EPTTo the people commenting about stealing info on computers...give me a break. If you are using a computer that is owned by your company (or your SC2 team), you accept the fact that data stored there does not belong to you, nor are your skype convos protected in any way. They're private if they're conducted on your own personal comp, which clearly isn't the case here. Do you guys seriously think the coach went off to Alives house, Matt Damon style, and hax'd into his computer for tehSkype_files?
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
To the people commenting about stealing info on computers...give me a break. If you are using a computer that is owned by your company (or your SC2 team), you accept the fact that data stored there does not belong to you, nor are your skype convos protected in any way. They're private if they're conducted on your own personal comp, which clearly isn't the case here. Do you guys seriously think the coach went off to Alives house, Matt Damon style, and hax'd into his computer for tehSkype_files? | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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dnld12
United States324 Posts
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
Twice has Coach Lee brought up this kind of drama and "considered legal action". Twice the opposing party have basically come out and said half of what he's saying is rubbish, and it wasn't that way at all. Two different teams, but Coach Lee each time. I would say the problem likely lies with Coach Lee. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:19 dnld12 wrote: Penalty fee is dumb. There should be no problem with Players talking to other teams It shoudl be players concious decision. but Contracts should be going through Proffessional mediums. It is not right to do it this way. Alive shouldn't be punished for just trying to leave and get a new team. If he had truly intended to tell his coach than its all good. What the fuck? Do you even understand what a contract is? Your post is so contradictory, I have no idea what you were even trying to say. It doesn't matter if he intended to tell his coach or not, he broke the damn contract. Thats why fees exist for a reason. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:02 D_K_night wrote: illegal in france does not make it illegal everywhere else in the world. Again - work computer - that's property of the company, not you. Work computer that's property of the company, not you. Personal informations such as skype conversations, email, that's your property, not your company's. If you write a personal email at work, you are making a wrong use of the company property, and if you get caught doing so, you can get in trouble. But that doesn't mean that the content of your conversation belongs to the company or can be used against you. I'm pretty sure those rules apply everywhere. | ||
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BreakeR.
Austria220 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
I see it this way: Twice has Coach Lee brought up this kind of drama and "considered legal action". Twice the opposing party have basically come out and said half of what he's saying is rubbish, and it wasn't that way at all. Two different teams, but Coach Lee each time. I would say the problem likely lies with Coach Lee. Wow. So instead of trying to find all the facts, you make a generalization based on two examples? What happened to common sense and rationality... | ||
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Aela
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
What exactly are the things that you think you did wrong? The talks about a double contract is an exaggeration. I am not under contract yet. Last Sunday, I received an offer from a hyung that works as a Fnatic translator that said that they wanted me. I said I wanted to talk to the Fnatic manager on Monday, and I talked about more details with the translator hyung. After that, Coach Lee said he wanted to talk to me. He had printed out my conversation with the Fnatic manager. That skype conversation was logged on my computer, and I’m curious as to how he got access to it. But still, I knew that I had fault in this so I acknowledged those parts and I asked for his understanding and apologized. THIS IS ALL NEEDED TO BE SAID LADIES. User was warned for this post | ||
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Shiori
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ZisforZerg
United States224 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:25 TheSilverfox wrote: Wow, Alive pretty much confirms the things he did wrong about this as well as Fnatic. The penalty fee is no small sum as well, it's 8760 USD. For many Korean SC2 player that is a lot of money to pay. That's a lot for anyone to pay, let alone an underpaid progamer. I assume Fnatic will pay it but who knows, this whole situation changes every 30 minutes. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On January 19 2012 02:41 Chill wrote: This seems like the smallest deal in the world. Someone wants to get out of their contract, which is fine as there is a pay-out clause. Someone else says they will hire that person after they're contract-free. They mistakenly announce they've signed him before the contract is in place. So the only mistake here was announcing they signed him before they had. Honestly, who cares? Alive will pay the buy-out fee and then sign with fnatic. People leave companies to join other ones all the time. They have signed offer letters before they quit their existing job. Chill, as always you bring rationality to the table. I said a similar thing in the other thread, people get head hunted or decide to leave and start interviewing while they are still under contract all the time. There is nothing wrong with talking to someone else about a job, nothing wrong with signing a letter of intent or job offer, you only breach your contract by signing another contract etc. | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:23 Aela wrote: omg spoiler in first question omg retards This was a post-GSL interview, so it's only appropriate they ask that first. I put a red spoiler tag at the top of the OP to warn those who are about to read the interview. | ||
Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:24 Shiori wrote: Alive is a nice guy, but I'm really getting sick of these foreign teams thinking that just because they have money they can somehow void contracts or pretend they don't exist. Alive was, as it seems, manipulated by promises from a company that knew full-well it was going to breach a contract. This is precisely why we need some sort of eSports governing body: so that these sorts of things can be centralized in one place, and so everyone knows who is contracted and for how long. Then, when a team like Fnatic starts doing this sort of thing, they can be reprimanded by said official organization. Talking to a contracted person isn't against a contract. Making plans for when your contract expires isn't against a contract. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:27 Chill wrote: Talking to a contracted person isn't against a contract. Making plans for when your contract expires isn't against a contract. According to this interview, his contract expires in July. As far as I can tell, Fnatic wasn't planning on waiting till July to sign Alive. They wanted him ASAP. The whole thing reeks of poor planning. They claim to not have known that Alive was contracted despite numerous explicit statements from Coach Lee that all of his players are on contract. Talking to plays who are contracted is, of course, not against the contract, but making verbal agreements to sign with them could constitute a verbal contract and therefore breach the original. | ||
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asambi
United Kingdom14 Posts
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:27 Chill wrote: Talking to a contracted person isn't against a contract. Making plans for when your contract expires isn't against a contract. It's just that Lee is a big crybaby and wants everyone to have a drama | ||
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