EPTAlive fucked up, not fnatic, take it like a man and get over with it.
aLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 4
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
Alive fucked up, not fnatic, take it like a man and get over with it. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:42 Fionn wrote: I know Alive is young and all, but I don't think it's that hard to understand a contract. If Alive wanted to leave, he should have went to Lee directly and left like JYP, Killer and Clide who all got permission to leave without any fuss. JYP and Clide both joined new teams with no problem and are happy where they are. Alive and the translator, who seemed to have started talks of signing a deal before even the Fnatic team knew about it, from my view point, are the ones to blame most harshly in this matter. It makes Fnatic look bad. It makes TSL look bad. Shit, it makes e-sports in general look bad. How is anyone supposed to take this seriously when we have players breaching contracts left and right? agree. but who fuckin believes that translator was doing things on his own accord ? Fnatic must have given him some kind of order to convince and guide aLive out of the house. Then when shit came to light fnatic is like lol we couldnt care less 'bout our translation having some "casual conversation". Thats not any illegal but shady as hell And about aLive, this kid needs to be educated by KeSPA about professionalism. Hey I dont like this team, I wanna leave. Well I would stay for a while, signing contract,getting money, getting prohouse training but fuck it Im not your teammate anyway. I leave asap when theres enough money on the line.gg | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:04 Blennd wrote: You know there's a reason there are clearly laid out penalties in most contracts. It's because sometimes circumstances come up that make it worth it to breach an already existing contract. Breaching a contract isn't immoral. Alive is ready and willing to pay the penalty, he's not looking to screw anyone over. If coach Lee thinks he is getting screwed, he should have made the penalty bigger. Maybe you should ask yourself what circumstances came up with TSL that Alive is willing to pay an 8700 dollar penalty just to get the hell out of TSL. Because he is only physically there, he wants to find his soul. And his soul belongs to fnatic. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
we don't know how he obtained the skype conversation logs. maybe alive talked to another 'friend' in TSL and that player felt the need to inform coach lee, who then looked at the PC to see if it was true. Maybe another player grabbed the file and gave it to coach Lee. the fact that everyone automatically assumes coach Lee is 'creepy weirdo' 'hacking' alive's computer is already bullshit. How do we even know it was Alive's computer? Korean progamer houses rotate PCs based ont raining schedule, it's 100% possible, someone else, even coach lee himself, stumbled across the skype log or noticed some fishy conversations going on when they rotated computers. HEY GUYS. COACH LEE IN NEWS, HE MUST BE BAD GUY AMIRITE? | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:15 Smix wrote: Even then, it seems that you've currently left the team without permission. If you do have to pay a penalty fee, how much would that sum be? I believe it is around 10,000,000 won. Did Fnatic say they would pay for that penalty fee? I’m not exactly sure but I believe they said they would announce the penalty fee as the transfer fee. Source: Thisisgame I feel like somewhere along the line somebody shoulda cut this bit out of the interview. That seems like it'll do more harm than good being out in the open.' Also, I'm going to try to reserve judgement this makes mereally wonder about Coach Lee. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:47 DreamOen wrote: Some ppl forgett, thay many of them are still childs, and they never worked before, they sacrificed their teenage era in pro to starcraft, u cant expect them to make the right decisions all the time. That's a pathetic excuse, you can't be both a child and a progamer. Professional teams (and TSL is in every sense a professional team) aren't babysitters. Don't join a team and don't sign the contract if you aren't willing to live up to it. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:11 Kazeyonoma wrote: i love how everyone here is already attacking coach lee about 'illegally recording Alive's computer" we don't know how he obtained the skype conversation logs. maybe alive talked to another 'friend' in TSL and that player felt the need to inform coach lee, who then looked at the PC to see if it was true. Maybe another player grabbed the file and gave it to coach Lee. the fact that everyone automatically assumes coach Lee is 'creepy weirdo' 'hacking' alive's computer is already bullshit. How do we even know it was Alive's computer? Korean progamer houses rotate PCs based ont raining schedule, it's 100% possible, someone else, even coach lee himself, stumbled across the skype log or noticed some fishy conversations going on when they rotated computers. HEY GUYS. COACH LEE IN NEWS, HE MUST BE BAD GUY AMIRITE? Lol i didnt accuse him of hacking but in general "well how did he get that then" it comes