EPTaLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 19
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Jongl0
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Yomi-no-Kuni
Germany333 Posts
i dont even get what he's apologizing for didnt he plan to stay on the team until he could get picked up by Fnatic? sounded like it? isn't it none of the coaches business which team alive plans to go to after he's done with TSL? it sounds like he was talking to the other team, which should be no problem at all. Is it specifically stated that transferring after a contract runs out can't be discussed before it actually does? that'd be nonsense, and i doubt it could stand before the law (maybe korean). edit: the problem about alive leaving the team or alive this and that has got nothing to do with Fnatic in my eyes. and especially for underaged players who aren't happy with were they live, more room for decisions should be made. edit2: Its really shocking to see how many people dont give a damn about players rights or even human rights in this thread. i'm dissapointed | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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Stonedviper
74 Posts
Contracts need to have some meaning, if his contract was till July he should be banned from compeating in any event and for any other team till at least July and that would be on top of the compensation he owes TSL. | ||
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Rbd
19 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:09 Stonedviper wrote: Whats wrong with coach lee printing something off the computer? I assume that aLive was dumb enough to use a team owned computer and with that the team has the right to view everything that happens on that computer. It's aLIve's fault for not deleting the history on the computer after he was done. No. It does not matter who owns the computer at all. On a personal level, it is a massive invasion of someone's privacy to look at their personal chat logs. On a legal level, which if you had bothered to read more than the OP you would know that relevant SK laws on the issue have been posted earlier in the thread many times, if Coach Lee did not have permission to view alive's personal chat logs, even if Coach Lee owned the computer it was stored on, alive can take legal action against Coach Lee. | ||
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Imbu
United States903 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:27 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote: i really dont get what alive did wrong... i dont even get what he's apologizing for didnt he plan to stay on the team until he could get picked up by Fnatic? sounded like it? isn't it none of the coaches business which team alive plans to go to after he's done with TSL? it sounds like he was talking to the other team, which should be no problem at all. Is it specifically stated that transferring after a contract runs out can't be discussed before it actually does? that'd be nonsense, and i doubt it could stand before the law (maybe korean). edit: the problem about alive leaving the team or alive this and that has got nothing to do with Fnatic in my eyes. and especially for underaged players who aren't happy with were they live, more room for decisions should be made. edit2: Its really shocking to see how many people dont give a damn about players rights or even human rights in this thread. i'm dissapointed This isn't about "player rights" right now. Just looking at facts, we have this. 1. Alive left TSL. 2. Alive was contracted to TSL. While Alive is under that contract, he shouldn't just leave the team like that. I agree that because of this, there is not as much involvement with Fanatic besides that Alive only left TSL because he hopes to be picked up by Fanatic. There is no real fault on anyone here but Alive for acting a bit recklessly in his situation. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
I dont know about korean laws, but in germany he could 1) cancel the contract with no delay because of this 2) go to the police because its a crime to copy this data. Why would lee show him, that he stolen private data, in the first place? i dont get this story. | ||
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WardenSC
Canada210 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:09 Stonedviper wrote: Whats wrong with coach lee printing something off the computer? I assume that aLive was dumb enough to use a team owned computer and with that the team has the right to view everything that happens on that computer. It's aLIve's fault for not deleting the history on the computer after he was done. Contracts need to have some meaning, if his contract was till July he should be banned from compeating in any event and for any other team till at least July and that would be on top of the compensation he owes TSL. You sir have a seriously flawed logic. Do you also think that, for example. the owner of a washroom in a mall, has the right to view whatever's going on inside the washroom since he/she owns it? Because this is what yhou are insinuating. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On January 20 2012 04:09 WardenSC wrote: The logic is more flawed than that and I'm quite sure several people brought the basic things already. For example that you don't have to break the law to be an ass. And that the privacy norms are probably set higher in team houses since players in team houses tend to live in them.You sir have a seriously flawed logic. Do you also think that, for example. the owner of a washroom in a mall, has the right to view whatever's going on inside the washroom since he/she owns it? Because this is what yhou are insinuating. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
