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:59 vnlegend wrote: lol at "hacking". In university they have plenty of programs where the admin can watch all of the other computer's screens. As these computers were team computers, they were networked and probably had remote-access apps already installed. This is like saying the cops shouldn't have access to their own security cameras. Anyway, it does seem like something's wrong with Coach Lee and how he internally deals with his players. There's no other reason why so many of them are leaving. Alive also hasn't earned much. He's got ~$15k in winnings so far and the fine is $8.7k so I don't know what he's trying to do. Probably overestimates his worth. TSL doesn't have computers for the purposes of spying on their players, so your cops and cameras metaphor is stupid. I agree there is something wrong with TSL, no other team is hemorrhaging great players like them. I think a Code S terran is worth quite a bit, what other foreigner team has a code S player? | ||
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Blennd
United States266 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:42 Fionn wrote: I don't get why it's poor Alive. Alive fucked up. It's not like he was a slave on TSL. Even if he didn't like staying there anymore, he signed a professional contract and was getting paid actual money (not Monopoly money) to represent TSL and their sponsors until July. Which is especially important since he was their only current player in Code S and would be the most seen out of all the TSL players at the moment. I know Alive is young and all, but I don't think it's that hard to understand a contract. If Alive wanted to leave, he should have went to Lee directly and left like JYP, Killer and Clide who all got permission to leave without any fuss. JYP and Clide both joined new teams with no problem and are happy where they are. Alive and the translator, who seemed to have started talks of signing a deal before even the Fnatic team knew about it, from my view point, are the ones to blame most harshly in this matter. It makes Fnatic look bad. It makes TSL look bad. Shit, it makes e-sports in general look bad. How is anyone supposed to take this seriously when we have players breaching contracts left and right? You know there's a reason there are clearly laid out penalties in most contracts. It's because sometimes circumstances come up that make it worth it to breach an already existing contract. Breaching a contract isn't immoral. Alive is ready and willing to pay the penalty, he's not looking to screw anyone over. If coach Lee thinks he is getting screwed, he should have made the penalty bigger. Maybe you should ask yourself what circumstances came up with TSL that Alive is willing to pay an 8700 dollar penalty just to get the hell out of TSL. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
But I am so glad that this muck was cleared up. Ty, alive, I forgive you, now as a new fan :3 | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:32 Jackle wrote: Although Coach Lee overreacted and went to the Korean press too early, isn't this the same situation with Puma, a foreign team contacted the player first before talking with management. Except that this time there was a binding contract | ||
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