under "hacking" kinda. And re read your point back.... "even coach lee himself, stumbled acress the skype log or noticed some fishy conversations going on" hmm so you stumble across someones chat logs on skype xD find that hard to belive sir! Anyway like someone from france said, in Europe its illegal to check on work members emails let alone skypes/msn's | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:11 Kazeyonoma wrote: HEY GUYS. COACH LEE IN NEWS, HE MUST BE BAD GUY AMIRITE? It happens every time. It was Coach Lee's fault for not contracting Puma (guilty of the crime of naivety I suppose), then it was Coach Lee's fault for not paying Tester and FruitDealer (when he did) and now it's Coach Lee's fault for allegedly hacking computers. Some people just really want him to be the bad guy for some reason | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
I miss the old TSL which seemed so tight knit. Even after Cool & Tester left, Sangho/Alive/JYP/Clide worked to top the GSTL and represent the team that way. Now it seems that everything is falling apart, with Heart leaving and rumours of Polt going too =/ I really wish there wasn't so much drama. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:14 floor exercise wrote: It happens every time. It was Coach Lee's fault for not contracting Puma (guilty of the crime of naivety I suppose), then it was Coach Lee's fault for not paying Tester and FruitDealer (when he did) and now it's Coach Lee's fault for allegedly hacking computers. Some people just really want him to be the bad guy for some reason Yes because coaches digging through a players private communication is totally cool and acceptable. It doesn't actually matter if he got it by simply sitting down and reading an a skype chat log (likely) or if he has mad hacking skills (unlikely), there's such a thing as privacy. | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:10 Arceus wrote: agree. but who fuckin believes that translator was doing things on his own accord ? Fnatic must have given him some kind of order to convince and guide aLive out of the house. Then when shit came to light fnatic is like lol we couldnt care less 'bout our translation having some "casual conversation". Thats not any illegal but shady as hell I was there that night, we were all just out talking casually and I witnessed this conversation. It was definitely not some shady offering, it really was as fnatic says a casual conversation that was in no way or shape or form an 'official offer', just casual talking between the translator and aLive, so please don't say things like this as it's definitely not true. I'm looking forward to aLive's personal statement as I'm sure it will shed even more light on this situation, because the interviewer was definitely biased;; | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:11 Kazeyonoma wrote: i love how everyone here is already attacking coach lee about 'illegally recording Alive's computer" we don't know how he obtained the skype conversation logs. maybe alive talked to another 'friend' in TSL and that player felt the need to inform coach lee, who then looked at the PC to see if it was true. Maybe another player grabbed the file and gave it to coach Lee. the fact that everyone automatically assumes coach Lee is 'creepy weirdo' 'hacking' alive's computer is already bullshit. How do we even know it was Alive's computer? Korean progamer houses rotate PCs based ont raining schedule, it's 100% possible, someone else, even coach lee himself, stumbled across the skype log or noticed some fishy conversations going on when they rotated computers. HEY GUYS. COACH LEE IN NEWS, HE MUST BE BAD GUY AMIRITE? Movie's encounter with his coach checking his comp is already a good example what can A coach do if he really find's you suspicious of anything . | ||
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Nocteo
Belgium799 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:12 Chill wrote: I assumed Alive just left his computer on with Skype open. That was my thought aswell, not unlikely to happen in a team house. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:14 floor exercise wrote: It happens every time. It was Coach Lee's fault for not contracting Puma (guilty of the crime of naivety I suppose), then it was Coach Lee's fault for not paying Tester and FruitDealer (when he did) and now it's Coach Lee's fault for allegedly hacking computers. Some people just really want him to be the bad guy for some reason Its easier to throw eggs on people you dont really care bout/know, coaches/managers/staff is underrated resource in sc2 still. We only care about poor innocent players and big figures. | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:20 slytown wrote: I'm losing respect for Coach Lee. Also, if Alive's contract was up in July, how does Coach Lee have a case, let alone after infiltrating his computer? If this becomes a legal issue, I'm sure Alive would win. July of this year, therefore he is still under contract. Computers in the team house obviously belong to the team, think of it as a permanent PC bang. Don't want other people to see your shit? then delete it after. Edit: I'm assuming the computer he used was in the team house. | ||
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