 I think aLive is a classy dude. I'm also disliking Coach Lee by the minute. Lee should drop it and stop snooping Skype chats, I do believe that's illegal in Korea, hopefully this'll be done soon enough for aLive to focus on the pewpew and a bit less on the QQ. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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DojoJoe
Canada28 Posts
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:55 dgwow wrote: Did everyone read the article by Rekrul about Coach Lee? Seems this issue should be moot now because of that. Blame Lee for EVERYTHING! If he's under contract, that story while horrifying, is very irrelevant to the law. | ||
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BadgKat
United States156 Posts
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pak150
United States531 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
I didn't think much of Coach Lee back then, and now I have absolutely no respect for him now. As much as I hear about Korean "respect", and their societal attitudes being so different, it sounds like every country has their tyrannical bosses. Best of luck to aLive, and good luck to you with Fnatic, where I hope you get the respect you deserve. | ||
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Gh86
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On January 20 2012 06:43 hysterial wrote: If he's under contract, that story while horrifying, is very irrelevant to the law. Have you seen the contract? I haven't, obviously, and I don't think you have. However, from what aLive says in his interview, it sounds like there's a release clause. Because this is still concerns a contract, talks of a fee of breach of contract can’t be avoided. Is there a clause concerning this in the contract? There is. I think that’s why he means to get the penalty fee from me. If you do have to pay a penalty fee, how much would that sum be? I believe it is around 10,000,000 won. Did Fnatic say they would pay for that penalty fee? I’m not exactly sure but I believe they said they would announce the penalty fee as the transfer fee. A contract is still a contract though. It’s because I didn’t think it was good to stay even after thinking about it a lot that I decided to leave. Even if I have to use my own money I said I would pay the fee for breach of contract. The way he talks about paying a preset fee for breach of contract makes it sound like a release clause, NOT a penalty for breaking his contract. That would mean he's not in violation of the law at all. Again, of course, I have absolutely zero actual inside information or anything like that. I'm just guessing, but that makes me identical to nearly everyone else who's posted on this topic. | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
On January 20 2012 04:09 WardenSC wrote: You sir have a seriously flawed logic. Do you also think that, for example. the owner of a washroom in a mall, has the right to view whatever's going on inside the washroom since he/she owns it? Because this is what yhou are insinuating. This analogy is inaccurate. Businesses do have the right to control what they own to an extent and monitor their employee's behavior. A better analogy would be logging users who use Outlook for personal reasons instead of for business. Of course there will be a copy for the business to see your personal stuff (it's not to catch people's personal business, it is to monitor their business transaction to ensure Quality Control over communication). That's why employers tell you not to do that shit at work (not because it's bad for resources). | ||
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Yomi-no-Kuni
Germany333 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:21 Imbu wrote: This isn't about "player rights" right now. Just looking at facts, we have this. 1. Alive left TSL. 2. Alive was contracted to TSL. While Alive is under that contract, he shouldn't just leave the team like that. I agree that because of this, there is not as much involvement with Fanatic besides that Alive only left TSL because he hopes to be picked up by Fanatic. There is no real fault on anyone here but Alive for acting a bit recklessly in his situation. Since this whole issue arises out of alive not being able to choose freely, or to even cancel his contract (even willing to pay the necessary money) without being shitstormed by Coach Lee, it is somehow about player rights. Lee does not have the right to go through alive's private stuff, except if the contract somehow makes him alives "legal guardian" which i doubt (just checked, he's 18 already, dunno what the maturity age in korea is). recording or checking private conversations (even if he would've talked to officials from Fnatic) is not alowed. I agree, alive shouldn't have just quit the team like that, but if he's willing to pay for it, its not a mistake he has to apologize for. so to recapture: i dont think Fnatic is at fault in any way. if they are interested of picking up a player, they can ask wether that player is interested before talking to the coach. Why shouldn't they be allowed? Alive should've not signed the contract at all. Leaving should not be punishable except for fees if you cancel the contract too early. Even if it is a 1 or more year contract, there needs to be a clause to cancel the contract earlier, within several months notice. I do not understand Lee. If all his actions are legal and respected in korea, south korea is not as advanced as i thought of it before. maybe i should do more research. @the poster above: at least on germany, camera surveillance of employees is NOT permitted. any form of "surveillance" is not. | ||
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