EPTaLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 21
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
On January 21 2012 01:10 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote: Since this whole issue arises out of alive not being able to choose freely, or to even cancel his contract (even willing to pay the necessary money) without being shitstormed by Coach Lee, it is somehow about player rights. Lee does not have the right to go through alive's private stuff, except if the contract somehow makes him alives "legal guardian" which i doubt (just checked, he's 18 already, dunno what the maturity age in korea is). recording or checking private conversations (even if he would've talked to officials from Fnatic) is not alowed. I agree, alive shouldn't have just quit the team like that, but if he's willing to pay for it, its not a mistake he has to apologize for. so to recapture: i dont think Fnatic is at fault in any way. if they are interested of picking up a player, they can ask wether that player is interested before talking to the coach. Why shouldn't they be allowed? Alive should've not signed the contract at all. Leaving should not be punishable except for fees if you cancel the contract too early. Even if it is a 1 or more year contract, there needs to be a clause to cancel the contract earlier, within several months notice. I do not understand Lee. If all his actions are legal and respected in korea, south korea is not as advanced as i thought of it before. maybe i should do more research. @the poster above: at least on germany, camera surveillance of employees is NOT permitted. any form of "surveillance" is not. Too bad that we're talking about South Korea instead of Germany and that Germany's laws about surveillance are completely irrelevant. Alive knew what he did was ethically wrong and at least he's coming forth to admit that he was wrong. Coach Lee probably would have let him transfer anyway if they talked first. Even talking the player first doesn't sound that bad. However, when you take into account that Alive planned to use the underhanded way of leaving his original team then joining another team avoiding his contract completely, there's not much you can do except say that Alive was in the wrong. Not saying that Alive is a bad person, just not able to judge things accurately yet. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
On January 21 2012 08:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Neo7, doesn't the wording of his interview suggest he has a legitimate release clause? That's how it sounds to me. But still, I knew that I had fault in this so I acknowledged those parts and I asked for his understanding and apologized. He admits it himself. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On January 21 2012 10:59 Neo7 wrote: But still, I knew that I had fault in this so I acknowledged those parts and I asked for his understanding and apologized. He admits it himself. He acknowledges fault for not speaking to him straight away, I guess, but it's hardly underhanded to exercise a clause written into your contract. In fact, specifically: What are the specific parts that you think you did wrong? Getting in touch with Fnatic without first talking to Coach Lee was my wrongdoing. So that's the fault he's acknowledging, not exercising a release clause (if he has one) or otherwise ending his contract. | ||
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Mykoss
Australia2 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
However, I dont fault him for talking with fnatic first. Until we get player agents, thats the way it has to be. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
All this departure of Puma saga, then Tester and FD leaving saga, and now this saga still remain quite murky. I'd love to hear the final versions of events from both sides without some BS announcements/statements/apologies. I mean come on, Rekrul writing a pretty damning post and after several hours writing "Sorry Coach Lee" sounds ridiculous. Nobody believes that, not Coach Lee, not fans on here and I don't even think Rekrul believes himself. This story, the same case. In professional sports, there are leaks to fans and media about certain events in teams. Here, even such leaks are so contradicting. | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
After that, Coach Lee said he wanted to talk to me. He had printed out my conversation with the Fnatic manager. That skype conversation was logged on my computer, and I’m curious as to how he got access to it. This is the most concering part of the thread in my eyes. I would very much like to know how he had a printed version of aLives personal and private conversation logs from skype. As far as i am aware coach lee has broken the law with this hasn't he? (assuming he personally went onto alives PC and printed it out himself) | ||
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Excludos
Norway8080 Posts
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FaZe
Canada472 Posts
On January 22 2012 00:00 Excludos wrote: I'm having trouble sympathizing with Coach Lee after the thousands of dramas and shitstorms he's been in since sc2 release. I'm having trouble sympathizing with Coach Lee when he is clearly going through all his player's chat logs. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:44 DMKraft wrote: You can't go through coaches without at least gauging interest from a player, it wouldn't make sense. Poaching team "Hey Coach, I want to have X player on my team" Coach of player"Is he interested in changing teams?" Poaching team "Dunno." Well in that case, the "poaching" team should ask to speak to the player of course with the coach as a middle man, then ask if he's interested in a better offer. At least that's how I assume Evil Geniuses acquired HuK anyway (something which the press release showed as probably the most ethical player trade in ESPORTS showing how EG spoke to Nazgul first, then spoke to HuK then gave a better bid towards HuK and bought the remainder of his contract in an ethical way. They did not approach HuK in secret and they did not "bait" him with a player contract held on a fishing hook). However, the issue is that EG and Fnatic spoke to PuMa and aLive respectively without first contacting Coach Lee about a potential bid. That's why Coach Lee seems to be pissed off. Looking over player's chat logs though? Paranoid much? | ||
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
On January 21 2012 08:16 Medrea wrote: I want to start a "Free Alive!!" campaign. what about "let alive live"? | ||
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whitefluff
United States22 Posts
That isn't to say that nobody else is at fault, however Coach Lee turned a situation from sad, to bad, to bitter. Not only is he slowly destroying TSL's image, but the image of his players as well. If Fanatic doesn't pay the fee, I will be sorely disappointed in them as well. | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On January 29 2012 12:19 SC2NeCro wrote: My question is why hasn't he been signed by a team yet? He's been teamless for a little while now and he's a very, very good player. I personally feel it is somewhat of a PR risk. It is still unclear what happened and if he were to be signed and later exposed of nefarious actions, it could be an issue for a team and effect the perceived value of the player. Almost no team looks at skill alone to justify signing a player. It could also be a high return risk, say for example he is desperate for a team and would sign for lower terms than he would without this fiasco, and is later cleared of all suspicion, the team that signed him in bad times could gain greater reward. A lot of it comes down to what Alive wants himself. Maybe he doesn't want to get distracted with drama or paperwork or regulations or whatever other burdens come with signing on to a new team, while on an amazing GSL run and just wants to practice and perform the best he can. All 100% speculation and pretty irrelevant. Not even sure why I'm typing this up... | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 23 2012 14:03 xxgeffxx wrote: alive has posted a few things on twitter since this article was made- any relevant stuff? He has tweeted "good morning" 20 times. | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
lmao ALive is awesome | ||
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