EPTaLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 18
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Treva
United States533 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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Melchior
United States112 Posts
Since it seems there was the early termination fee included in the contract details, there's nothing wrong with ending his membership on his own terms either, just as team management can drop a player at any time. At most, if they wanted to prevent someone from joining another team for a period of time after parting, they'd have to put a paid non-compete clause in the contract. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
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Share_The_Land
Canada152 Posts
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HyTex
United States67 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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Chocolatiere
Poland7 Posts
Unless his contract with TSL expressly forbids it, there's nothing wrong with aLive talking to Fnatic or other teams, and I don't know a single person naive enough to sign a contract with that sort of stipulation. Since it seems there was the early termination fee included in the contract details, there's nothing wrong with ending his membership on his own terms either, just as team management can drop a player at any time. At most, if they wanted to prevent someone from joining another team for a period of time after parting, they'd have to put a paid non-compete clause in the contract. I was just wondering same excact thing. TSL aLive never signed a new contract, which would basically means he just talked to someone about such possibility. That would definietly count as private conversation. The thing I don't get the most on TSL's managment part is that aLive made mistake but Coach Lee blows stuff to heavens size !!! I have no idea how law works in korea but single prove of aLive not sticking to a contract was illegaly obtained from his personal computer. Which would really give huge basics for TSL's player to sue coaches ass first . ! For what is worth I wish there was a great korean lawyer here who could free aLive's butt out of this akward situation and let this man be and let him do what he does so good !! GL aLive ! | ||
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quickclickz
United States81 Posts
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quickclickz
United States81 Posts
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
So if I understand correctly and if aLive talked to Fnatic just recently, I don't see a problem with this. What does TSL expect? He made it clear to them he is not extending his contract and he is leaving. Does he have to wait until he is out, homeless (so to speak)? Ridiculous. | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
Hopefully Coach Lee get faulted for this, especially if they were supposed to release information on good terms. (It is strike 2 for him too, so it's not like this is an isolated incident, must say wonders about his ability to "coach") | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:47 DreamOen wrote: This.Some ppl forgett, thay many of them are still childs, and they never worked before, they sacrificed their teenage era in pro to starcraft, u cant expect them to make the right decisions all the time. I remember somebody in the BW forums wrote that in all the players interviews of BW Proleague pros, the young pros use very rudimentary vocabulary. Iloveoov was an exception in that he actually knew some of the more eloquent / sophisticated vocab / manners of speech, so he came across as a very educated man. Most of them young machines in BW gave up their teenage-hood to game... thus giving up an entire vocab bank of Hanja-related words which Koreans learn in Highschool | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
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papaours
France1 Post
Coach Lee also said when Clide and JYP hyung left that if I was still unhappy, I could leave too. I was going to leave at that time but because of personal issues, I said I would stay in the team a bit longer, but just physically, not as an active teammate. I thought that Coach Lee had accepted it at the time but I guess that wasn’t the case. According to aLive himself, the coach proposed him to leave the team, and aLive said he intented to do so. So why is Lee acting surprised that aLive is looking for another team ? On team-aaa an eSahara manager stated that aLive also contacted them, so if aLive initiated the negociations with fnatic too I really don't understand how fnatic interfered with anything. | ||
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Nicator
United Kingdom24 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:22 Shinta) wrote: By contract, a player 'belongs' to a team. He is binded to the team, and there is no if's or but's about what the player gets to do. Everything he is allowed to do is stated in the contract, and then the team allows him what they feel, after the contractual liberties are provided. According to contract, a player is not allowed to speak to another team and talk about those kinds of issues. It is thus, the job of an outside team who wants to pick up a player residing in a team with contract, to go up to the team that player resides in, and begin to discuss agreements in which both teams, plus the player will be happy and comfortable with. They turn into bodies of legislation, in which the well being of the player is decided. If, for example, Fnatic went up to TSL and said "hey we want to offer your player X amount of money, + stay in a team house, open access to Y amount of facilities, and Z opportunities" it is then up to the team who has the player in contract to decide if that is better for their player than what he is currently receiving. If the team wants to trade the player, then they will do so. If they don't want to trade the player, then they will not trade him. Once the contract is finished, it is the decision of both the player and the team to either renew the contract or not to. If the team wants to renew but the player does not, then the player chooses not to, and vice versa. Once the player is no longer under contract, he is a free agent and is allowed to roam and look for teams whenever he chooses. While he is under contract, he does not have the privilege of talking to outside teams. Speaking as an individual to a friend is fine, but negotiating team arrangements (whether just playing around or not) is not allowed because it influences the player's current role in his current team. Even if the player decides he does not want to take the offer, the mere fact that it was offered to him could spark greed and thus disrupt his performance in the team in which he resides. Fnatic, knowing the rules of the game, does not accept responsibility for the actions of their own staff member. Whether their staff was requested to undergo negotiations with aLive or not, discussing terms of contract and team switching are negotiations. A staff member of Fnatic showed characteristics of an unprofessional individual, and aLive then breached contract. Now with a breach of contract, legal matters can be taken into place, and lawsuits can be filed. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD. Real sports organizations function the same way. This is the land of the big boys. People don't fuck around for any reason in which they so please. When people make mistakes, consequences are then enforced. Lee is trying to show the world that Fnatic showed unprofessional behavior, and they did. He's not saying that Fnatic breached aLive's contract for him, aLive did that on his own. You and everyone else needs to realize that this is a business, and business is thus taken into account. Nobody can sign away their rights to the extent that they 'belong' to someone else. This is true in most of the world, including the US - indentured servitude is generally illegal. You can put a lot of things in a contract, but that doesn't mean they will hold up in court. Look at non-compete clauses for an example - employers would love to put large non-compete clauses in contracts, because that makes the labour market illiquid and depresses salaries. In many places, however, even if a contract contains such a clause it won't actually be enforceable, or will be heavily limited in length and scope. aLive leaving early is a clear breach of contract, and no doubt Lee will enact the penalty clause for that. Simply talking to other teams is unlikely to be an enforceable item in a contract. In your scenario, every time a player wants to switch teams and the coach doesn't want to let him (and thus refuses offers from other teams), the player has to risk quitting before even knowing if other teams want them. This is completely crazy - it allows a coach to hold on to a player they're underpaying or treating poorly just because the player can't work out their fair market value. In what other profession do you have to quit before you can look for a new job? I know I find a new job before I quit my current one, why should it be different for SC2 players, who already have to endure cramped, unpleasant conditions and a very low likelihood of making any real cash? | ||
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iEatWoofers
Switzerland108 Posts
Lee already overreacted when EG talked a little to Puma. It's not like Puma or aLive sat down for a business meeting and discussed anything about contracts with official representatives of the respective teams. Weird how problems like this only arise with TSL... Now drama is happening with Heart too... Then the post from Rekrul on how Lee behaved in the early days of SC2... Seems like a weird team/coach to me. Well, I just hope all ends well for the players  | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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